A question about the COCO body

[Aki K]

If I install and start using the COCO body, will older CBBE outfits still work on the body (albeit without any of the new bones and such)? Or will it break all my older outfits?

 

I've noticed most modders who once made CBBE outfits now exclusively use the COCO CBBE body. I'm willing to make the switch as long as it doesn't break everything.

[Kastagir]

On 1/20/2025 at 7:32 AM, Aki K said:

If I install and start using the COCO body, will older CBBE outfits still work on the body (albeit without any of the new bones and such)? Or will it break all my older outfits?

 

I've noticed most modders who once made CBBE outfits now exclusively use the COCO CBBE body. I'm willing to make the switch as long as it doesn't break everything.

Using COCO body alone can't break other outfits.  As I understand it this mod only replaces the naked body, hands and feet.  Any outfit/armor that includes the torso (slot 32), hands (slot 33) or feet (slot 37) will include that body part, thus replacing the one used by COCO body mod.  The most likely outcome if mixing nude portions of COCO body with clothed portions from other mods is seams/gaps at the wrists and ankles.  If you equip gloves, boots and torso from any armor/outfit mod then nothing from the COCO body mod will be used while those things are equipped.

[Aki K]

Ok. Follow up question. Is it therefore possible to install the Coco body in such a way that it is only used for Coco outfits, while still using standard CBBE as the basic nude body?

 

Currently if I equip a COCO body, the breast bones are broken and it causes them to stick or not move right and warp. But CBBE outfits and nude body work fine.

 

I just want to get COCO outfits working, but I'm otherwise happy with the body I was already using.

[Kastagir]

19 hours ago, Aki K said:

Ok. Follow up question. Is it therefore possible to install the Coco body in such a way that it is only used for Coco outfits, while still using standard CBBE as the basic nude body?

 

Currently if I equip a COCO body, the breast bones are broken and it causes them to stick or not move right and warp. But CBBE outfits and nude body work fine.

 

I just want to get COCO outfits working, but I'm otherwise happy with the body I was already using.

Every COCO outfit includes the COCO body, so as long as you have the latest version of XPMSE for your game version (LE or SE) the nodes will be there and the outfit should work.  If you're only interested in COCO outfits there is no need for the COCO body mod itself.  It adds quite a few unnecessary functions in my opinion.  Additionally, if you're happy with the nude body you had before, there's no need for the COCO body mod.  Again, it doesn't install any outfits - just the nude body and a system for controlling physics.

 

Just to be clear, I'm referring to COCO v6. 

• COCO v2 was not a 3BBB body.  Outfits with COCO v2 bodyslide support will never support 3BBB just through their bodyslide files.
• COCO v3 changed the genitals mesh shape and the resulting UV was not compatible with any other texture than that provided in the COCO body mod. 
• COCO v4 attempted to unify the mesh into one shape (using the same base reference used by COCO v6 and 3BA) but deleted many commonly used sliders from its bodyslide files making it next to useless. 
• COCO v5 was the first to add 3BBB support and everything incorporated into a single mesh with some of the sliders restored.
• COCO v6 refined the mesh, added missing sliders and provided better physics configs but still had many issues with its UV and hdt-pe configs, but it is still the only 3BBB replacer that supports vanilla-UV (including UNP) and CBBE for LE or SE. 

If that doesn't answer your question you'll need to be more specific regarding which part of the body isn't working.  For breast physics you need the latest XPMSE skeleton for LE and you'll need to check which version of COCO body the outfit mod was made for.  If you are trying to use a newer (after mid-2021) COCO outfit mod and the breasts aren't working then you may not have a 3BBB-compatible skeleton installed.

Edited January 23, 2025 by Kastagir

[Aki K]

On 1/23/2025 at 12:01 AM, Kastagir said:

Every COCO outfit includes the COCO body, so as long as you have the latest version of XPMSE for your game version (LE or SE) the nodes will be there and the outfit should work.  If you're only interested in COCO outfits there is no need for the COCO body mod itself.  It adds quite a few unnecessary functions in my opinion.  Additionally, if you're happy with the nude body you had before, there's no need for the COCO body mod.  Again, it doesn't install any outfits - just the nude body and a system for controlling physics.

