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MrWobblytickle

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Hey everyone smile.gif


 


I'm having some trouble with Oblivion crashing at seemingly random times and intervals and i'd like some help. 


 


My specs:


AMD FX8350 8 core running at 4.0 GHZ 


GTX 680 4GB GPU


12GB RAM 


500 GB hard drive


850W PSU


Windows 7 64-bit system.


 


I have the 4GB patch for the oblivion.exe enabled. I have streamline 3.1 running. I have OSR (Oblivion Stutter Remover) running. I tired weOCPS Crash prevention system but that however causes a crash when I attempt to sleep to level up using the Oblivion XP mod. I have done the DEP (Data Execution Prevention) thing to allow Oblivion to use as much memory as it needs. I have made a Bashed patch and used BOSS to sort my load order. I changed my ini setting to make better use of my CPU by changing the amount of cores and threads available. 8 cores and 64 threads. I feel I've tried everything humanly possible to stop these crashes and yet still they occur. It did say in Wyre Bash that some plugins may require cleaning with TES4Edit due to dirty edits and to my surprise all the dirty edits where done in official DLC! I average about 100 minutes before a crash. I've manged to play longer than that and less than that. I find playing the game from a fresh boot up of the computer gives me longer before a crash as playing any other games before Oblivion seems to cause a crash sooner. The crashes are totally random. I save manually often with no save over writing and auto save turned off. I'm also using the Steam GOTY Deluxe Edition.


 


Oblivion.esm

All Natural Base.esm

DaedricHelmFIX.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

All Natural.esp

All Natural - SI.esp

Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp

Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp

All Natural - Real Lights.esp

RAEVWD Cities.esp

RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp

RAEVWD Imperial City.esp

Streamline 3.1.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

Knights.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenleafEverglade.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

xulBravilBarrowfields.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

xulSnowdale.esp

xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp

xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp

xulJerallGlacier.esp

xulTheEasternPeaks.esp

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

Grass Overhaul.esp

Oblivion XP.esp

1em_Vilja.esp

CompanionMaster.esp

Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

ViljaOCO.esp

 

Any and all suggestions and help is very much appreciated! Thank you! 

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x9800

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Sadly, this kind of behavior is normal to Oblivion. You can only increase intervals without crashing (which you already did), but it seems impossible to eliminate them completely.

Maybe something simular to Sheson's skyrim memory fix will appear to Oblivion, but I seriously doubt it.

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MrWobblytickle

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Sadly, this kind of behavior is normal to Oblivion. You can only increase intervals without crashing (which you already did), but it seems impossible to eliminate them completely.

Maybe something simular to Sheson's skyrim memory fix will appear to Oblivion, but I seriously doubt it.

Wow thanks for the very quick response! It's at a point now where I totally agree with you. It does seem impossible to have no crashes. I remember it use to crash often when I first started playing it and now it still does. I'd like to be able to get a few hours out of it before a crash though.

Awesome thanks I'll look for memory fixing stuff and give it a go at least.

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x9800

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I think that 100 mins without crashing is actually impressive. The only thing that could help a little more is using only a low-res textures, but this is just way too ugly. XD

The reason is most likely the same as Skyrim's:

"When tesv.exe is started it allocates two 256MB blocks of memory. When the first block gets full, the engine will allocate more blocks. This can cause the known troubles. Thankfully, by telling the engine to request a bigger block from the start it magically makes use of it without any further ado. This isn't the case with the second block. Thankfully again, the second block does not fill up as quickly and once it is full the engine does not trip over itself when allocating more blocks." 

You can read more about it here: http://enbdev.com/ctdfix.html

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gregathit

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You might want to look at some alternates to RAEVWD that may be slightly less memory intensive.  Also make sure you don't have any overlaps with things like Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp and Grass Overhaul.esp.  Not saying they "do" overlap but that they might.  Not really a fan of the xul stuff.  Pretty as it may be it does account for hits to your system and those can add up.  You can gussy stuff up with Qarl's and a few other plugins and save the knocks to your system for other things.  Just my two cents.

