Vuulgar Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I was playing along earlier finishing the thieves guild quest line, just killed Mercer in fact and left after the water rose. I saved and exited the cave, killed a bear and a couple wolves and blink....ctd.....which has happened alot trying to load a character but almost never while playing. I tried a few more times with the same result. I finally fast travelled to Whiterun and now the game seems stable as far as ctd goes but there is a variable lag to selecting/talking to any npc. Objects show immediatly when cursored but people often take several button spams to activate. I am fairly new to modding but my past experience has been when something has been changed recently. I havent added or removed a mod in a couple weeks because the game had been running so well. All my other characters seem to be fine, its just this one save so far. Any suggestions for a beginner?
lordofthedread Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Sounds like script bloat, load order will help.
Vuulgar Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 Sounds like script bloat, load order will help. Sorry for the format, I am trying to figure this crap out as I go......including not seeing how to make a nice cindensed load list like everyone else and the dam spoiler box. Anyway this is what I have been running for a week and a half with no real issues. Update.esm Load Order: 01 Installer: Modified: 1/10/2014 4:29:54 PM Size: 1,304 KB Author: bnesmith CRC: 75967E61 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Load Order: 02 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 9:23:08 AM Size: 6,196 KB Author: Unofficial Patch Project Team CRC: 29D2C7DF Version: 2.0.0a Dawnguard.esm Load Order: 03 Installer: Modified: 1/10/2014 5:26:08 PM Size: 23,914 KB Author: bnesmith CRC: 3AF859F5 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Load Order: 04 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 9:23:22 AM Size: 733 KB Author: Unofficial Patch Project Team CRC: FF134167 Version: 2.0.0b HearthFires.esm Load Order: 05 Installer: Modified: 1/10/2014 5:26:42 PM Size: 3,378 KB Author: bnesmith CRC: 175CA5DD Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Load Order: 06 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 9:23:27 AM Size: 267 KB Author: Unofficial Patch Project Team CRC: F913F25E Version: 2.0.0 Dragonborn.esm Load Order: 07 Installer: Modified: 1/10/2014 5:34:42 PM Size: 62,563 KB Author: rsalvatore CRC: 5CB90338 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Load Order: 08 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 9:23:30 AM Size: 448 KB Author: Unofficial Patch Project Team CRC: DA46F3C8 Version: 2.0.0 ApachiiHair.esm Load Order: 09 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 7:59:26 PM Size: 55 KB Author: Apachii CRC: 783F7167 ApachiiHairFemales.esm Load Order: 0A Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 8:00:06 PM Size: 49 KB Author: Apachii CRC: 19C7CD80 ApachiiHairMales.esm Load Order: 0B Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 8:12:49 PM Size: 30 KB Author: Apachii CRC: 5A7E5A9B ClimatesOfTamriel.esm Load Order: 0C Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 3:22:10 PM Size: 1,302 KB Author: JJC71 CRC: 918881A7 hdtHighHeel.esm Load Order: 0D Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 8:35:17 PM Size: 1 KB Author: DEFAULT CRC: 95D50087 JSwords.esm Load Order: 0E Installer: Modified: 1/13/2014 3:40:48 PM Size: 55 KB Author: JaySuS CRC: E9413ABA Version: 1.4 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm Load Order: 0F Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 7:05:02 PM Size: 2 KB Author: Smurf and VectorPlexus CRC: 91BDE6AB SexLab.esm Load Order: 10 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 11:33:15 PM Size: 93 KB Author: Ashal CRC: 284001D5 Version: 1.35 SexLabAroused.esm Load Order: 11 Installer: Modified: 1/21/2014 11:37:36 AM Size: 9 KB Author: redneck2x CRC: C16130DC SPIKE.esm Load Order: 12 Installer: Modified: 1/13/2014 3:30:10 PM Size: 2 KB Author: Eck. CRC: 418D8B2F ZaZAnimationPack.esm Load Order: 13 Installer: Modified: 1/13/2014 7:29:47 AM Size: 159 KB Author: MasterCChris CRC: 17FA2A92 Devious Devices - Assets.esm Load Order: 14 Installer: Modified: 1/13/2014 7:33:12 AM Size: 26 KB Author: Zadil CRC: 5F4744F8 HighResTexturePack01.esp Load Order: 15 Installer: Modified: 1/10/2014 4:55:16 PM Size: 1 KB Author: DEFAULT CRC: D596F02A HighResTexturePack02.esp Load Order: 16 Installer: Modified: 1/10/2014 4:55:16 PM Size: 1 KB Author: DEFAULT CRC: D596F02A HighResTexturePack03.esp Load Order: 17 Installer: Modified: 1/10/2014 4:55:16 PM Size: 1 KB Author: DEFAULT CRC: D596F02A Brawl Bugs CE.esp Load Order: 18 Installer: Modified: 1/14/2014 9:57:33 AM Size: 1 KB Author: jonwd7 CRC: 0D284ACF ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp Load