Practical Defeat: (Re)Animated

[sierrra]

Hi! Been messing around a little with this. Getting an error that pyramid utils is out of date? But looks like author has scrubbed it from the web? Never heard of the mod before

 

Also fyi the linked amputator mod is not SE compatible and will result in t-posing

 

And what is going on with he downloads for bad endings/creature comforts/etc? Did the guy literally save the web page and think that's good? 🤣

Edited December 2, 2024 by sierrra

[no_way]

On 11/25/2024 at 3:46 AM, krzp said:

No idea - it works for me, just tried it.

PD: (Info) Player attempting to surrender
PD: (Info) Surrender was successful
PD: (Info) Starting up defeat player victim rank = 0
PD: (Info) Suspending DHLP
[Helpless]: Suspending scenes, called from: [PD_DefeatHandler <PD_DefeatHandler (FE0BB800)>], ()
PD: (Info) Adding to faction, rank: 2
PD: (Info) Selected[Actor < (0001EBF6)>]as our actor
PD: (Info) Animation started, faction rank: 2
PD: (Info) Animation ended, rank removed: -2
PD: (Info) Starting robbery

It checks for a few things during a surrender keypress - no open menus, sheathed weapons, for the main defeat not running and being in combat.

So I'd suggest for you to try and check your logs, it should state the reason why it fails there.

Where do I find the logs?  It always says failed with creatures, gonna try humanoids

 

[krzp]

3 hours ago, no_way said:

It always says failed with creatures, gonna try humanoids

 

Mod description:

comprehensive, modular, and extensible human enemy-player defeat system for Acheron

<...>

To reiterate, this mod only adds a system for player defeat at the hands of humanoid enemies e.g. Nords, Khajits, etc.

 

 

3 hours ago, no_way said:

Where do I find the logs?

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/articles/368

 

If you're using MO2, enable it in profile ini's - Tools - Plugins - Ini editor.

Then you can check the papyrus logs.

 

7 hours ago, sierrra said:

But looks like author has scrubbed it from the web? Never heard of the mod before

Mod description:

Scrab's Papyrus Extender (v 2.0.0 or higher - this will act as a full replacement for PyramidUtils)

[krzp]

7 hours ago, sierrra said:

Did the guy literally save the web page and think that's good? 🤣

Have you tried, I don't know, clicking the download button in there?

 

 

 

[krzp]

On 11/24/2024 at 2:16 PM, Malkone said:

Great mod so far, been having fun with it!

Do you have any recommendations for a camera mod?  I can't see the initial capture animations like you have in the gif's on the front page, the camera is locked to me just seeing the back of the captor.

Thanks!

 

I'm using

• Smooth Cam
• No Furniture Camera
• True directional movement

guess it might be due to this combo? 🙂

[sierrra]

14 hours ago, krzp said:

Thanks!

 

I'm using

• Smooth Cam
• No Furniture Camera
• True directional movement

guess it might be due to this combo? 🙂

 

Same for me unfortunately (camera locked during struggle), and I have those same mods 😉 

 

Another quirk I discovered- with Scrabs PE installed/enabled, PC gets tied up but nothing happens after that. With Scrab's PE removed, I get a pop-up error about PyramidUtils not found, but then actually works

 

Thanks for your work on this mod! 

Edited December 3, 2024 by sierrra

[krzp]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:26 AM, sierrra said:

Yes, within those .7z are just saved html files of the mod pages. Clicking download does nothing when opening them

If you are downloading the file that clearly says Page in the title:

 

then don't be surprised that it gives you a mod page and not the mod itself.

I was telling you to click the download button and download the actual mod from there.

 

Though, I don't know how well they work, since I've never used any of the add-ons.

 

On 12/3/2024 at 12:13 PM, sierrra said:

Another quirk I discovered- with Scrabs PE installed/enabled, PC gets tied up but nothing happens after that. With Scrab's PE removed, I get a pop-up error about PyramidUtils not found, but then actually works

Works for me and multiple other people with SPE 2.x (I use 2.1.3, the latest at the moment) - I suggest to troubleshoot your load order.

 

On 12/3/2024 at 12:13 PM, sierrra said:

Thanks for your work on this mod! 

Thanks. 👍

 

[Guest]

Hi, bro! I have made voicepack for this mod - https://disk.yandex.ru/d/dC3jHbswnGSgYA

[firebinder]

I've come across a serious bug. Not game-breaking, but really annoying.