 

Personally I use Qarl's texture packs along with OOO and I generally can play without any crashes at all (7 hours is the longest I have ever played at one sitting.  3-4 hours is my normal playtime and I don't crash during that).  The rare cases I do have a crash is when I am trying out new mods that I have not thoroughly checked out.  I run both OSR and Streamline.

 

Here is my LO:

 

 

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Toaster Says Share v3.esm
02  Kaleah.esm  [Version 1.0]
03  Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esm  [Version 1.0]
04  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]
06  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.2.3]
07  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
08  CURP_Controller.esm
09  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
0A  x117race.esm
0B  Lovers with PK.esm
0C  LoversCreature.esm
0D  BreakUndies.esm
0E  HorseCombatMaster.esm
0F  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.1.2]
10  Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0.esp  [Version 1.0]
11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
12  Idle Dialogue.esp
13  Arena_Ring_V2.esp
14  Living Economy.esp
15  Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp
16  Streamline 3.1.esp
17  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9]
18  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]
19  DLCHorseArmor.esp
1A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
1B  DLCSpellTomes.esp
1C  superSP_fatigue_restore_ring.esp
1D  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]
1E  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]
1F  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]
20  KvatchAftermath.esp
21  KnightlyArmory.esp
22  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]
23  TalosBridgeGateHouse.esp
24  300_KillTheDB.esp
25  Hentai Mania.esp
26  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp
27  Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp
28  Oblivion Gate Standard 1_2.esp
29  WSL_Redone.esp
2A  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
2B  DLCFrostcrag.esp
2C  Knights.esp
2D  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]
2E  HoarfrostCastle.esp
2F  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
30  ElsweyrAnequina.esp
31  Walkabout.esp
32  Rascals Rest Cave.esp
33  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
34  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - OOO FCOM patch by Xtudo.esp
35  FightersGuildContracts.esp
36  Dremora Churl Addon.esp
37  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]
38  P1DKeyChainSI Merged.esp
39  Colourwheels Sexy Ayelid Shrine.esp
3A  Colourwheels Sexy Skyrim Outpost HGEC.esp
3B  Oblivion Gate Closer Spell V2.esp
3C  RestoreAllAttributesSpell.esp
3D  BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp
3E  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
3F  zzEstrus.esp
40  SetEssentialActors.esp
41  SetBody.esp
42  AinmhiRace.esp
43  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
44  Real_Mannequin.esp
45  From2ch Lives.esp
46  F2L_FaceChange.esp
47  Ta22's 01Army.esp
48  117NPCs.esp
49  From2ch Lives Boss.esp
4A  F2LHideRaces.esp
4B  F2LAddon_MSElves.esp
4C  FutaPriory.esp
4D  F2LMiqoteAddon.esp
4E  DKImperials.esp
4F  CompanionshipRing.esp
50  KW-AlliesPlayNicer.esp
51  Colourwheels Sexy Oblivion OverHaul.esp
52  ZUAmberMadnessOverhaul.esp
53  ZUSIO-Map MarkerOverhaul SI-patch.esp
54  Set Body Expanded.esp  [Version 0.6]
55  SMYB Female Only.esp
56  Smarter Bandits.esp
57  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
58  LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
59  LoversRaperS.esp
5A  LoversJoburg.esp  [Version 117]
5B  LoversBed.esp
5C  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 96v4a]
5D  LoversBiko.esp
5E  LoversProstitute.esp  [Version 0.25a]
5F  LoversClubCats.esp
60  LoversClubCatsSx.esp
61  LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp
62  LoversStupidNpc.esp
63  LoversSlaveTrader.esp
64  LSTBravilUnderground.esp
65  LoversImmoralSisters.esp
66  LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp
67  Nitiren's Genji Armor2.esp
68  Ahtata Arquamer female got hair.esp
69  MadCompanionshipSpells.esp  [Version 2.5]
6A  MCS extension.esp
6B  zBUArmors.esp
6C  BreakArmor.esp  [Version 1.10.f]
6D  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0]
6E  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.2.3]
6F  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 5.2.1]
70  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
71  Alternative Start for Better Cities Fix.esp
72  Better Cities - Knightly Armory.esp  [Version 4.8.4]
73  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
74  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
75  xeosp++.esp
76  xeosp++ Vwalk.esp
77  LoversMB2.esp
78  LoversCreature.esp
79  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
7A  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
7B  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp
7C  Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp

