Public Whore Jail Replacement

[DonQuiWho]

Thank you very much for this!  Much appreciated

 

Given the work you've already done on imprisonment, is there any way that you can add in/create a guard outcome where the player can be sent directly to jail without the guard asking 'by your leave' or giving you an option to pay your bounty instead?  That has to be amongst the most unrealistic medieval policing options ever!  You almost have to volunteer to go to jail, which is just daft. 

 

Hooks for direct imprisonment into Inte's POP and its arrest scenes/mechanism and/or Pama's Prison Alternative would also be great in that context, even if separate mods were needed.  

 

If that's not your thing. or a lot of additional work, don't worry about it and ignore this!

 

Thanks again for the mod!

 

DQW    

Edited June 18 by DonQuiWho

[MellowDrama]

8 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

Thank you very much for this!  Much appreciated

 

Given the work you've already done on imprisonment, is there any way that you can add in/create a guard outcome where the player can be sent directly to jail without the guard asking 'by your leave' or giving you an option to pay your bounty instead?  That has to be amongst the most unrealistic medieval policing options ever!  You almost have to volunteer to go to jail, which is just daft. 

 

Hooks for direct imprisonment into Inte's POP and its arrest scenes/mechanism and/or Pama's Prison Alternative would also be great in that context, even if separate mods were needed.  

 

If that's not your thing. or a lot of additional work, don't worry about it and ignore this!

 

Thanks again for the mod!

 

DQW    

true the only time i actually end up in jail is when i was headed to dragonsreach anyway 😛

 

 

also i got another idea or two for this that dont involve PW.

not sure how much you wanna mission creep.

[Dylano_123]

11 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

Thank you very much for this!  Much appreciated

 

Given the work you've already done on imprisonment, is there any way that you can add in/create a guard outcome where the player can be sent directly to jail without the guard asking 'by your leave' or giving you an option to pay your bounty instead?  That has to be amongst the most unrealistic medieval policing options ever!  You almost have to volunteer to go to jail, which is just daft. 

 

Hooks for direct imprisonment into Inte's POP and its arrest scenes/mechanism and/or Pama's Prison Alternative would also be great in that context, even if separate mods were needed.  

 

If that's not your thing. or a lot of additional work, don't worry about it and ignore this!

 

Thanks again for the mod!

 

DQW    

 

31 minutes ago, MellowDrama said:

true the only time i actually end up in jail is when i was headed to dragonsreach anyway 😛

 

 

also i got another idea or two for this that dont involve PW.

not sure how much you wanna mission creep.

 

I don't intend on changing the normal arrest pipeline. The intention of this mod is only to replace jail with PW, that's it. I don't want to change the whole dialog tree/flow, that would lead to a lot of headaches due to Creation Kit jank. And i'm not planning on adding any integrations with other mods.

I'm in the final stages of implementing a user adjustable chance and bounty threshold, and when i'm done with that i will most likely stop adding features for a while. I'll still check the thread for bug reports occasionally and try to provide bugfixes, but i'm not gonna take suggestions for new mods, or anything that strays too far from the original scope of this mod.

Edited June 19 by Dylano_123

[DonQuiWho]

3 hours ago, Dylano_123 said:

 

 

I don't intend on changing the normal arrest pipeline. The intention of this mod is only to replace jail with PW, that's it. I don't want to change the whole dialog tree/flow, that would lead to a lot of headaches due to Creation Kit jank. And i'm not planning on adding any integrations with other mods.

I'm in the final stages of implementing a user adjustable chance and bounty threshold, and when i'm done with that i will most likely stop adding features for a while. I'll still check the thread for bug reports occasionally and try to provide bugfixes, but i'm not gonna take suggestions for new mods, or anything that strays too far from the original scope of this mod.

 

That's fine.  I thought it might have been a bit of an ask, but if you don't ask ..... 🙂

 

But thanks very much for taking the trouble to write such a full response.  That's very much appreciated 

 

DQW

[thiccthighs03]

Once again thank you for this mod I have asked for something like this since 2023 ish for Public Whore.

One thing I would love to see is something you have already added under your possible versions list is the ability to set my own PW quotas. I tend to never have high enough of a bounty in order to actually have more than like 0/25 gold needed for PW to finish. I usually like to make it so that if I become Public Whore my quota is always around 20-35 ish needed clients. However with this mod I'm kinda limited to either getting a high bounty and then setting my cost to like 5 gold or 10 gold per use or stick to clients mode and when the guard gives me the choice of prison or PW its either pay 25 gold/go to jail or fuck 25 people. 

It just gets a bit messy when I'm trying to make PW settings to match how punishing I would like it to be over prison vs when I actually start PW via a quest. Could just be a skill issue on my part but some sort of option or setting for the quota to not just match your bounty but to always at least start at your minimum required clients/gold would be awesome. Like you said a version that would just start Public Whore like normal would solve this and could just be explained by the guard escorting you to the Thane so they can explain the Public Whore rules to you. 

