trex Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I've got 1 child that I left in Bravil for days. I went back, and she had no head, wrong body/race type, and I HAVE NO GREETING. All the children are like this. I messed around with mods, broke things, fixed them again, loaded up a backup oblivion folder, reloaded the problematic one but for some reason, I can't fix the problem 100%. I was able to load up an older save (before I left Bravil) and got the children looking fine. I tried to use the exact load order from this functional older save in the newer save (after my return from IC) but still messed up children everywhere. I also have missing redguard faces (floating teeth & eyes). I haven't a clue what the problem is, nor how to fix it. I could resume the old save, but I'm not sure if the problem won't show back up. I have about 135/243 mods active (is the peak 255 active mods?), use wyre & obmm, but don't use the bashed patch feature. Also use boss but move back things manually to get them to work (x117, some mods after Better Cities ect). I do have x117 3rd in my load list after BeautifulPeople 2ch ed, it fixed the problem in my older save, but this new save refused to work. Like I said, I tried the same load order as the functional older save, but the newer save isn't fixed. I don't know what else to do at this point, I tried a reset using the tamago settings but that didn't resolve it either. Any help would be greatly appreciated! :huh: Edit: Forgot to mention, I also use that weOCPS.dll OBSE plugin thing that makes alert noises when it (fixes/finds?) problems. I just loaded the old save. No alerts, functional children. Then I loaded the new save...Quite a few alerts and broken children. Is there a log file I can use to troubleshoot, is it any help at all? I did load Oblivifall and its relevant patches (losing my religion mod, alters chapels) and Kvatch Rebuild into the game in the newer save that's broken, then stripped them out to match load orders in the functional older save. I'm fairly certain I didn't touch x117,MBP or any other race/hair mod thing in the meantime.
EvenstarGW Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 As you probably already figured out, it's partly a load order problem. As soon as a kid is born, a new base NPC is created by copying one of the existing kids in the hiyokogenerator plugin. Then an instance of this new base NPC is spawned. All the info, including race, for this base NPC is saved in your savegame. The moment you change the load order of the plugin that adds the race of the child, this base NPC is pointing to a race that no longer exists, or at least not where it's looking. This is where it screws up, because you may be nowhere near the kid and not notice the problem until much later. However, the next time you save in this state, the race info seems to be erased or corrupted, because after that, even if you fix the load order, the kid will still be messed up. I think the only way to get rid of the kids is to use the cleanup command from Hiyokoclub (not Tamago, that only handles the wombs/sperm). That should get rid of them. To prevent it happening in the future (assuming all your kids races are from x117.esm) is to never add any mods above that master while you have kids in your game. For myself I can't add anything above my own Hiyokogenerator, because I was unaware of this problem as well and I added some of my own races directly to that plugin.
trex Posted January 5, 2012 Author Posted January 5, 2012 @Uriel: The child is my characters. Prophour, after you uninstalled city life, did you clean save your game? It makes sense what EvenstarGW has said. x117 was loaded somewhere when that child was spawned, and it was before I started using wyre/boss. I think as soon as I used it, and added in an .esm above x117 it must of messed up the order. Interestingly, I think if you move x117 up, it still works. I read up on some load orders Donkey has made for lovers mods and other commonly used mods with it, and placed x117 and a bunch of others in their suitable place manually. I then loaded up the working older save and the child was still fine. If what evenstar says is true about the bug being irreparable in the newer save, well that sucks but I'll keep the load order clean now by keeping x117 always 3rd in the load order. I've gone back to using the older save now as it seems pretty stable. On another bug I found. I use MCS (mad companion spells) to make the child a functional companion (loot hauler/enemy distraction) and she equips some of the loot. She equiped a looted chainmail cutlass some mod added clothes, and when I transferred looted breeches to her, she disappeared. The MCS book called her no name and she was in no name location. I then tried to use it to recall her back to my location but it CTD instead when I did that. It was an interesting bug but not as catastrophic as my original problem. Should I be concerned that this is a more serious problem or just something to be mindful of? Thanks for the replies! If there is any other ideas on if it is possible to retrieve the newer save, keep them coming!
trex Posted January 6, 2012 Author Posted January 6, 2012 Hmm, I deactivated CM Partners in my game, but you said the children were the spawn of missing parents? If you kill the parent its fine right? Just if it disappears from a load order thing. That's still odd though, do you run HiyokoGenetics? Maybe it's causing problems, why else would the regular tamago/hiyoko set-up want info from the parent after the child is born? Do you know what happens to a child after 200 days? I think they expire but does that mean they drop dead with a body to loot or do they simply vanish? The oldest child in my game is 86 days. I'm asking because I have the losing my religion mod and I'd like to use the burial service to preserve them post-death. Have you tried Companion Share Recruit with the Lovers Patch? No, but it looks fantastic! From what I see, you can use it with MCS, but you mentioned there is a lovers Patch? I haven't come across it yet.
