MrWobblytickle Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Hey everyone I'm having some trouble with Oblivion crashing at seemingly random times and intervals and i'd like some help. My specs: AMD FX8350 8 core running at 4.0 GHZ GTX 680 4GB GPU 12GB RAM 500 GB hard drive 850W PSU Windows 7 64-bit system. I have the 4GB patch for the oblivion.exe enabled. I have streamline 3.1 running. I have OSR (Oblivion Stutter Remover) running. I tired weOCPS Crash prevention system but that however causes a crash when I attempt to sleep to level up using the Oblivion XP mod. I have done the DEP (Data Execution Prevention) thing to allow Oblivion to use as much memory as it needs. I have made a Bashed patch and used BOSS to sort my load order. I changed my ini setting to make better use of my CPU by changing the amount of cores and threads available. 8 cores and 64 threads. I feel I've tried everything humanly possible to stop these crashes and yet still they occur. It did say in Wyre Bash that some plugins may require cleaning with TES4Edit due to dirty edits and to my surprise all the dirty edits where done in official DLC! I average about 100 minutes before a crash. I've manged to play longer than that and less than that. I find playing the game from a fresh boot up of the computer gives me longer before a crash as playing any other games before Oblivion seems to cause a crash sooner. The crashes are totally random. I save manually often with no save over writing and auto save turned off. I'm also using the Steam GOTY Deluxe Edition. Oblivion.esm All Natural Base.esm DaedricHelmFIX.esp DLCShiveringIsles.esp Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp All Natural.esp All Natural - SI.esp Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp All Natural - Real Lights.esp RAEVWD Cities.esp RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp RAEVWD Imperial City.esp Streamline 3.1.esp DLCHorseArmor.esp DLCOrrery.esp DLCVileLair.esp DLCMehrunesRazor.esp DLCSpellTomes.esp DLCThievesDen.esp DLCBattlehornCastle.esp DLCFrostcrag.esp Knights.esp xuldarkforest.esp xulStendarrValley.esp xulTheHeath.esp XulEntiusGorge.esp xulFallenleafEverglade.esp xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp xulChorrolHinterland.esp xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp xulBravilBarrowfields.esp xulLushWoodlands.esp xulAncientYews.esp xulAncientRedwoods.esp xulCloudtopMountains.esp xulArriusCreek.esp xulPatch_AY_AC.esp xulRollingHills_EV.esp xulPantherRiver.esp xulRiverEthe.esp xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp xulImperialIsle.esp xulBlackwoodForest.esp xulCheydinhalFalls.esp xulAspenWood.esp xulSkingradOutskirts.esp xulSnowdale.esp xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp xulJerallGlacier.esp xulTheEasternPeaks.esp Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp Grass Overhaul.esp Oblivion XP.esp 1em_Vilja.esp CompanionMaster.esp Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp ViljaOCO.esp Any and all suggestions and help is very much appreciated! Thank you!
x9800 Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Sadly, this kind of behavior is normal to Oblivion. You can only increase intervals without crashing (which you already did), but it seems impossible to eliminate them completely. Maybe something simular to Sheson's skyrim memory fix will appear to Oblivion, but I seriously doubt it.
MrWobblytickle Posted January 30, 2014 Author Posted January 30, 2014 Sadly, this kind of behavior is normal to Oblivion. You can only increase intervals without crashing (which you already did), but it seems impossible to eliminate them completely. Maybe something simular to Sheson's skyrim memory fix will appear to Oblivion, but I seriously doubt it. Wow thanks for the very quick response! It's at a point now where I totally agree with you. It does seem impossible to have no crashes. I remember it use to crash often when I first started playing it and now it still does. I'd like to be able to get a few hours out of it before a crash though. Awesome thanks I'll look for memory fixing stuff and give it a go at least.
