[Spoiler] Shattered Space and integration with base game

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

I took Andreja as my companion to Dasra. Duh. And while she has relevant dialogue with the main and side quests, there isn't any expected happiness that she's back home. If you do the companion quest in the base game, there's this sadness that she'll never be able to return home. Guess what? She's home. There's no "we need to see my family" dialogue. In isolation, the DLC is far better than the base game. There's enough temptation to ignore the base game and just stay in Dasra. But come on -- Bethesda hired the actress who voiced Andreja for extra lines in this DLC, but didn't think to fill in the obvious dialogue gaps. I play games for the story, and I am once more disappointed by the gaps in story.

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

Oh yeah, and get this. If you launch the Serpent's Crusade, everyone in Constellation has something bad to say about it. Duh. But if you make sure the Serpent's Crusade never happens, none of the Constellation members have ANYTHING to say about it. How's that for continuity? Oh well. More Bethesda slop.

[Sr_Golfo]

YEah I wasa really dissapointed ... I went married with Andreja .. and she even said a word about his past in Dazra, his family .. even with the Kaadic House . .they dont mention the assasination ofg Tomissair Kaadik, but at least is the house that has relations with the zealots .., The dlc is short and lack of any real emotion, the first part in the space station and even the cave and road of the serpent is not bad ... but after that I found it extremely boring, and the last battle extremely hard in comparison .. 

[Sr_Golfo]

So after finishing the main quest and while I was about to decorate my new Dazra house ... instead I went into a rampage totally bored .. 

[azmodan22]

Yea, I have the Gang's All Here mod installed and I have both Andreja and Sara as followers and I am marryed to Andreja. So I am about to start the "become promised" quest and I am looking at Andeaja and I am like: Yo love, you have Nothing to say about all this yet you litteraly wont shut the Fuck up for two minutes talking to Sara?. 

Their chatter became so annoying I sent Sara back to the ship after I got out of the cave.

I knew that the mod could be interfering with her chatter (its obviously not updated yet) but the lack of reactions from andreja was supper dissapointing. 

The very first thing she says when you get to her home is like: He is not a threat to you, or something like that.

Yooo, aren't you forgeting something??

 

[azmodan22]

Not to even mention the Star Wars garbage crushe reference in th Space station. Ok it was kinda funny but ... really?

[Sr_Golfo]

I remember the companion quest with Barrett and Barret has much more interaction with the people in Gagarin, remember all the part with the lawyer and that ??  than Andreja in Varuunkai .. thank you for telling me what happens when you launch the crusade I missed that save, so I have to use a save just after entering Dazra for the first time ... now I wont play it until modders make their good work .. meanwhile still stuck in FO4 while occassionaly a bit of FO76 

[Djlegends]

2 hours ago, azmodan22 said:

Yea, I have the Gang's All Here mod installed and I have both Andreja and Sara as followers and I am marryed to Andreja. So I am about to start the "become promised" quest and I am looking at Andeaja and I am like: Yo love, you have Nothing to say about all this yet you litteraly wont shut the Fuck up for two minutes talking to Sara?. 

Their chatter became so annoying I sent Sara back to the ship after I got out of the cave.

I knew that the mod could be interfering with her chatter (its obviously not updated yet) but the lack of reactions from andreja was supper dissapointing. 

The very first thing she says when you get to her home is like: He is not a threat to you, or something like that.

Yooo, aren't you forgeting something??

 

hmm do you by chance have the leadership perk since that currently bugs out Andreja interactions

[Sr_Golfo]

40 minutes ago, Djlegends said:

hmm do you by chance have the leadership perk since that currently bugs out Andreja interactions

Never heard of this bug ... gonna take out that perk and go into unity take out also the gang's all here mod .. and I hope that ANDREJA want to see her family or at least say something more rather than commenting her "this must be of importance" dialog. But I guess I will feel the same dissapoint than before, gonna give it a try. But the Tommisair Kaadic assasination dialog shoul be triggered ferom Kaadic family, mainly because I killed him, not Andreja. I felt like an enemy of that house. 

I read here how to take out the bug .. and the only way its to console command remove the perk andf then go to unity ... then I will have to meet andreja again romance her and go to the space  station. A few hours of gameplay that I know like mi own hands. As I am playing in gamepass pc I dont use any SFSE mods. 

Shit maybe I've played too much Starfield in this year ..  2771 hrs Lol

this is the thread I've read about that leadership perk 

Edited October 2, 2024 by Sr_Golfo

[Sr_Golfo]

Found a temporary fix, so its not needed to remove the perk or go to unity again, a save before the oracle should do it. 

https://www.starfieldpatch.dev/issues/1180

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

9 hours ago, Sr_Golfo said:

So after finishing the main quest and while I was about to decorate my new Dazra house ... instead I went into a rampage totally bored .. 

 

You do you.

[azmodan22]

20 hours ago, Djlegends said:

hmm do you by chance have the leadership perk since that currently bugs out Andreja interactions

 

I think I do yes.

She is reacting more "normal" however after I dissmised Sara. 

Played a bit more yesterday and now I am having another "issue".

 

If I hear the word they or them one more time I am becoming Silverbach 2.0 . !!!