 

 

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MrWobblytickle

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Thank you for the responses and what I have decided to do is no longer use Unique Landscapes anymore as I have seen them all now and they're nice but if they can lead to crashing then they have to go and instead of natural vegetation and grass overhaul i'll use Lush and Gaudy instead. RAEVWD can go as well. They all look nice but if it means I can actually play the game then they should go. 

 

I'm impressed by how long you can play because as stated above and I've read elsewhere that crashing is just what Oblivion does and nothing can stop it.

 

EDIT: Deactivated Unique landscapes through OBMM and now I can't even get to the Bethesda logo. Looks like it has to stay.

 

EDIT 2: Disabling your suggestions via Wyre Bash allows the game to load up. I'll say how it goes after some testing. Thanks again!

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Thank you for the responses and what I have decided to do is no longer use Unique Landscapes anymore as I have seen them all now and they're nice but if they can lead to crashing then they have to go and instead of natural vegetation and grass overhaul i'll use Lush and Gaudy instead. RAEVWD can go as well. They all look nice but if it means I can actually play the game then they should go. 

 

I'm impressed by how long you can play because as stated above and I've read elsewhere that crashing is just what Oblivion does and nothing can stop it.

 

EDIT: Deactivated Unique landscapes through OBMM and now I can't even get to the Bethesda logo. Looks like it has to stay.

 

EDIT 2: Disabling your suggestions via Wyre Bash allows the game to load up. I'll say how it goes after some testing. Thanks again!

 

As for your problem after deactivating Unique Landscapes, it may have been merged into your Bashed Patch(not 100% sure, as I don't personally use UL). Whenever you deactivate something that has been merged with Wyre, the Bashed Patch.esp freaks out a bit at the fact it is now missing a master, and will insta-CTD Oblivion. Check the masters, and re-merge the patch if that's the case, and it should be alright.

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My Oblivion is notorious for almost never crashing. for those interested, my current LO (I change it a lot)

 