 

Just to be clear, I'm referring to COCO v6. 

• COCO v2 was not a 3BBB body.  Outfits with COCO v2 bodyslide support will never support 3BBB just through their bodyslide files.
• COCO v3 changed the genitals mesh shape and the resulting UV was not compatible with any other texture than that provided in the COCO body mod. 
• COCO v4 attempted to unify the mesh into one shape (using the same base reference used by COCO v6 and 3BA) but deleted many commonly used sliders from its bodyslide files making it next to useless. 
• COCO v5 was the first to add 3BBB support and everything incorporated into a single mesh with some of the sliders restored.
• COCO v6 refined the mesh, added missing sliders and provided better physics configs but still had many issues with its UV and hdt-pe configs, but it is still the only 3BBB replacer that supports vanilla-UV (including UNP) and CBBE for LE or SE. 

If that doesn't answer your question you'll need to be more specific regarding which part of the body isn't working.  For breast physics you need the latest XPMSE skeleton for LE and you'll need to check which version of COCO body the outfit mod was made for.  If you are trying to use a newer (after mid-2021) COCO outfit mod and the breasts aren't working then you may not have a 3BBB-compatible skeleton installed.

I have the latest XPMSE.  What I mean is that if I equip a coco body, it looks to work at first but breasts have no physics. If I crouth or enter a sex animation, the breasts stretch and hang in the air as if they're still in standing position.

[Kastagir]

Without more information I'd have to guess that you either have conflicting physics methods installed (e.g. COCO body installed with SMP and COCO-compatible outfit using PE) or (more likely) the COCO body mod hasn't been installed with correct priority, physics objects haven't been created in bodyslide and physics haven't been properly enabled through the mod's MCM.  https://coco2048.blogspot.com/2022/03/coco-3bbb-body-v69-3bbb-le-sse-ultimate.html 

 

Still haven't seen confirmation from you which version of COCObody you're using or which COCO-compatible outfit mod you're using to know if they're actually for the same body (i.e. 3BBB vs. non-3BBB).

[Aki K]

20 hours ago, Kastagir said:

Without more information I'd have to guess that you either have conflicting physics methods installed (e.g. COCO body installed with SMP and COCO-compatible outfit using PE) or (more likely) the COCO body mod hasn't been installed with correct priority, physics objects haven't been created in bodyslide and physics haven't been properly enabled through the mod's MCM.  https://coco2048.blogspot.com/2022/03/coco-3bbb-body-v69-3bbb-le-sse-ultimate.html 

 

Still haven't seen confirmation from you which version of COCObody you're using or which COCO-compatible outfit mod you're using to know if they're actually for the same body (i.e. 3BBB vs. non-3BBB).

I thought you just said I don't need to install the body itself, that it comes with the outfits?

 

I have SMP physics installed. The outfits, I believe, are also SMP based.

[Kastagir]

 

 

COCO HDT-SMP outfits may require the body mod because it is what enables HDT-SMP physics if the meshes in the outfit don't include references to the HDT-SMP .xml.  I don't use SMP for bodies so you'll have to look at the .nif files.

On 1/25/2025 at 7:11 AM, Aki K said:

I have the latest XPMSE.  What I mean is that if I equip a coco body, it looks to work at first but breasts have no physics. If I crouth or enter a sex animation, the breasts stretch and hang in the air as if they're still in standing position.

Typically the actor is stripped of the torso slot during SL animations.  If you don't have the COCO body mod installed, what body is being used?

 

I can't and won't make further effort to help unless you provide information:

• what outfit mod are you using and what version of COCO body is it for?  Link required.
• what parts of the outfit are equipped when you are observing parts of the body being stuck
• what .xml files are referenced by the outfit torso, your femalebody_1.nif or any other body .nif files that might include physics references (e.g. femalehead.nif).