Puraaj Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 i have a similar problem but only when the child is having sex with someone. only the head hands and feet show up lol but it works fine when she/he is clothed. i take it im missing some textures and or my load order is borked aswell. (everything else works fine tho..) oh and i used your AIO mod edit: apparently my child has a female head / body (also wearing a female one piece) but according to the text ingame (and the fact she/he actually put sperm in my inventory) it leads me to believe she is supposed to be a he... shit just got weirder xD
gregathit Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 i have a similar problem but only when the child is having sex with someone. only the head hands and feet show up lol but it works fine when she/he is clothed. i take it im missing some textures and or my load order is borked aswell. (everything else works fine tho..) oh and i used your AIO mod edit: apparently my child has a female head / body (also wearing a female one piece) but according to the text ingame (and the fact she/he actually put sperm in my inventory) it leads me to believe she is supposed to be a he... shit just got weirder xD Guys, unless you provide us with all the info we can only guess on how to help you. Please read this: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6133
Puraaj Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Oblivion.esm Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm x117race.esm Chanpon.esm Better Cities Resources.esm HiyokoClub.esm Lovers with PK.esm LoversCreature.esm UndiesUnderneath.esm TamagoClub.esm Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp DLCShiveringIsles.esp HTBFLYCollection.esp Mixed Maid Uniform.esp SMVtoyCross.esp VipCxj_HighHeels.esp Gabriella's Sexy Boutique.esp Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp HiyokoGenerator.esp HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp Lop-ears Elf.esp x117race.esp x117Race ENG Race.esp VToy.esp Lovers with PK.esp Lovers3dorgasm.esp Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp LoversBed.esp LoversBitch.esp LoversCreature.esp LoversDRader.esp LoversEncounter.esp LoversFSE.esp LoversHelpRapeVPlayer.esp LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp LoversJoburg.esp LoversLandEv2.esp LoversMagic.esp LoversMB2.esp LoversNecrophilia.esp LoversPayBandit.esp LoversPower.esp LoversProstitute.esp LoversRaperS.esp LoversRapeSlave.esp LoversSlaveTrader.esp LoversSoundCreature.esp LoversSpermSplashEx.esp LoversStopCombatEx.esp LoversSTVictims.esp LoversTamagoClub.esp LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp MaternityClothes.esp TamagoConfide.esp TamagoNews.esp Better Cities .esp Better Cities Full.esp Better Imperial City.esp Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp TamagoPlayerHUD.esp TamagoShop.esp TamagoTopic.esp LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp SMChorrol.esp LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp LoversAdultYield.esp SMChorrol - BC Patch.esp SMVtoyImperial.esp SetBody.esp Lovers with PK Extender.esp UU_Female_Undies.esp UU_Male_Undies.esp TamagoSetBody.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp didnt post my load order cause i know its radicly different from the ones on this forum. reason: the load orders ive seen on here do not work with me. massive conflicts (MBP i hate you so very very much) with this one, everything works(i think xD) except this child thing now which has me kinda stumped
gregathit Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Sorry but there is no way that load order can work. Examples: Lovers3dorgasm.esp - MUST be below LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp - MUST be below LoversMB2.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp - needs to be at the bottom. LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp - MUST be below LoversJoburg.esp And these are just a few examples of which you have many. Each of the files I state first is a dependent file and the second is what is called a master file. Masters must be above their dependents or they won't work. The reason that those load orders don't work is because you are not use wrye bash to merge and disable the MBP files together into a bashed patch. This is a requirement to get it to run properly. The link I posted previously has a working load order that does indeed work. Wrye bash can be found at the nexus and if you type wrye bash into the nexus search engine you can find a picture tutorial on how to use wrye to make a bashed patch. UU_Female_Undies.esp and UU_Male_Undies.esp - these may cause problems with lovers so keep an eye on them if your toons don't get naked when you have sex. NOTE: LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp and LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp are also two plugins that need to be merged into wrye bash and disabled. They are the ONLY two lovers plugins that go into your bashed patch. Disable all other lovers plugins (esm and esp) before building your bashed patch. The reason you don't include them is it can break their scripts. Just so you can see what a difference a bashed patch can make and what a load order looks like with MBP in the bashed patch here is my personal load order: Oblivion.esm Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm x117race.esm Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm Better Cities Resources.esm CURP_Controller.esm Toaster Says Share v3.esm Kaleah.esm Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esm Lovers with PK.esm LoversCreature.esm BreakUndies.esm HorseCombatMaster.esm Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0.esp DLCShiveringIsles.esp Better Cities .esp Idle Dialogue.esp Arena_Ring_V2.esp Living Economy.esp Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp Streamline 3.1.esp Map Marker Overhaul.esp Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp DLCHorseArmor.esp DLCMehrunesRazor.esp BSK Break Undies.esp superSP_fatigue_restore_ring.esp Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp KvatchAftermath.esp KnightlyArmory.esp Ivellon.esp TalosBridgeGateHouse.esp 300_KillTheDB.esp daedric BU.esp Hentai Mania.esp QQuix - Divine Elegance Showroom.esp (SFL) Makeover - White Stallion Lodge.esp TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp WSL_Redone.esp DLCBattlehornCastle.esp DLCFrostcrag.esp Knights.esp Origin of the Mages Guild.esp HoarfrostCastle.esp Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp ElsweyrAnequina.esp Walkabout.esp ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - OOO FCOM patch by Xtudo.esp FightersGuildContracts.esp Dremora Churl Addon.esp Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp P1DKeyChainSI Merged.esp Colourwheels Sexy Ayelid Shrine.esp Colourwheels Sexy Skyrim Outpost HGEC.esp Oblivion Gate Closer Spell V2.esp RestoreAllAttributesSpell.esp BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp zzEstrus.esp SetEssentialActors.esp SetBody.esp AinmhiRace.esp From2ch Lives.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp F2L_FaceChange.esp Ta22's 01Army.esp 117NPCs.esp From2ch Lives Boss.esp F2LHideRaces.esp F2LAddon_MSElves.esp FutaPriory.esp F2LMiqoteAddon.esp DKImperials.esp CompanionshipRing.esp KW-AlliesPlayNicer.esp Colourwheels Sexy Oblivion OverHaul.esp ZUAmberMadnessOverhaul.esp ZUSIO-Map MarkerOverhaul SI-patch.esp SMYB Female Only.esp BBBRoseoftheGuard.esp Better Cities Full.esp Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp Better Imperial City.esp Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp Better Cities - Knightly Armory.esp Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp Better Imperial City - OMG.esp Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp Alternative Start for Better Cities Fix.esp Real_Mannequin.esp Nitiren's Genji Armor2.esp LoversRapeSlave.esp LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp LoversRaperS.esp LoversJoburg.esp LoversSlavePlay.esp LoversBed.esp LoversClubCats.esp LoversProstitute.esp LoversFSE.esp LoversStupidNpc.esp LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp Lovers with PK.esp LoversStopKillRaper.esp LoversSetBody.esp LoversSetScale.esp LoversStopCombatEx.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp xeosp++.esp xeosp++ Vwalk.esp MadCompanionshipSpells.esp MCS extension.esp LoversMB2.esp LoversCreature.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp
Puraaj Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 i got wrye bash. i dont understand it, at all. and the wiki on wrye is, to say the least, confusing. hence i havent used it (out of fear of doing more harm then good) joburg seems to work fine ingame? no errors no nothing? but now that you mention it. i dont think ive seen much rape going on xD same for everything else you mentioned :/ am i supposed to get errors on this? or will it just not function? (which could explain why it *seems* to work)
gregathit Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Any errors you get would only be displayed in the console (you would have to bring it up to see if any were going off). What would happen as you say is things just won't work. Wrye bash pictorial guide: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230 Trust me this is WAY better than the wiki. Wrye doesn't permanently alter files so you can't do any damage.
Puraaj Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 an hour of mucking about later: so far everything seems in order! (i started a new game just in case the old savegame fucked stuff up...) i can already see races i did not have before!! its a safe bet you probably solved my problem (or atleast some of them!) thanks!
Puraaj Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 lol indeed, im sure ill run into load order problems still. but atleast for now, everything seems to be in order (mods i didnt know i had activated all of a sudden ) edit: case in point, i seem to have 2 hud things overlapping. the tamago hud phase, and something else (no idea what, as its from a mod that wasnt previously working) is there anyway to rearrange the hud or smthng?
gregathit Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Some huds can be moved but it would help to see a screen shot to figure out what the second hud is.
gregathit Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Ok, one is clearly the tamago hud displaying that you are pregnant. I can't make out what the one underneath is saying. Edit: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=330 In post 6 it tells you how to move your tamago hud around. This should fix you up.
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