MrWobblytickle Posted January 30, 2014 Author Posted January 30, 2014 I'm just wondering if there is any thing further I could do to give me longer before a crash or have I done all the available things to get as much out of the game as possible?
x9800 Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 I think that 100 mins without crashing is actually impressive. The only thing that could help a little more is using only a low-res textures, but this is just way too ugly. XD The reason is most likely the same as Skyrim's: "When tesv.exe is started it allocates two 256MB blocks of memory. When the first block gets full, the engine will allocate more blocks. This can cause the known troubles. Thankfully, by telling the engine to request a bigger block from the start it magically makes use of it without any further ado. This isn't the case with the second block. Thankfully again, the second block does not fill up as quickly and once it is full the engine does not trip over itself when allocating more blocks." You can read more about it here: http://enbdev.com/ctdfix.html
gregathit Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 You might want to look at some alternates to RAEVWD that may be slightly less memory intensive. Also make sure you don't have any overlaps with things like Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp and Grass Overhaul.esp. Not saying they "do" overlap but that they might. Not really a fan of the xul stuff. Pretty as it may be it does account for hits to your system and those can add up. You can gussy stuff up with Qarl's and a few other plugins and save the knocks to your system for other things. Just my two cents. Personally I use Qarl's texture packs along with OOO and I generally can play without any crashes at all (7 hours is the longest I have ever played at one sitting. 3-4 hours is my normal playtime and I don't crash during that). The rare cases I do have a crash is when I am trying out new mods that I have not thoroughly checked out. I run both OSR and Streamline. Here is my LO: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 Toaster Says Share v3.esm 02 Kaleah.esm [Version 1.0] 03 Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esm [Version 1.0] 04 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm 05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33] 06 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.2.3] 07 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm 08 CURP_Controller.esm 09 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 0A x117race.esm 0B Lovers with PK.esm 0C LoversCreature.esm 0D BreakUndies.esm 0E HorseCombatMaster.esm 0F RefScope.esp [Version 2.1.2] 10 Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0.esp [Version 1.0] 11 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 12 Idle Dialogue.esp 13 Arena_Ring_V2.esp 14 Living Economy.esp 15 Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp 16 Streamline 3.1.esp 17 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9] 18 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5] 19 DLCHorseArmor.esp 1A DLCMehrunesRazor.esp 1B DLCSpellTomes.esp 1C superSP_fatigue_restore_ring.esp 1D Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33] 1E OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp [Version 1.33] 1F OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp [Version 1.33] 20 KvatchAftermath.esp 21 KnightlyArmory.esp 22 Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8] 23 TalosBridgeGateHouse.esp 24 300_KillTheDB.esp 25 Hentai Mania.esp 26 TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp 27 Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp 28 Oblivion Gate Standard 1_2.esp 29 WSL_Redone.esp 2A DLCBattlehornCastle.esp 2B DLCFrostcrag.esp 2C Knights.esp 2D Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 7.3] 2E HoarfrostCastle.esp 2F Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp 30 ElsweyrAnequina.esp 31 Walkabout.esp 32 Rascals Rest Cave.esp 33 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp 34 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - OOO FCOM patch by Xtudo.esp 35 FightersGuildContracts.esp 36 Dremora Churl Addon.esp 37 Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp [Version 1.2] 38 P1DKeyChainSI Merged.esp 39 Colourwheels Sexy Ayelid Shrine.esp 3A Colourwheels Sexy Skyrim Outpost HGEC.esp 3B Oblivion Gate Closer Spell V2.esp 3C RestoreAllAttributesSpell.esp 3D BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp 3E Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp 3F zzEstrus.esp 40 SetEssentialActors.esp 41 SetBody.esp 42 AinmhiRace.esp 43 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp 44 Real_Mannequin.esp 45 From2ch Lives.esp 46 F2L_FaceChange.esp 47 Ta22's 01Army.esp 48 117NPCs.esp 49 From2ch Lives Boss.esp 4A F2LHideRaces.esp 4B F2LAddon_MSElves.esp 4C FutaPriory.esp 4D F2LMiqoteAddon.esp 4E DKImperials.esp 4F CompanionshipRing.esp 50 KW-AlliesPlayNicer.esp 51 Colourwheels Sexy Oblivion OverHaul.esp 52 ZUAmberMadnessOverhaul.esp 53 ZUSIO-Map MarkerOverhaul SI-patch.esp 54 Set Body Expanded.esp [Version 0.6] 55 SMYB Female Only.esp 56 Smarter Bandits.esp 57 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 58 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp 