Serenity_XXI Posted December 25, 2024 Posted December 25, 2024 (edited) When I select them in console I see that the Textures[...] section is completely missing during indoor sex (I use more informative console). So textures are not applied to them at all. When having sex with the same creature but outdoors (idk why that should make a difference?!), then everything works. Clicking on them in console shows the Textures[...] entry with the appropriate texture count. In creature framework, in both cases it's the same skin used "Draugr 0". Also when I use showinventory in console, I see the naked body as "Worn" (ID: 510012CD). If I unequip it via console during a sex scene (indoors) the Draugr/Skeleton become visible again (just with no junk). As soon as I equip it again (or it auto equips after a few seconds) they disappear again. The creature is still there, you can even see the glowing eyes. Just doesn't get textures during INDOOR sex scenes. Why would this happen? Anyone care to make a guess please?? Edited January 21, 2025 by Serenity_XXI
Tlam99 Posted December 25, 2024 Posted December 25, 2024 Very likely SPID On cell change applies the original again
Serenity_XXI Posted December 26, 2024 Author Posted December 26, 2024 On 12/25/2024 at 5:44 PM, Tlam99 said: Very likely SPID On cell change applies the original again I tried loading my save with SPID uninstalled, but there didn't seem to be any difference. What's more, I tried with a new game, with SPID installed/uninstalled, and everything worked fine with a new save regardless of SPID. Seems my current game was screwed up somehow?!
Tlam99 Posted December 27, 2024 Posted December 27, 2024 16 hours ago, Serenity_XXI said: screwed up I still assume SPID Default outfit changes and on levelup the leveled list will be messed up with the wrong outfit. Check when it first happens.
Serenity_XXI Posted December 27, 2024 Author Posted December 27, 2024 9 hours ago, Tlam99 said: I still assume SPID Default outfit changes and on levelup the leveled list will be messed up with the wrong outfit. Check when it first happens. Sorry, I'm just not sure what most of that means... would you mind elaborating a bit? 😅 Specifically, 1. To which "default outfit" are you referring? 2. What kind of "levelup" and for whom? 3. What's the "leveled list" ? 4. Check what exactly when it first happens? 5. What do you mean by "first happens" ? Thank you! 😄
Kastagir Posted January 4, 2025 Posted January 4, 2025 (edited) On 1/4/2025 at 10:17 AM, Serenity_XXI said: I guess not... !_! I can't speak to precisely what @Tlam99 believes to be the problem but I do understand enough about how SPID works and how "outfits" are changed by SL events through Creature Framework to offer some suggestions. When Creature Framework is installed, it establishes a "default outfit" ARMO (armor) record and an "aroused" mesh to use during SL events. These are defined in a .xml file. Depending on how SPID works and when it applies its effects it is conceivable it altered these outfit assignments (i.e. which mesh is applied to the creature under certain circumstances) through some SPID function. I would recommend that you try two things, but first you must take a preparatory step: FIrst, back up your latest save and the corresponding SKSE co-save. These files are in \users\<username>\Documents\Skyrim\Saves. The SKSE co-save has the same name as the .ess save but with a .skse file extension. Then: Delete the .skse co-save from your \Saves directory. Load the game and see if the problem persists. Note that deleting the SKSE co-save will remove all saved settings in SKSE plugins that aren't saved directly in .ini files. You likely won't know the effects of this until you delete the file which is why you made a backup. If the error is due to erroneous data saved by SPID or some other mod to your .skse co-save this will clear that error (until it happens again). Alternatively to deleting the .skse co-save you could try a tool like SKSE CLEANER to clean the co-save first but that tool is designed to remove leftover co-save data from inactive mods, so you will have to try deleting the co-save if that doesn't help. The game will just create a new one the next time you save. You can also try cleaning your .ess save in one of the tools made for this purpose. I use ReSaver but I'm on LE so I may not be the best person to recommend a save script cleaner for SE/AE games. If neither deleting the .skse co-save or cleaning the .ess save fixes the problem (assuming you tried both) then the error may be written to your .ess save and you would need to provide your full load order and then perhaps be guided through the process of cleaning your .ess save to attempt to find the problem. In that case I would expect some other mod to be the culprit which is why your load order would be necessary information. On 12/27/2024 at 1:43 AM, Tlam99 said: Check when it first happens. @Tlam99 likely means to check all your saves to determine the earliest one that is affected, providing a point in time when the error was introduced into your save data. You could then look to see if you installed any other mods prior to this that could be contributing to the issue. Edited January 5, 2025 by Kastagir