 

My character got defeated by a bandit, who robbed her of all her stuff, and then she was enslaved vis SD+.  Her bandit owner was subsequently killed by some necromancers, but she managed to hide from them until they left. Then she was able to recover her stuff from her now dead owner's body. That much worked as expected - BUT her recovered stolen items had lost any improvements that they had before being stolen. So for example her "legendary sword of frost" had become just a plain sword, neither tempered nor enchanted. This was true for all of her improved items, both vanilla and mod added, both things enchanted when she found them as well as things she enchanted herself.

[yaya94]

Hello, is there a VR support ? 

 

[WE new high v]

hi, krzp. Glad to play this great mod.
i found the MCM menu has some config for DDE(Devious Devices Equip) in restrain item, but the introduction for this mod havn't infomation about DDE. Thus i wonder whether this mod support DDE or not? I like both PD and DDE very much.

[Mydisplayname132]

On 12/4/2024 at 4:04 PM, krzp said:

If you are downloading the file that clearly says Page in the title:

 

then don't be surprised that it gives you a mod page and not the mod itself.

I was telling you to click the download button and download the actual mod from there.

 

Though, I don't know how well they work, since I've never used any of the add-ons.

 

Works for me and multiple other people with SPE 2.x (I use 2.1.3, the latest at the moment) - I suggest to troubleshoot your load order.

 

Thanks. 👍

 

The file dump has a discord link where they have all the files

[no_way]

is there a way to command defeated enemies?

[IcicleInn]

9 hours ago, no_way said:

is there a way to command defeated enemies?

Practical Defeat is a plugin focused on player being defeated and its consequences.  If you want a plugin that makes use of Acheron's capturing of defeated enemies you're looking for something like: 

 

[BiggieG123]

On 12/2/2024 at 10:36 PM, krzp said:

Mod description:

comprehensive, modular, and extensible human enemy-player defeat system for Acheron

<...>

To reiterate, this mod only adds a system for player defeat at the hands of humanoid enemies e.g. Nords, Khajits, etc.

 

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/articles/368

 

If you're using MO2, enable it in profile ini's - Tools - Plugins - Ini editor.

Then you can check the papyrus logs.

 

Mod description:

Scrab's Papyrus Extender (v 2.0.0 or higher - this will act as a full replacement for PyramidUtils)

This mod is smooth and works great. I was under the impression like the other guy that creature defeats work since there's an option for it in the MCM.

Edited December 21, 2024 by BiggieG123

[Lady Wintrish]

Is scrab's papyrus extender compatible with 16640 version of the game?

I've already asked on the Nexus comment section but nobody answered.

[axel9fr]

Hi ! Practical Defeat have its own menu option in McM ? I ask that because I only see Acheron menu option but not Pactical Defeat...

[petterparker]

5 hours ago, axel9fr said:

Hi ! Practical Defeat have its own menu option in McM ? I ask that because I only see Acheron menu option but not Pactical Defeat...

Yes, it has MCM

[Emerald982]

I have to say this as this frustrates me so much.

Why on earth is it so impossible to make a Defeat system that covers all types of enemies, that then also actually works with follower handling. SL Defeat can't do the later. This one can't do the first. YK doesn't work with custom followers either.

 

I understand if you don't want that type of creature content, but at least then add options to deal with creatures. Or teach the guys over at SL Defeat how to deal with custom followers. Because I can't, for the life of me, find a defeat system that unifies this. And I am so sick and tired of having to frankenstein them kinda together. It is not even about the whole adult content for me, just to have one mod that covers all these options if you want them or not. Naked Defeat btw can't teleport players/followers away either.

[krzp]

5 minutes ago, Emerald982 said:

I understand if you don't want that type of creature content, but at least then add options to deal with creatures. Or teach the guys over at SL Defeat how to deal with custom followers. Because I can't, for the life of me, find a defeat system that unifies this. And I am so sick and tired of having to frankenstein them kinda together.

Entitled much?

[Emerald982]

9 hours ago, krzp said:

Entitled much?

 

Or, you could simply explain, why this system doesn't cover creatures. Because it makes no sense whatsoever. I understand that you don't want to support all the creature adult stuff, fine, but at least, let the system handle them, so the events work with creatures as well. In a setting, where you have undead creatures, it makes no sense, that this system ignores ALL the crypts in handling defeat, when the player has to confront these creatures all the time.