[Djlegends]

2 hours ago, azmodan22 said:

 

I think I do yes.

She is reacting more "normal" however after I dissmised Sara. 

Played a bit more yesterday and now I am having another "issue".

 

If I hear the word they or them one more time I am becoming Silverbach 2.0 . !!!

Its a western game what did you expect plus their only 3 characters that have that pronoun

[azmodan22]

15 minutes ago, Djlegends said:

Its a western game what did you expect plus their only 3 characters that have that pronoun

 

No there are not.

I don't want to give any spoiler but I was doing a quest for one of the houses yesteday when you are told by a woman to get a location from her nephew and she didn't use HE a SINLGE freaking time. !!

And I havent finished the DLC yet, God how much of this I yet to hear.

I am going slow cus I know it is going to be short sp, no rush. I am literaly walking in town. 

[Djlegends]

7 hours ago, azmodan22 said:

 

No there are not.

I don't want to give any spoiler but I was doing a quest for one of the houses yesteday when you are told by a woman to get a location from her nephew and she didn't use HE a SINLGE freaking time. !!

And I havent finished the DLC yet, God how much of this I yet to hear.

I am going slow cus I know it is going to be short sp, no rush. I am literaly walking in town. 

if thats true that literaly doesn't make fucking sense how deep does this shit go lmfao

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

I started a brand new game (new as in new in the main menu) and made sure not to earn any leadership perks. Even so, Andreja really didn't say a whole lot above the rare commentary. My best theory is that there isn't really a bug -- Bethesda simply didn't give her any extra dialogue for the DLC beyond the rare lines we can sometimes hear. 

[Miauzi]

Vor 20 Minuten sagte TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft:

Ich habe ein brandneues Spiel gestartet (im Hauptmenü „Neu“ wie „Neu“) und darauf geachtet, keine Führungsvorteile zu erhalten. Trotzdem hat Andreja über die seltenen Kommentare hinaus wirklich nicht viel gesagt. Meine beste Theorie ist, dass es keinen wirklichen Fehler gibt – Bethesda hat ihr einfach keine zusätzlichen Dialoge für den DLC gegeben, abgesehen von den seltenen Zeilen, die wir manchmal hören können. 

 

Nun - ich spiele das Spiel ja nicht mehr und kann so auch den DLC nicht selbst aus erster Hand beurteilen.

Aber offensichtlich hat Bethesda hier eine große Chance verpasst – für den Spieler etwas so nachhaltiges zu schaffen wie das Aufeinander-Treffen von „Nick Valentine“ und „Dima“ im DLC „Far Habor“.

 

Da Nick einen Teil seiner Erinnerungen "verloren" hatte - weiß man über seine Zeit im Institut so gut wie nichts ... durch die Gespräche zw. „Dima“ und ihm wird einiges aufgedeckt – so auch die Probleme bei der Implementierung der Erinnerungen des „echten“ (menschlichen) Nick Valentine in das Synth-Gehirn.

 

Und natürlich wird hier verstärkt die Frage gestellt - wie viel von dem "alten" (menschlichen) Nick steckt in seiner "mechanischen Kopie" ... ein sehr altes und oft sehr verschieden behandeltes Thema der SFi-Kultur.

Mich selbst haben gerade die Unterhaltungen zw. „Nick“ und „Dima“ erst auf die Idee für den „Isekai“-Hintergrund meines Charakters für meine „Fallout-4“-Blog-Geschichte gebracht!

 

Eine ungenutzte Chance, gerade dem Charakter „Andrea“ eine zusätzliche Tiefe zu geben

[Djlegends]

5 hours ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

I started a brand new game (new as in new in the main menu) and made sure not to earn any leadership perks. Even so, Andreja really didn't say a whole lot above the rare commentary. My best theory is that there isn't really a bug -- Bethesda simply didn't give her any extra dialogue for the DLC beyond the rare lines we can sometimes hear. 

hmm theres supposed to be a big discussion after you meet the 3 houses along with completed the Expansion plus even more dialogue as well

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

There were no quests indicating there was a post-discussion after waking up in my new home. I have "another citizen does not need your help", but I don't think that should have interfered with anything. 

 

I'll try again without some of my QOL mods like "Hush" and "Another Citizen Does Not Need Your Help". It's not supposed to interfere, but maybe it is in some way. Time to hear "Yumi" on infinite repeat again.

Edited October 8, 2024 by TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

I found out that that that post dialogue with Andreja and the council has no quest. You have to luck into it.

 

You have to enter the House of Obedience for that dialogue to occur, and that only happens if you have completed Andreja's quests before starting the DLC. No hints at all that this discussion was going to take place.

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

I know that on Reddit, YouTube, and my own submissions to the Bethesda feedback page, that MANY people expressed dissatisfaction with the lack of any special Andreja dialogue -- or even dialogue trees -- in the DLC. And somehow Emil Pagliarulo -- excuse me -- Baghdad Bob -- doesn't see the big deal and will NEVER fix that lack of story content. As far as he's concerned, the DLC is perfect and he interprets the mostly negative Steam reviews as "many people love the DLC". Just makes me wonder how many people, if any, will buy the next DLC.