Problem with Devious gags expressions

[Lydiaisgreat]

Hello, I have a problem with devious gags. During sexlab animations, my character opens and closes her mouth according to the standard sexlab expressions even though she's wearing a gag. The same thing happens for gagged NPCs. Outside of sexlab animations, everything works fine. Mouth opens when a gag is equipped and stays open until the gag is removed.

 

Searching this forum, I found a couple of posts describing the same issue, but no sure fix. For some people the solution was to disable a mod that changes the PC's expression like Expressive Facial Animation or Smooth Expressions. I don't use those. Afaik, the only other mod I have that has anything to do with expressions is Expressive Facegen Morphs, but disabling that didn't help in my case. I also reinstalled sexlab, DD, mfgfix and started a new game, to no avail.

 

How should I go about finding the problem? I'm quite new to modding and I'm out of ideas.

[belegost]

Toggle off Auto Refresh Expressions in SexLab.

[Lydiaisgreat]

Doesn't help.

[chuckdm]

I have exactly the same problem as OP, albeit on entirely different versions.  Gag expression works fine normally and even during non-SexLab animations, for example when vibrating plugs/piercings go off, her mouth stays open with the gag in it.

 

I am on 1.6.1170 and using the latest DDNG and P+ so this issue appears to be at least somewhat version agnostic.

 

Also, I do not have any option anywhere in SexLab's MCM that says "Auto Refresh Expressions."  This option simply does not exist for me.  I am not sure if this is because P+ hides it or something else but it's just not there.  I have tried all four possible configurations for the two facial expression options that I do have:

• MFG Expressions on, Lip Sync on
• MFG Expressions on, Lip Sync off
• MFG Expressions off, Lip Sync on
• MFG Expressions off, Lip Sync off

Her mouth closes despite the gag in it during SexLab scenes (and ONLY during SexLab scenes) with all four possible options.

 

I have both MfgFix and MfgFixNG installed.  I do not have anything else that edits expressions in any way.  The only other mod I have that MIGHT be relevant is PPA, however I had this working with PPA a month ago (had to do a complete reinstall due to a drive failure) so unless PPA has broken this functionality in the last 30 days, that should not be the culprit.

 

And no, there's nothing related to mfg in any of my logs.

[traison]

As far as I know there's no framework mod for expressions and phonemees like there is for BS morphs (SLIF). Thus, you can only ever have one mod at any given time for any given phoneme or expression ID. To put that another way, you can have a mod that's playing expressions when your character is idle if that mod does not stop playing its expressions during a SL scene.

 

You can find all the mods applying phonemes and expressions by searching through all pex files in all mods for the expression and phoneme functions in the vanilla game, nioverride and whichever mfg fix mod you have installed. Also keep in mind that dll mods are getting more popular every single day, and some of them (namely PPA) tap into the phoneme and expression systems as well.

 

Edit: To clarify, dll's doing this you can't find without the source code.

Edited August 26 by traison