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
02  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
03  Oblivion Sexualized Monsters.esm
04  SPTDiverseGuards-Resources.esm
05  Easy_Companion_Share.esm
06  asxcore.esm
07  SPTDiverseGuards-Core.esp
08  SPTDiverseGuards-Combined-Human.esp
**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
**  TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp
++  No Guard Leveling.esp
09  Absolutely_Sexy_MarketDistrict.esp
0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
0B  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
0C  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
0F  VanityCameraSmoother.esp
10  Reznod_Mannequin.esp
11  OSM-All Genders.esp
12  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]
13  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]
14  DLCHorseArmor.esp
15  DLCOrrery.esp
16  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  MaleBodyReplacerV5Beta.esp
++  ArenaEyeCandyArmor.esp
17  DarkIllusionArmor.esp
18  HGEC_Draconic_Armor.esp
19  Dread Knight Armor.esp
1A  Growlfs Hot Clothes.esp
1B  Kikai & Slof Clothing.esp
1C  Slof's Claws.esp
1D  Slof's Giger Armour.esp
1E  Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp
1F  NPR Knight Armor.esp
20  Sorceress_Armors.esp
21  ArynnsDrowQueen2.0.esp
22  EY_Queens Armory.esp
23  ExnemEC_Warrior01.esp
24  ExnemWarriorBikini.esp
25  Emerald armor for Exnem body.esp
26  CrimsonEyeCandy.esp
27  StockClothingArmorHGECnormalD.esp
28  SexyKunoichi.esp
29  Dark_Mistress.esp
2A  Slof's Horses Base.esp
2B  Slof's Extra Horses.esp
2C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
2D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
2E  BridFetishGirl.esp
2F  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
30  MolagBalTreasury.esp
31  Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp
32  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]
33  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
34  Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp
35  Fairies.esp
36  DLCFrostcrag.esp
37  Damarask.esp  [Version 1.02]
38  ImprovedSoulgems.esp  [Version 1.11]
39  Quest Award Leveling SI.esp
3A  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
3B  Nightmare.esp
3C  Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
3D  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.89]
3E  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]
++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]
++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]
++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]
3F  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]
++  Better Redguard v2.esp
40  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
41  DemonRace.esp  [Version 2.9.16]
42  Sonia.esp
43  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]
44  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]
45  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
46  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgHighElfSeamReducerFixEV.esp
**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
47  TreasuresOfTyrV10.esp
48  Wrye Morph, X6.esp  [Version 29]
49  Wrye Morph Keys.esp  [Version 24]
4A  Wrye Shivering.esp  [Version 08]
4B  Wrye Shivering Death.esp  [Version 05]
++  Wrye Morph Wearable.esp  [Version 19]
++  Nude Humanlike Spriggan.esp
4C  Water Nymphs.esp
4D  Slof's Errectionsv5.esp
4E  ElvenFantasy.esp
4F  MemBioSuit v1.1.esp
50  1Demons.esp
51  EY_KazaiPhantasm.esp
52  Xenomorphiav1.0.esp
53  sy_customs.esp
54  ANBValsharessArmors.esp
55  HGEC Black Templar Armor.esp
56  Eroticstatues.esp
57  Mizuki Ninja.esp
58  Tamrielic Artifacts.esp
59  MC_Staff_Pack.esp
5A  ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]
5B  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification Better Redguards.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]
++  bgBalancingEVOptionalBetterRedguards.esp
++  bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]
5C  bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp  [Version 9.0EV-D]
5D  JB Catsuit Variants.esp  [Version 1.5.]
5E  JB Catsuit Weapons.esp  [Version 1.5.]
5F  BB2Catsuits.esp
60  LadyDeath.esp
61  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.99]
62  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]
**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]
++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
++  bgIntegrationEV - Unique Clothes.esp  [Version 0.96]
63  DianoArmor2.esp
64  Slof's Bondage.esp
65  R18PN - Bs Bondage.esp
66  Diano.esp
67  Queensarmory.esp
68  EY_BM_Armory.esp
69  ShaiyaOutfit.esp
6A  IvyArmor_Full.esp
6B  AsharasSirensAndTritons.esp
++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]
6C  KF Chapel Shop.esp
6D  Kosai's Welkynd Armor.esp
6E  Latex.esp
6F  Slof's Heartbreaker.esp
70  Demon Hunter.esp
71  homura outfit HGEC.esp
72  The Dragon Princess.esp
73  BisBarbLthr.esp
74  GizBladeset01OB.esp
75  FemaleArmour1.esp
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
76  Blood Mage.esp
77  Gizmodian - Shards of Light.esp
78  Taarna.esp
79  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
7A  UChainBeast.esp
7B  zzEstrus.esp
7C  zzContainerTrap English.esp
7D  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
7E  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
7F  FemaleArmour2.esp
80  SPB E Kunoichi.esp
81  SArmor.esp
82  SPB Bakunyuu Sentai Busty Knights.esp
83  Godanner.esp
84  Lady Fantasy.esp
85  hh2hai.esp
86  E-armor.esp
87  cnc.esp
88  ZAZStocks.esp  [Version 0.4]
89  asxchainit.esp
8A  asxchains2.esp
8B  asxspanking.esp
8C  alllady.esp
8D  The Matriarch.esp
8E  Arshes_Nei.esp
8F  MetalThongArmour.esp
90  syitems2.esp
91  DLCfrostcragReborn.esp
92  BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
93  Temple District Repaired.esp
94  SMDR 005 Garbage Collection.esp
95  See You Sleep DLL.esp
96  OHeavenF.esp
97  asxgossip.esp
98  Black Heart.esp
99  AS Giger HGEC.esp