Serenity_XXI Posted January 5, 2025 Author Posted January 5, 2025 (edited) @Kastagir First and foremost, thank you so much for generously taking your time to write that detailed response to try and help me with my issue, I really appreciate it! @Tlam99 I understand you buddy, thank you for trying to help regardless 😅 I tried your suggestion regarding the deletion of the co-save, but to cut a long story short, it didn't help. TL;DR- Along with deleting the co-save I also made sure to uninstall SPID (for testing purposes). After loading my save, getting through a couple of complaints from mods about missing data, I proceeded to uninstall Creature Framework (CF) via its MCM. Then I reset SexLab, saved then reloaded the save, imported some creature animations via SL Anim Loader, then re-registered all mods in CF. Spawned a Draugr indoors to test the animation, and immediately after getting the schlong mesh it became invisible (creature's mesh still there with zero textures applied). So same as before. I've also tried using SKSE CLEANER, but without much luck either I'm afraid. 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SexLab-Parasites Patch.esp troublesofheroine.esp PAN_AIO_big.esp PAN_AIO (RSV Exclusion Patch).esp male npc overahul se.esp Troubles of Heroine 2.8.2 Voice Lines.esp Troubles of Heroine 2.8.2 Voice Lines0.esp Troubles of Heroine 2.8.2 Voice Lines1.esp troublesofheroineDG.esp troublesofheroineHF.esp Volkiharbor - All in One Replacer.esp Volkiharbor (RSV Exclusion Patch).esp Volkiharbor - Coldharbour MCO patch.esp troublesofheroineDB.esp SerketHetyt_AnimaNera_Serana.esp TOH_mannequin_penis.esp Anima Nera - Serana Overhaul (RSV Exclusion Patch).esp Lux - troubleofheroines Patch.esp SexLab Beastess.esp Beastess_Patch.esp Atlas Map Markers.esp Synthesis.esp But logically speaking, since making a new game with the *SAME* load order doesn't cause the issue to happen, wouldn't that suggest that the load order is not the cause? Edited January 5, 2025 by Serenity_XXI
Tlam99 Posted January 5, 2025 Posted January 5, 2025 (edited) What means same creature ? Moved outside via prid and moveto player or a new one with placeatme ? Some things what makes npc invisible wrong skeleton, item not enabled for this race, no nif. In your case, missing textures shown via console should make it purple.except the nif is not suited for this npc. Keyword, race change, wrong skeleton.... but why only outside. Spawned (placeatme) npc are different (mostly), to encounters. The placed use a clean base. Use prid, moveto player, to test outside. It must be the same npc to evalute the things. To give you an idea how dll's, ini's, etc complicate things. Lets say, you give an npc a outfit. This npc has a ID in a esp. Outfit given via new esp overwrite. So, overwrite ok, the old outfit has been overwriten by the new one, like hardcoded. Now a dll looks for this specific esp and checks for the npc id in this esp. It's there, well, give it a new outfit. This makes the overwrite done via the new esp obsolete, like a mnc mesh. In your setup are a couple of dll's what could do this plus a skeleton replacer. Check if this does not overwrite MNC stuff without a patch Edited January 5, 2025 by Tlam99
Kastagir Posted January 5, 2025 Posted January 5, 2025 (edited) 8 hours ago, Serenity_XXI said: But logically speaking, since making a new game with the *SAME* load order doesn't cause the issue to happen, wouldn't that suggest that the load order is not the cause? If a mod is causing this issue only under certain circumstances while interacting with another mod it will likely happen again when those conditions arise. Do you have the latest version of MNC installed? Which mod overwrites the draugr skeletons? MNC or ABC? When you re-registered CF, did you go to the CF page that includes draugr to see which mesh it is using? If not, do that and verify which mod it is using for the mesh (should be MNC). Also, is there an option to turn on verbose/debug feedback in CF? If so, you would see logging information either on the screen or in the console when CF swaps in the aroused mesh to see if there is any additional information (such as "mesh not found" or "couldn't parse ARMO record.") You can also browse to the \meshes\More Nasty Critters\ to look at the mesh and compare its shader information to the normal one stored in \meshes\actors\draugr. The only thought here being that one of your many lighting mods may be changing interior lighting in a way that isn't compatible with the aroused mesh's shader settings. Your load order doesn't list SKSE64 mods you have installed, but since you have so many mods I don't think that will be helpful. Remember that mods are made by amateurs and are not generally tested with other mods. The more mods you use, the higher the percentage of your game doing stuff like this. Did you review your saves to determine the earliest one affected? That may be helpful and worst case it may be the only option to salvage this game if you can't identify the cause. A screenshot of the affected mesh with informative console