Edited December 29, 2024 by Emerald982

[krzp]

11 minutes ago, Emerald982 said:

Or, you could simply explain, why this system doesn't cover creatures. Because it makes no sense whatsoever. I understand that you don't want to support all the creature adult stuff, fine, but at least, let the system handle them, so the events work with creatures as well.

No, I shall do no such thing.

 

... how about you go and make your own mod with whatever you want in there, instead of coming here and telling me exactly how should I spend my free time?

 

Do I, like, work for you? Have we entered some legal binding agreement that compels me to explain anything?

You do realize you're downloading free stuff from the internet with zero obligations attached to it?

 

Geez.

[Emerald982]

2 hours ago, krzp said:

No, I shall do no such thing.

 

... how about you go and make your own mod with whatever you want in there, instead of coming here and telling me exactly how should I spend my free time?

 

Do I, like, work for you? Have we entered some legal binding agreement that compels me to explain anything?

You do realize you're downloading free stuff from the internet with zero obligations attached to it?

 

Geez.

 

I really don't know what your problem is. I do not expect you to do anything. I want to understand why it isn't done, and only because the situation is frustrating. I am a modder myself, I know how hard it is and how much time it consumes. But because we have so many defeat mods, I want to understand, why NONE is combining all of these features, when it is apparently possible to do them in the first place.

 

Btw; If any of you has the situation where PD doesn't fire at all, it might be because of Yamete Kudasai, which is another Acheron Defeat Mod. When using both at the same time, PD doesn't fire for me at all. I installed YK later, and PD stopped working. Starting a new game with both, will lead to the PD MCM not showing up (multiple tries/new saves), but is shown in Acheron. Disabling YK and making a new save fixed it instantly for me.

This wasn't an issue with the older version of PD.

 

And for the modder of PD, again: That doesn't mean you have to fix anything. YK isn't your mod, this is not an expectation, just an information.

Edited December 29, 2024 by Emerald982

[guliguliradish]

51 minutes ago, Emerald982 said:

 

I really don't know what your problem is. I do not expect you to do anything. I want to understand why it isn't done, and only because the situation is frustrating. I am a modder myself, I know how hard it is and how much time it consumes. But because we have so many defeat mods, I want to understand, why NONE is combining all of these features, when it is apparently possible to do them in the first place.

 

Btw; If any of you has the situation where PD doesn't fire at all, it might be because of Yamete Kudasai, which is another Acheron Defeat Mod. When using both at the same time, PD doesn't fire for me at all. I installed YK later, and PD stopped working. Starting a new game with both, will lead to the PD MCM not showing up (multiple tries/new saves), but is shown in Acheron. Disabling YK and making a new save fixed it instantly for me.

This wasn't an issue with the older version of PD.

 

And for the modder of PD, again: That doesn't mean you have to fix anything. YK isn't your mod, this is not an expectation, just an information.

Hey buddy, if you want creature content and also want to use PD, you can do this:
1 sexlab 1.63.
2 Acheron
3 PD
4 Simple attack

Then set the probability of PD to 99% and the probability of simple attack to 1% in Acheron, and you will get what you want.

[lovalter]

1 hour ago, Emerald982 said:

 

I really don't know what your problem is. I do not expect you to do anything. I want to understand why it isn't done, and only because the situation is frustrating. I am a modder myself, I know how hard it is and how much time it consumes. But because we have so many defeat mods, I want to understand, why NONE is combining all of these features, when it is apparently possible to do them in the first place.

 

Btw; If any of you has the situation where PD doesn't fire at all, it might be because of Yamete Kudasai, which is another Acheron Defeat Mod. When using both at the same time, PD doesn't fire for me at all. I installed YK later, and PD stopped working. Starting a new game with both, will lead to the PD MCM not showing up (multiple tries/new saves), but is shown in Acheron. Disabling YK and making a new save fixed it instantly for me.

This wasn't an issue with the older version of PD.

 

And for the modder of PD, again: That doesn't mean you have to fix anything. YK isn't your mod, this is not an expectation, just an information.

I run both together and have no problems so skill issue I'm afraid

Edited December 29, 2024 by lovalter