Order: 19 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 3:28:37 PM Size: 30 KB Author: JJC71 CRC: 75A1B6EA StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Load Order: 1A Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 3:05:15 PM Size: 2 KB Author: Brumbek CRC: 7985AB43 StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp Load Order: 1B Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 3:05:15 PM Size: 1 KB Author: Brumbek CRC: FBFBE09C StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp Load Order: 1C Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 3:05:15 PM Size: 1 KB Author: Brumbek CRC: FA28D596 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp Load Order: 1D Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 6:04:40 PM Size: 7 KB Author: Alek (mitchalek@yahoo.com) CRC: 4B399546 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Load Order: 1E Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 6:16:08 PM Size: 122 KB Author: Chesko CRC: 1537EE33 LoversComfort.esp Load Order: 1F Installer: Modified: 1/14/2014 6:38:06 PM Size: 45 KB Author: redneck2x CRC: D2DB3313 LoversVictim.esp Load Order: 20 Installer: Modified: 1/12/2014 12:11:05 AM Size: 7 KB Author: redneck2x CRC: E30F6147 Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp Load Order: 21 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 3:05:15 PM Size: 43 KB Author: DEFAULT CRC: EA004B82 SexLabNudeCreatures.esp Load Order: 22 Installer: Modified: 1/12/2014 12:01:43 AM Size: 17 KB Author: DEFAULT CRC: 53375C63 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Load Order: 23 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 3:05:15 PM Size: 13 KB Author: vurt CRC: 9462ED76 JSwords_Load_Screens.esp Load Order: 24 Installer: Modified: 1/13/2014 3:40:48 PM Size: 4 KB Author: Default CRC: 7DF21434 Version: 1.4 RaceMenu.esp Load Order: 25 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 8:04:03 PM Size: 1 KB Author: Expired6978 CRC: 2765B7D0 RaceMenuPlugin.esp Load Order: 26 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 8:04:03 PM Size: 1 KB Author: DEFAULT CRC: 8A8A009F RaceMenuOverlays.esp Load Order: 27 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 8:04:50 PM Size: 1 KB Author: DEFAULT CRC: 7C24FBC4 SkyUI.esp Load Order: 28 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 9:25:58 AM Size: 2 KB Author: SkyUI Team CRC: 9330CAF7 Dual Hand Combo Hotkeys.esp Load Order: 29 Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 6:34:17 PM Size: 7 KB Author: Alek (mitchalek@yahoo.com) CRC: B2174584 AnotherBlackThievesGuildArmor_v2.1.esp Load Order: 2A Installer: Modified: 1/19/2014 11:21:35 PM Size: 1 KB Author: DEFAULT CRC: BB8EA508 BlackSacramentArmor.esp Load Order: 2B Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 10:03:05 PM Size: 337 KB Author: AmethystDeceiver CRC: D43D432B BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp Load Order: 2C Installer: Modified: 1/11/2014 10:03:05 PM Size: 9 KB Author: AmethystDeceiver CRC: 99CE8E03 CraftableNightingaleArmor.esp Load Order: 2D Installer: Modified: 1/21/2014 11:21:15 PM Size: 2 KB Author: DEFAULT CRC: 45E0EC1E Daedric Extra Armor.esp Load Order: 2E Installer: Modified: 1/13/2014 3:35:16 PM Size: 1 KB Author: Unknown CRC: 08DDD039 Devious Devices - 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Vuulgar Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 Actually I have been having a very rare graphics bug, like 3 times during many hours of playing but I didnt think it was related to the one crashing save but it wont hurt to mention it also, screenshots attached, the blue planes were stationary, I could walk through them and on the other side they were the proper textures.
Vuulgar Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 Well after doing some looking around I have found this character is at a monsterous 161mb for a save with one of my other charactersabout half that and climbing. I have 5 alts that are oddly not far behind in play time and they are all less than 10. ClearInvalisRegistrations finds nothing and I have tried the Save Cleaner on nexus with no effect good or bad, it actually seemed to make the size of the next save jump by 20mb. Is there a way to see what mods affect which saves or better yet which mods I have are using scripts most? Here is the most current load order I have and in a bit better format
Vuulgar Posted January 24, 2014 Author Posted January 24, 2014 Not much response yet so I will add a bit more, I went back through my saves and found 2 saves with 5 minutes between them, the first was 6.93mb and the second was 77.4 mb.....what could have went wrong to cause that? I am also attaching the newest graphical glitch, they started as a flash but the last couple have been more constant if I face a certain direction EDIT. adding pics seems to be down for now
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