Edited June 19 by thiccthighs03

[Dylano_123]

Version 1.2.0 has been uploaded, here's what changed:

• Added an MCM with 2 variables: "Public Whore Chance" and "Public Whore Bounty Threshold". These options only affect the "I submit. Take me to jail." dialogue outcome.
• Added an alternative script that you can choose in the FOMOD. This new version of the script starts PW in a way that makes PW use its own MCM settings for the quota and Enforced Mode.
• FOMOD now contains two choices to make: "Dialogue Options" and "Public Whore Start Options".

I recommend you to read the updated modpage description for further details.

 

6 hours ago, thiccthighs03 said:

Once again thank you for this mod I have asked for something like this since 2023 ish for Public Whore.

One thing I would love to see is something you have already added under your possible versions list is the ability to set my own PW quotas. I tend to never have high enough of a bounty in order to actually have more than like 0/25 gold needed for PW to finish. I usually like to make it so that if I become Public Whore my quota is always around 20-35 ish needed clients. However with this mod I'm kinda limited to either getting a high bounty and then setting my cost to like 5 gold or 10 gold per use or stick to clients mode and when the guard gives me the choice of prison or PW its either pay 25 gold/go to jail or fuck 25 people. 

It just gets a bit messy when I'm trying to make PW settings to match how punishing I would like it to be over prison vs when I actually start PW via a quest. Could just be a skill issue on my part but some sort of option or setting for the quota to not just match your bounty but to always at least start at your minimum required clients/gold would be awesome. Like you said a version that would just start Public Whore like normal would solve this and could just be explained by the guard escorting you to the Thane so they can explain the Public Whore rules to you. 

 

Version 1.2.0 gives you the option to let the Public Whore MCM settings decide your quota. This option does not consider your bounty at all and just gives you a quota between your minimum and maximum quota from the PW MCM.

[thiccthighs03]

12 hours ago, Dylano_123 said:

Version 1.2.0 has been uploaded, here's what changed:

• Added an MCM with 2 variables: "Public Whore Chance" and "Public Whore Bounty Threshold". These options only affect the "I submit. Take me to jail." dialogue outcome.
• Added an alternative script that you can choose in the FOMOD. This new version of the script starts PW in a way that makes PW use its own MCM settings for the quota and Enforced Mode.
• FOMOD now contains two choices to make: "Dialogue Options" and "Public Whore Start Options".

I recommend you to read the updated modpage description for further details.

 

 

Version 1.2.0 gives you the option to let the Public Whore MCM settings decide your quota. This option does not consider your bounty at all and just gives you a quota between your minimum and maximum quota from the PW MCM.

You are awesome thank you 

[Dylano_123]

Just to give a heads up, I added a screenshot of the new MCM which apparently counts as an update. I did not upload any new mod files since 1.2.0.

[Bushi Neko]

This is great!
Especially love how you got our set PW MCM to work into it now :)

[JohnSmith2000a]

This is a good mod.  

 

It might not work or you might not like it but if you do, here is an additional Idea:

 

 

PW Bounty Payment Replacement:

 

Story Idea:

 

The haughty rich lady who came back to town loaded with gold after clearing a couple of adventures and thinking that she can just kiss off a few murders by paying her bounty will indeed be kissing them off but in a far worse way than she expected. 

 

Why the Jarl would have their guards do this:

 

Crime is deterred by a severe and very public punishment and all the people see that rich or poor, they cannot always just buy their way out of trouble

The criminal's subjection before the law is quite literally exposed to the hold's people who help publicly use her and can thus never respect or fear her the same way again

The money that would have been gained by just accepting the bounty pay off is still earned and money was a key reason to have a PW

The PW still reduces tensions and improves morale in the hold as intended

 

Implementation:

 

Add a chance, settable in the MCM that the guards will not accept a fine or bounty payment and just make the player the PW to pay it off with her body.  If the chance does not come up then the player just pays the fine and has any stolen items removed as normal.

 

Depending upon how your mod and PW works the pay off amount might increase to more than the player has in cash forcing them to actually turn some tricks to pay the rest off.

 

If not, then the player is still stripped and put in chains and at least has to do a walk of shame through the town to reach the thane and pay off her bounty (now her public whore quota).  But now she is no longer as a respected but feared criminal with a price on her head who came in to clear her bounty but is a helpless whore turning in her earnings and begging to finally be let go.

 

Suggested Dialogue lines:

 

You thought it would be that easy?  Just hand over some coin and walk away?  Oh you WILL pay your bounty all right: by serving as the public whore.

 

How do we know you didn't steal that money?  Sorry but, you're going to earn your bounty money the hard way, as the public whore.

 

We let people off with a fine, they just do it again.   By the time you're through being our public whore, you'll never even steal a sweet roll again.