information would also be helpful. Maybe the mesh has a spell effect attached to it, in which case you could then use the effect's formID to identify the mod/plugin responsible. Edit: And what FormID are you using to "spawn" draugr for testing? Not all of them will be supported for SL events because they're not base forms but rather ones created temporarily by the game state. I would agree with @Tlam99 in that you should only test with existing, placed draugr. Or if you must place one with console commands, use ones that have only 5 digits in the FormID (with preceding zeroes), not the ones with FF or any non-zero digits at the start of the FormID. I was wrong before about how SPID saves its data. Apparently it's supposed to save SPID information in a temporary plugin that is deleted when you quit the game. It is not saved to your .ess or .skse save files and is regenerated each time you load the game. The question is whether or not you have a mod that is adding effects based on conditions temporarily set by SPID. It could also be something completely different, which is why more information would be helpful: What does informative console show for the affected mesh (provide screenshot - you may not know what to look for) What debug info is CF providing when mesh swap occurs and what mod is configured to be used for draugr in question What mod is determining skeleton used by aroused mesh (ABC/MNC/other) Edited January 5, 2025 by Kastagir 1
MadMansGun Posted January 5, 2025 Posted January 5, 2025 (edited) On 1/4/2025 at 10:50 AM, Kastagir said: These are defined in a .xml file *json, CF does not use xml (but however a bugged hdt xml can make meshes invisible) Edited January 5, 2025 by MadMansGun
Serenity_XXI Posted January 7, 2025 Author Posted January 7, 2025 On 1/6/2025 at 1:45 AM, MadMansGun said: *json, CF does not use xml (but however a bugged hdt xml can make meshes invisible) How can I find out if my hdt xml's are bugged?
Kastagir Posted January 7, 2025 Posted January 7, 2025 On 1/5/2025 at 3:45 PM, MadMansGun said: *json, CF does not use xml (but however a bugged hdt xml can make meshes invisible) Yes, .json, not .xml, my mistake. Both are used for configuration of mods. I don't see how a bugged physics xml can result in an actor mesh disappearing only in interiors. But this is SE and if HDT-SMP is being used just about anything is possible, but this is an issue that is not reproducible in a new game so I don't think a bugged physics config is the issue.
Tlam99 Posted January 8, 2025 Posted January 8, 2025 read this, also use the links in there to articles. (like invisible by hair selection racemenu) Read all posts. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/19310?tab=posts
Serenity_XXI Posted January 10, 2025 Author Posted January 10, 2025 Hey guys, sorry I haven't had time to reply and test all the great suggestions you provided, I do really appreciate your input. For now, I'll just go over a few quick points: - Regarding making sure it's the same creature each time, and not spawning in a different NPC when testing the problem. So yes, that's actually what I've been doing the entire time. I would select the NPC creature using the console (same as typing in prid and its ref.), then would use the command moveto player. - This issue seems to be affecting Drauger and any other creatures using the Drauger skeleton(?). For example, regular skeletons, ash men etc. - This issue also affects Giants. - This doesn't affect most other creatures. It's literally Drauger and Giants as far as I can tell. Dunno if that gives any clues. - Turning on Creature Framework's console/papyrus logging didn't seem to have shown any errors whatsoever regarding Drauger and missing textures or anything like that. Whether you start a scene inside and the textures are not being applied, or you start a scene outdoors and everything works as intended. All the debug output is the same. - More informative console didn't seem to have revealed any differences either in both scenarios. No difference in spells, active effects, keywords, nothing. Other than the fact there's no textures being applied to Drauger indoors. I'll try some of the other suggestions and ideas here and report back. Btw, completely disabling HDT physics made no difference either.
Serenity_XXI Posted January 10, 2025 Author Posted January 10, 2025 On 1/8/2025 at 5:29 AM, Tlam99 said: read this, also use the links in there to articles. (like invisible by hair selection racemenu) Read all posts. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/19310?tab=posts So I actually have this mod installed already, as I've encountered this issue in the past. This is where an NPC (or player) would fade out if the camera got too close. But this is really not the same as selecting an NPC via the console, and seeing the Textures[] part not even appearing at all. So in one instance the NPC has textures as normal and is being faded-out depending on camera proximity via this in-game effect. In my case, there's no textures to begin with, regardless of camera proximity, or camera type (free cam vs normal). Unless there's something there that I've missed?
