Leo77 Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 I've decided to return to Oblivion after over 2 years of abstinence and am starting with a brand new install. My oblivion skills have gotten quite rusty over the time so i humbly ask for your help in a few matters i'm facing right now. The big issue is combat freezes. I experience small freezes of 1-2 seconds at max at the start of combat and when another npc joins in the fray aswell as on the end of combat. I've come up with the theory that the freezes are caused by the voices, since no lag was encountered when i attacked a npc that didn't comment on the assault, but i'm not entirely sure of that because later testing showed that the total yelling of a mob of around 12 NPC's is killing my FPS with unseen effectivity. The above mentioned was all on a vanilla oblivion, so the possibility of mods interfering is out. I'd also like to ask if someone could point me to an up-to-date guide/modlist of some essentials like obse/boss and performance helping mods, i have a feeling that it's somewhere else than 2 years ago I'm currently limited to my notebook and most probably will be for a longer time, but i hope i can get oblivion running again since it was able to run a moderate amount of mods the last time i had oblivion fever It's an asus notebook running Win7 64-bit 8GB ram (upgraded from 4GB) Intel core 2 duo t6570 Nvidia GeForce GT 320M also mildly off-topic: Did anyone here manage to successfuly merge the heap of esps from Unique Landscapes to a more managable number? I would love some pointers on which esp are safely mergeable if any of them are. And lastly: I'm well aware that my english is far from perfect so feel free to point out anything i said that doesn't make sense, i'll try to put it in another, hopefully understandable way.
mem4ob4 Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 Still the best guide for performance tweaking in my mind-> TweakGuides Especially the 'Advanced' sections. 'The Quiet Feet MAX' mod on nexus can be useful and the Description has some interesting information on further tweaking. You're English is better than my native 'American english' Mem
varenne Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 I'll 2nd what mem4ob4 wrote; TweakGuides. Some quick starter suggestions 1. Run 4g patch on the Oblivion.exe. 2. Obivion Stutter Removal You'll need to then research how best to set up the ini for your particular PC. As an example ONLY, here is mine: sr_Oblivion_Stutter_Remover.ini (***EXAMPLE ONLY!!!) Master = {_comment = You can turn on or off each distinct feature from here.bManageFPS = 1bHookCriticalSections = 1bHookHashtables = 1bReplaceHeap = 1bLogToConsole = 0bFix64Hertz = 1bExtraProfiling = 0bFlushLog = 1iSchedulingResolution = 1bReplaceRandom = 1bExperimentalStuff = 0iMainHookPoint = 1}Experimental = {iReduceLongSleep = 0bRemoveShortSleep = 0iThreadsFixedToCPUs = 0bSuppressRandomSeeding = 0bMonitorBSShaderAccumulator = 0iPrintSceneGraphDepth = 0bReplaceRandomWrappers = 1bBenchmarkHeap = 0bAlternate64HertzFix = 0bAlternateHeapHooks = 0iHeapMainBlockAddress = 0}FPS_Management = {_comment = Basic FPS stuff, switches to slow-motion on low FPS; in the past this has occaisonally produced bugs like the NPCs-dropping-dead issue; the issues are believed to be fixed but if you suspect you are having related problems you can try disabling bAllowSlowMotion which is the main suspect for any problems relating to FPS managementbAllowSlowMotion = 1MaximumFPS = 50MinimumFPS = 10iSmoothFrames = 1iSmoothMode = 0iSleepExtra = 2iFPS_Frequency = 4000iSchedulingParanoia = 1iHardMaxFrametime = 200}CriticalSections = {_comment = CS stuff helps Oblivion, Fallout, and New Vegas significantly_comment = most of the benefit comes from