59 LoversRaperS.esp 5A LoversJoburg.esp [Version 117] 5B LoversBed.esp 5C Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96v4a] 5D LoversBiko.esp 5E LoversProstitute.esp [Version 0.25a] 5F LoversClubCats.esp 60 LoversClubCatsSx.esp 61 LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp 62 LoversStupidNpc.esp 63 LoversSlaveTrader.esp 64 LSTBravilUnderground.esp 65 LoversImmoralSisters.esp 66 LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp 67 Nitiren's Genji Armor2.esp 68 Ahtata Arquamer female got hair.esp 69 MadCompanionshipSpells.esp [Version 2.5] 6A MCS extension.esp 6B zBUArmors.esp 6C BreakArmor.esp [Version 1.10.f] 6D Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0] 6E Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.2.3] 6F Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 5.2.1] 70 Better Imperial City - OMG.esp [Version 4.7.0] 71 Alternative Start for Better Cities Fix.esp 72 Better Cities - Knightly Armory.esp [Version 4.8.4] 73 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0] 74 Bashed Patch, 0.esp 75 xeosp++.esp 76 xeosp++ Vwalk.esp 77 LoversMB2.esp 78 LoversCreature.esp 79 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp 7A LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp 7B DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp 7C Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp
MrWobblytickle Posted February 1, 2014 Author Posted February 1, 2014 Thank you for the responses and what I have decided to do is no longer use Unique Landscapes anymore as I have seen them all now and they're nice but if they can lead to crashing then they have to go and instead of natural vegetation and grass overhaul i'll use Lush and Gaudy instead. RAEVWD can go as well. They all look nice but if it means I can actually play the game then they should go. I'm impressed by how long you can play because as stated above and I've read elsewhere that crashing is just what Oblivion does and nothing can stop it. EDIT: Deactivated Unique landscapes through OBMM and now I can't even get to the Bethesda logo. Looks like it has to stay. EDIT 2: Disabling your suggestions via Wyre Bash allows the game to load up. I'll say how it goes after some testing. Thanks again!
Reine Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 Thank you for the responses and what I have decided to do is no longer use Unique Landscapes anymore as I have seen them all now and they're nice but if they can lead to crashing then they have to go and instead of natural vegetation and grass overhaul i'll use Lush and Gaudy instead. RAEVWD can go as well. They all look nice but if it means I can actually play the game then they should go. I'm impressed by how long you can play because as stated above and I've read elsewhere that crashing is just what Oblivion does and nothing can stop it. EDIT: Deactivated Unique landscapes through OBMM and now I can't even get to the Bethesda logo. Looks like it has to stay. EDIT 2: Disabling your suggestions via Wyre Bash allows the game to load up. I'll say how it goes after some testing. Thanks again! As for your problem after deactivating Unique Landscapes, it may have been merged into your Bashed Patch(not 100% sure, as I don't personally use UL). Whenever you deactivate something that has been merged with Wyre, the Bashed Patch.esp freaks out a bit at the fact it is now missing a master, and will insta-CTD Oblivion. Check the masters, and re-merge the patch if that's the case, and it should be alright.
Symon Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 My Oblivion is notorious for almost never crashing. for those interested, my current LO (I change it a lot) Active Mod Files: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72] 02 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm 03 Oblivion Sexualized Monsters.esm 04 SPTDiverseGuards-Resources.esm 05 Easy_Companion_Share.esm 06 asxcore.esm 07 SPTDiverseGuards-Core.esp 08 SPTDiverseGuards-Combined-Human.esp ** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp ** TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp ++ No Guard Leveling.esp 09 Absolutely_Sexy_MarketDistrict.esp 0A Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0] 0B UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] 0C Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp 0D DLCShiveringIsles.esp 0E Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0] 0F VanityCameraSmoother.esp 10 Reznod_Mannequin.esp 11 OSM-All Genders.esp 12 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.8] 13 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5] 14 DLCHorseArmor.esp 15 DLCOrrery.esp 16 DLCSpellTomes.esp ++ MaleBodyReplacerV5Beta.esp ++ ArenaEyeCandyArmor.esp 17 DarkIllusionArmor.esp 18 HGEC_Draconic_Armor.esp 19 Dread Knight Armor.esp 1A Growlfs Hot Clothes.esp 1B Kikai & Slof Clothing.esp 1C Slof's Claws.esp 1D Slof's Giger Armour.esp 1E Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp 1F NPR Knight Armor.esp 20 Sorceress_Armors.esp 21 ArynnsDrowQueen2.0.esp 22 EY_Queens Armory.esp 23 ExnemEC_Warrior01.esp 24 ExnemWarriorBikini.esp 25 Emerald armor for Exnem body.esp 26 CrimsonEyeCandy.esp 27 StockClothingArmorHGECnormalD.esp 28 SexyKunoichi.esp 29 Dark_Mistress.esp 2A Slof's Horses