Serenity_XXI Posted January 10, 2025 Author Posted January 10, 2025 (edited) On 1/7/2025 at 10:48 PM, Kastagir said: Yes, .json, not .xml, my mistake. Both are used for configuration of mods. I don't see how a bugged physics xml can result in an actor mesh disappearing only in interiors. But this is SE and if HDT-SMP is being used just about anything is possible, but this is an issue that is not reproducible in a new game so I don't think a bugged physics config is the issue. Just to correct you on a small detail. The MESH itself is still there. With collisions and everything. It just doesn't have textures applied to it. So not the same as missing textures, in which case it would result in being purple. You can select the mesh in console, you can do aura spell and it shows up. You can see the Drauger's glowing eyes right where they should be (and in some cases beard or weapon depending on the Drauger). Edited January 10, 2025 by Serenity_XXI
Tlam99 Posted January 10, 2025 Posted January 10, 2025 This means wrong skeleton Armor(Addon) does not include draughr skeleton Armor not added to npc's skin (field in npc) wrong race evt. Keyword something is overwriting
Tlam99 Posted January 10, 2025 Posted January 10, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Serenity_XXI said: there that I've missed? Yes the link to hdt fsmp, article which explains in detail why some hdt wigs make npc invisible. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/articles/3821 It is NOT a smp hair problem, all smp related can be affected. It happens only outside. Double equip seems to be a trigger. Still a good chance, SPID 🙂 bit later, think further. @Kastagir gave a hint already. what could cause the fsmp glitch happens only outside. Whats the difference. Light Your tons of lighting mods. Short, lights are tricky things, don't mess around too much. So you got a chain. Start simple. Check the overwrites. Then work trough the chain. Use the keywords I mentioned before. Xedit, resaver, extended console, are the recommented tools. Edited January 10, 2025 by Tlam99
Serenity_XXI Posted January 10, 2025 Author Posted January 10, 2025 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tlam99 said: Yes the link to hdt fsmp, article which explains in detail why some hdt wigs make npc invisible. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/articles/3821 It is NOT a smp hair problem, all smp related can be affected. It happens only outside. Double equip seems to be a trigger. Still a good chance, SPID 🙂 bit later, think further. @Kastagir gave a hint already. what could cause the fsmp glitch happens only outside. Whats the difference. Light Your tons of lighting mods. Short, lights are tricky things, don't mess around too much. So you got a chain. Start simple. Check the overwrites. Then work trough the chain. Use the keywords I mentioned before. Xedit, resaver, extended console, are the recommented tools. In my case the issue happens indoors... outside everything works correctly, I have said this from the beginning Edited January 10, 2025 by Serenity_XXI
Tlam99 Posted January 10, 2025 Posted January 10, 2025 This doesn't really matter, if the light triggers it. Because the light in your setup seems to be quite modified. It's anyway the last step for checking
Serenity_XXI Posted January 10, 2025 Author Posted January 10, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tlam99 said: This doesn't really matter, if the light triggers it. Because the light in your setup seems to be quite modified. It's anyway the last step for checking Okay I understand... 3 hours ago, Tlam99 said: @Kastagir gave a hint already. what could cause the fsmp glitch happens only outside. Whats the difference. Light Your tons of lighting mods. Short, lights are tricky things, don't mess around too much. So you got a chain. Start simple. Check the overwrites. Then work trough the chain. Use the keywords I mentioned before. Xedit, resaver, extended console, are the recommented tools. Which overwrites am I checking? Things that overwrite records of Draugr in MoreNastyCritters.esp? Because this I already checked and didn't find any issues... 3 hours ago, Tlam99 said: This means wrong skeleton Armor(Addon) does not include draughr skeleton Armor not added to npc's skin (field in npc) wrong race evt. Keyword something is overwriting As far as I can see all these things are correct. Skeleton, Armor Addon, all point to correct file paths, and files are verified to be there. Race is correct. Correct keyword is added by MNC. Edited January 10, 2025 by Serenity_XXI
Tlam99 Posted January 10, 2025 Posted January 10, 2025 extened console, compare all armor/ArmorAddon ID's, if there is a difference. Stuff in luggage (the unequipped things. Must be the same ID draughr. open console and use the ref ID. Move outside and prid ID. Opene console and check ID's again (you outside, the ID is stored) moveto player open console, compare everything again. If this all is fine, then we can go to the next step.
Serenity_XXI Posted January 11, 2025 Author Posted January 11, 2025 13 hours ago, Tlam99 said: extened console, compare all armor/ArmorAddon ID's, if there is a difference. Stuff in luggage (the unequipped things. Must be the same ID draughr. open console and use the ref ID. Move outside and prid ID. Opene console and check ID's again (you outside, the ID is stored) moveto player open console, compare everything again. If this all is fine, then we can go to the next step. Yeah, that's pretty much what I already did... but I'll go over it again in case I missed something
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