 

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Thanks for the further replies :) I completely removed all the ones suggested by gregathit and then re did the Bashed patch and Load order with BOSS and the game works just fine. I also installed Lush and Gaudy and that looks really nice and it gave me a much better FPS as well especially in the great forest. It also overwrote 268 files I think and so i'm guessing it got rid of a lot of UL stuff. I don't think I will use UL again in future. It is fantastic eye candy but by the looks of things it can be an issue. Thank you Reine for that information I will remember that in future and Symon that is an impressive amount of mods to run in sync with no crashes! Nice one!

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Most of those files won't affect your game anymore if their esps are deactivated/removed. An exception should be the assortment of VWD objects from the RAEVWD mod you were running. Those meshes with the suffix '_far'. The game still should use them even with their esp gone.

I only have two such mods installed, one for the cities and another one for SI. Still every Ayleid and fort ruin, large rock and cave entrance can be seen from afar as well, because I have lots of their respective _far meshes installed.

 

If you want to get rid of VWD objects to improve the framerate you could do a windows search through your mesh folder, scanning for files with '_far' in the file name. Then you could move them to a different folder, maybe in 'My Documents', instead of deleting them altogether. If the files' folder structure is being kept intact such a folder can serve as a safety backup in case you will ever want to restore your visible-when-distant experience.

 

After cleaning your install from such VWD objects you would also need to run a LOD generator like this one.

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Followed your instructions Poontank and that worked great so thanks for that :) I'm a bit of a graphics whore (if that's a term haha) and sometimes get carried away with loads of graphic enhancing mods which unfortunately do cost me the actual ability to play the game. Oblivion is one of my favourite games and the game play alone is enough so I will make do with that. About to install the Unofficial Oblivion Patch as when I look on UESP for info 99% of the time the bugs section has a side note Fixed by UOP. Hopefully this will help also.

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Personally I consider people 'graphics whores' who only go for the latest releases and look down on guys like us who still get kicks out of this "hopefully outdated" (according to such people) game.

 

Nothing wrong with having graphics-enhancing stuff installed.

The tedious and time-consuming process is to find a working combination, a compromise between playability and mere eye-candy.

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Personally I consider people 'graphics whores' who only go for the latest releases and look down on guys like us who still get kicks out of this "hopefully outdated" (according to such people) game.

 

Nothing wrong with having graphics-enhancing stuff installed.

The tedious and time-consuming process is to find a working combination, a compromise between playability and mere eye-candy.

Yeah that is true a lot of people only play the latest titles and really miss out by not looking back at some older games. Oblivion is one of my favourite games if not my favourite game and I don't care if people think it is outdated. I tried playing Skyrim but I could never really get into it like I do with Oblivion. 

 

Totally agree graphics enhancing mods can really enrich the game and that makes the PC version all the more fun.

Yeah compromise is the right word for it :) I got rid of quite a lot of mods now and my game has a vastly improved FPS and load times. Also I played for 80 minutes yesterday and 80 again today without a crash (both times I quit the game) and the general sense i'm getting is that it is much more stable now. I'll try and play at least 2 to 3 hours to see if I can play without a crash. I think I have struck a decent balance between playability and eye candy as I do stop sometimes just to look at the scenery as it looks that good.

 

Thanks for all your help and suggestions. Nice to find a forum where people actually reply and have knowledge of the technical side of things and decent suggestions. Cheers!

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