Base.esp 2B Slof's Extra Horses.esp 2C Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72] 2D Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] ++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44] 2E BridFetishGirl.esp 2F Kvatch Rebuilt.esp 30 MolagBalTreasury.esp 31 Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp 32 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.4] 33 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp 34 Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp 35 Fairies.esp 36 DLCFrostcrag.esp 37 Damarask.esp [Version 1.02] 38 ImprovedSoulgems.esp [Version 1.11] 39 Quest Award Leveling SI.esp 3A Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1] 3B Nightmare.esp 3C Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp 3D SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89] 3E SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86] ++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83] ++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84] ++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80] 3F SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80] ++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86] ++ Better Redguard v2.esp 40 _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp 41 DemonRace.esp [Version 2.9.16] 42 Sonia.esp 43 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52] 44 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D] 45 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV] ++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV] 46 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV] ++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV] ++ bgHighElfSeamReducerFixEV.esp ** bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV] 47 TreasuresOfTyrV10.esp 48 Wrye Morph, X6.esp [Version 29] 49 Wrye Morph Keys.esp [Version 24] 4A Wrye Shivering.esp [Version 08] 4B Wrye Shivering Death.esp [Version 05] ++ Wrye Morph Wearable.esp [Version 19] ++ Nude Humanlike Spriggan.esp 4C Water Nymphs.esp 4D Slof's Errectionsv5.esp 4E ElvenFantasy.esp 4F MemBioSuit v1.1.esp 50 1Demons.esp 51 EY_KazaiPhantasm.esp 52 Xenomorphiav1.0.esp 53 sy_customs.esp 54 ANBValsharessArmors.esp 55 HGEC Black Templar Armor.esp 56 Eroticstatues.esp 57 Mizuki Ninja.esp 58 Tamrielic Artifacts.esp 59 MC_Staff_Pack.esp 5A ExnemRuneskulls.esp ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp [Version 9.0EV-U] 5B bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification Better Redguards.esp [Version 10.0EV-D] ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalBetterRedguards.esp ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp [Version 10.0EV-D] 5C bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D] 5D JB Catsuit Variants.esp [Version 1.5.] 5E JB Catsuit Weapons.esp [Version 1.5.] 5F BB2Catsuits.esp 60 LadyDeath.esp 61 bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.99] 62 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D] ** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D] ++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV] ++ bgIntegrationEV - Unique Clothes.esp [Version 0.96] 63 DianoArmor2.esp 64 Slof's Bondage.esp 65 R18PN - Bs Bondage.esp 66 Diano.esp 67 Queensarmory.esp 68 EY_BM_Armory.esp 69 ShaiyaOutfit.esp 6A IvyArmor_Full.esp 6B AsharasSirensAndTritons.esp ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10] 6C KF Chapel Shop.esp 6D Kosai's Welkynd Armor.esp 6E Latex.esp 6F Slof's Heartbreaker.esp 70 Demon Hunter.esp 71 homura outfit HGEC.esp 72 The Dragon Princess.esp 73 BisBarbLthr.esp 74 GizBladeset01OB.esp 75 FemaleArmour1.esp ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53] 76 Blood Mage.esp 77 Gizmodian - Shards of Light.esp 78 Taarna.esp 79 Bashed Patch, 0.esp 7A UChainBeast.esp 7B zzEstrus.esp 7C zzContainerTrap English.esp 7D Display Stats.esp [Version 1.3.1] 7E Quest Log Manager.esp [Version 1.3.2] 7F FemaleArmour2.esp 80 SPB E Kunoichi.esp 81 SArmor.esp 82 SPB Bakunyuu Sentai Busty Knights.esp 83 Godanner.esp 84 Lady Fantasy.esp 85 hh2hai.esp 86 E-armor.esp 87 cnc.esp 88 ZAZStocks.esp [Version 0.4] 89 asxchainit.esp 8A asxchains2.esp 8B asxspanking.esp 8C alllady.esp 8D The Matriarch.esp 8E Arshes_Nei.esp 8F MetalThongArmour.esp 90 syitems2.esp 91 DLCfrostcragReborn.esp 92 BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp [Version 1.0.1] 93 Temple District Repaired.esp 94 SMDR 005 Garbage Collection.esp 95 See You Sleep DLL.esp 96 OHeavenF.esp 97 asxgossip.esp 98 Black Heart.esp 99 AS Giger HGEC.esp
MrWobblytickle Posted February 1, 2014 Author Posted February 1, 2014 Thanks for the further replies I completely removed all the ones suggested by gregathit and then re did the Bashed patch and Load order with BOSS and the game works just fine. I also installed Lush and Gaudy and that looks really nice and it gave me a much better FPS as well especially in the great forest. It also overwrote 268 files I think and so i'm guessing it got rid of a lot of UL stuff. I don't think I will use UL again in future. It is fantastic eye candy but by the looks of things it can be an issue. Thank you Reine for that information I will remember that in future and Symon that is an impressive amount of mods to run in sync with no crashes! Nice one!