the Renderer+0x180 suppression (see overrides below)_comment = modes: 1=vanilla, 2=fair, 3=staggering, 5=suppressed, 6=prioritize-main-thread, 7=deprioritize-main-threadbEnableProfiling = 0bEnableMessages = 1bUseOverrides = 1iDefaultMode = 2iDefaultSpin = 1200iStaggerLevel = 5}Heap = {_comment = Heap replacement can produce MAJOR improvements in performance on Oblivion at a significant cost in stability_comment = It crashes instantly on Fallout3, and would only produce a small performance improvement there anyway_comment = It is not supported at all on Fallout: New Vegas at this time_comment = Algorithms: 1=FastMM4, 2=Microsoft (slow on XP), 3=SimpleHeap1, 4=TBBMalloc, 5=ThreadHeap2, 6=ThreadHeap3, 8=tcmalloc_comment = Algorithms numbers 1, 4, and 8 require external DLL files in the Data/OBSE/Plugins/ComponentDLLs folderiHeapAlgorithm = 6bEnableProfiling = 0iHeapSize = 450bEnableMessages = 0iGenericFreeDelay = 0bZeroAllocations = 0}Hashtables = {_comment = The dynamic resizing option is buggy and not recommended. bAllowDynamicResizing = 0bUseOverrides = 1bEnableProfiling = 0bEnableMessages = 0bEnableExtraMessages = 0iHashtableResizeScale1 = 2iHashtableResizeScale2 = 4iHashtableResizeDelay = 20}OverrideList = {CriticalSection = { CallerAddress = 0x701748 comment = Renderer+0x180, recommendation=suppress (mode 5) Mode = 5}CriticalSection = { ObjectAddress = 0xB32B80 comment = MemoryHeap CS, recommendation=stagger (mode 3) Mode = 3 Spin = 1500}CriticalSection = { CallerAddress = 0x70172A comment = Renderer+0x80, recommendation= modes 2(for stability) or 5(for performance) Mode = 2}CriticalSection = { ObjectAddress = 0xB3FA00 comment = Unknown4, recommendation=stagger (mode 3) Mode = 3}CriticalSection = { ObjectAddress = 0xB33800 comment = BaseExtraList, recommendation=stagger (mode 3) Mode = 3}CriticalSection = { ObjectAddress = 0xB3F600 comment = recommendation=stagger (mode 3) Mode = 3}CriticalSection = { ObjectAddress = 0xB3FC00 comment = Mode = 2}CriticalSection = { ObjectAddress = 0xB39C00 comment = Mode = 2}Hashtable = { comment =caller 0x00418E16 SizeAddress = 0x00418DDB OldSize = 37 NewSize = 149}Hashtable = { comment =caller 0x0045a8a1 SizeAddress = 0x0045A866 OldSize = 5039 NewSize = 133123}Hashtable = { comment =caller 0x004A25BC SizeAddress = 0x004A2586 OldSize = 523 NewSize = 2711}Hashtable = { comment =multipart 1/2 - caller 0x004e614f SizeAddress = 0x004E610F OldSize = 37 NewSize = 47}Hashtable = { comment =multipart 2/2 - caller 0x004e614f SizeAddress = 0x004E612C OldSize = 37 NewSize = 47}Hashtable = { comment =caller 0x004E9014 SizeAddress = 0x004E8FD7 OldSize = 37 NewSize = 739}Hashtable = { comment =caller 0x004f0e20 SizeAddress = 0x004F1B44 OldSize = 37 NewSize = 127 WordBits = 8}Hashtable = { comment =caller 0x004f1d60 SizeAddress = 0x004F220A OldSize = 7001 NewSize = 7001}Hashtable = { comment =also caller 0x004f1d60 SizeAddress = 0x004F222E OldSize = 701 NewSize = 901}Hashtable = { comment =also caller 0x004f1d60 SizeAddress = 0x004F2B70 OldSize = 37 NewSize = 127 WordBits = 8}Hashtable = { comment =multipart 1/2 - caller 0x004F2ACB SizeAddress = 0x004F2A8B OldSize = 37 NewSize = 713}Hashtable = { comment =multipart 2/2 - caller 0x004F2ACB SizeAddress = 0x004F2AA8 OldSize = 37 NewSize = 713}Hashtable = { comment =multipart 1/2 - caller 0x004f2b3e SizeAddress = 0x004F2AEF OldSize = 37 NewSize = 1301}Hashtable = { comment =multipart 2/2 - caller 0x004f2b3e SizeAddress = 0x004F2B12 OldSize = 37 NewSize = 1301}Hashtable = { comment =caller 0x0067fbb0 SizeAddress = 0x006C5396 OldSize = 37 NewSize = 83}Hashtable = { comment =also caller 0x0067fbb0 SizeAddress = 0x0067FD35 OldSize = 191 NewSize = 3019}Hashtable = { comment =also caller 0x0067fbb0 SizeAddress = 0x0067FE5F OldSize = 191 NewSize = 2021}Hashtable = { comment =caller 0x006C56B0 SizeAddress = 0x006C5674 OldSize = 37 NewSize = 299}Hashtable = { comment =caller 0x00714788 SizeAddress = 0x00714752 OldSize = 59 NewSize = 239}Hashtable = { comment =many callers: 0x00769C3D, 0x00769CAD, 0x00769D03, 0x00769D53, 0x00769DA1 SizeAddress = 0x00769BEB OldSize = 37 NewSize = 297}Hashtable = { comment =multipart 1/2 - caller 0x009dbf36 SizeAddress = 0x009DBF03 OldSize = 131213 NewSize = 905671}Hashtable = { comment =multipart 2/2 - caller 0x009dbf36 SizeAddress = 0x00B06140 OldSize = 131213 NewSize = 905671}Hashtable = { comment =caller 0x009e2726 SizeAddress = 0x009E26F3 OldSize = 37 NewSize = 297}Hashtable = { comment =caller 0x00a10de6 SizeAddress = 0x00A10DB3 OldSize = 37 NewSize = 297}} I strongly suggest hard clamping to 50FPS, BUT you may need to start out even lower like 30 or 40, then gradually increase it. FRAPS really helps here as you can set it up to log your FPS while in-game for later analysis. Takes some of the guess work out of, "If I tweak this, what are my in-game results?" Other really important tweaks may be to your graphics card program. If your graphics card software provides the ability to create game 'profiles' consider creating one just for Oblivion. That is what I did, and through trial and error found my optimum settings for it and Oblivion.
Leo77 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Posted January 11, 2014 Thanks for the replies! I've spent some time tweaking oblivion.ini and OSR.ini which did result in better FPS, but sadly the combat stutter is still there. I've also looked on my graphics card software but none of the options present seemed like something i would want to change. I'm now thinking about streamline, but if i remember correctly, i did not see any improvement whatsoever with streamline last time, so that might not help me either mild off-topic: I remember that oblivion AI was stupid, but were they always running in circles when panicked? EDIT: Almost forgot! I did apply the 4GB patch on my oblivion.exe, but after reading through some topics about the patch i'm confused how to properly apply the patch, because one thread recommends patching the obse launcher and dlls too yet another warns to not patch anything else than the oblivion.exe.
varenne Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 4GB patch - I only patched oblivion.exe. Most areas I enjoy a solid 50 FPS, and my PC as well as some NPCs I've added to the game, can move very fast as well. I DLed streamline but never set it up since I was able to get a rock solid setup without it. I read some not so good reviews also contributed to that decision. Highly occupied areas do slow down, and that is due to Oblivion only making use of one core of any type of microprocessor. These are the limits we have to work within, sux but that's the reality of it. Tweaking my graphics card and Oblivion settings was my final focus and where I eventually gained quite a bit. Sometimes it's a choice between improved stability & performance vs in-game look and feel; eye candy.
Leo77 Posted January 13, 2014 Author Posted January 13, 2014 Seems like the combat stutter is here to stay. Meh. I'll just roll with it. thanks for the tips, i guess this is answered now
Poontank Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 You still can try this mod which specifically addresses the problem of combat FPS loss. This one seems to be (I never tried it myself) a kind of 'Streamline' clone only affecting combat while being inactive when you are not engaging enemies.
Leo77 Posted January 24, 2014 Author Posted January 24, 2014 Already tried that mod with no success, but thanks for the suggestion Poontank
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