MrWobblytickle Posted February 2, 2014 Author Posted February 2, 2014 Just had another crash after about 20 minutes of play. When I removed those mods I only switched off and removed the esp files. Would the texture and mesh files for those mods still have an effect and cause possible CTD's?
Poontank Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Most of those files won't affect your game anymore if their esps are deactivated/removed. An exception should be the assortment of VWD objects from the RAEVWD mod you were running. Those meshes with the suffix '_far'. The game still should use them even with their esp gone. I only have two such mods installed, one for the cities and another one for SI. Still every Ayleid and fort ruin, large rock and cave entrance can be seen from afar as well, because I have lots of their respective _far meshes installed. If you want to get rid of VWD objects to improve the framerate you could do a windows search through your mesh folder, scanning for files with '_far' in the file name. Then you could move them to a different folder, maybe in 'My Documents', instead of deleting them altogether. If the files' folder structure is being kept intact such a folder can serve as a safety backup in case you will ever want to restore your visible-when-distant experience. After cleaning your install from such VWD objects you would also need to run a LOD generator like this one.
kingkong Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 i think you might need to make your bashed patch 0.esp again as it might have included some of your problematic files.esp that you removed as Reine stated post n°8
MrWobblytickle Posted February 2, 2014 Author Posted February 2, 2014 Followed your instructions Poontank and that worked great so thanks for that I'm a bit of a graphics whore (if that's a term haha) and sometimes get carried away with loads of graphic enhancing mods which unfortunately do cost me the actual ability to play the game. Oblivion is one of my favourite games and the game play alone is enough so I will make do with that. About to install the Unofficial Oblivion Patch as when I look on UESP for info 99% of the time the bugs section has a side note Fixed by UOP. Hopefully this will help also.
MrWobblytickle Posted February 2, 2014 Author Posted February 2, 2014 i think you might need to make your bashed patch 0.esp again as it might have included some of your problematic files.esp that you removed. Hey thanks for the suggestion and I always make sure to redo my bashed patch and BOSS load order after each mod I install
Poontank Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 Personally I consider people 'graphics whores' who only go for the latest releases and look down on guys like us who still get kicks out of this "hopefully outdated" (according to such people) game. Nothing wrong with having graphics-enhancing stuff installed. The tedious and time-consuming process is to find a working combination, a compromise between playability and mere eye-candy.
MrWobblytickle Posted February 3, 2014 Author Posted February 3, 2014 Personally I consider people 'graphics whores' who only go for the latest releases and look down on guys like us who still get kicks out of this "hopefully outdated" (according to such people) game. Nothing wrong with having graphics-enhancing stuff installed. The tedious and time-consuming process is to find a working combination, a compromise between playability and mere eye-candy. Yeah that is true a lot of people only play the latest titles and really miss out by not looking back at some older games. Oblivion is one of my favourite games if not my favourite game and I don't care if people think it is outdated. I tried playing Skyrim but I could never really get into it like I do with Oblivion. Totally agree graphics enhancing mods can really enrich the game and that makes the PC version all the more fun. Yeah compromise is the right word for it I got rid of quite a lot of mods now and my game has a vastly improved FPS and load times. Also I played for 80 minutes yesterday and 80 again today without a crash (both times I quit the game) and the general sense i'm getting is that it is much more stable now. I'll try and play at least 2 to 3 hours to see if I can play without a crash. I think I have struck a decent balance between playability and eye candy as I do stop sometimes just to look at the scenery as it looks that good. Thanks for all your help and suggestions. Nice to find a forum where people actually reply and have knowledge of the technical side of things and decent suggestions. Cheers!
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