scm1893 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 My character's face flickers like it is cycling through a selection of skin tones. It's like the "black face bug" NPCs get except its flickering. I've searched the web several times. The strongest lead I got was a problem between Skyrim and Crossfire. Supposedly after Catalyst update 12.1 the problem was corrected. I'm running the most current version [13.8] so that's not the fix. I did a search on AMD and turned up nothing. Another thread said disabling Crossfire and only running one card would fix it; nope. Another said it was linked to SKSE tweak. Another said it required a change in the INI file. I did not find much info and definitely not a fix. If it is a problem btwn Crossfire and Skyrim there should be hundreds of people complaining. I thought it might be a conflict btwn ECE and Skyrim. I've checked the comments on the ECE page but didn't find any that were related. I've tried a new game with all mods unchecked except UOPs and SkyUI. I had the flashing face soon as I got to CharGen. Of course the problem may be inherent to the current data folder now. I've tried everything I can short of a complete re-install. I want to see if anyone here has experience with the problem before I do that. It would be a tremendous waste of time only to find out the problem is btwn Crossfire and Skyrim. Thanks Link to comment
DigitalVixen Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Would need your mod list to accurately pinpoint this, but this can happen for several reasons. Black face usually comes from having a mod changing the tint on a character but not providing the necessary facegeom tint and nif files. Flickering faces sounds like a texture bug to me. This can be because of corrupt files, wrong textures for wrong meshes and some other reasons. As I said though - a mod list would be helpful. Link to comment
scm1893 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 Hey DV, tks for the reply. I didn't think posting a mod list would help because I ran a test game with no mods checked except: Skyrim.esm Update.esm DG.esm HF.esm DB.esm UOP Skyrim.esp UOP DG.esp UOP HF.esp UOP DB.esp SkyUI.esp and the flickering face was still there. This is why I am unsure whether the problem is btwn Crossfire/Skyrim or just a bad data folder. The only way for me to determine that, is a clean vanilla install; unless someone from LL recognizes the problem and has another solution. If you still think it would help, I'll post a mod list. Keep in mind this list is what's left of the mods I've installed and tested. Some mods [esps] have already been removed. 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 HearthFires.esm 04 Dragonborn.esm 05 ApachiiHair.esm 06 ApachiiHairFemales.esm 07 RaceCompatibility.esm 08 Amarie.esm 09 AOM.esm 0A AP Skyrim.esm 0B BBLuxurySuite.esm 0C CMNewCompanions.esm 0D ElinRace.esm [Version 20120814] 0E ElinRaceTaint.esm 0F paradise_halls.esm 10 Pretty Followers.esm 11 Prison.esm 12 SexLab.esm [Version 1.24] 13 SummerWear.esm 14 UndergroundBathhouse.esm 15 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 16 TCRA.esm 17 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 1.3.2c] 18 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 1.2.3] 19 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.1] 1A Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] 1B Orc&ElfFix4TBBP.esp 1C USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp 1D ElinRaceVoice.esp 1E AllFemaleGuards.esp 1F amazones3.esp 20 AOM.esp 21 SexLabMatchMaker.esp [Version 5] 22 sexlab_necro.esp 23 SexLabDefeat.esp 24 Sexy Crafting Merchants.esp 25 ZazResources.esp 26 SkyUI.esp 27 BlackSacramentArmor.esp 28 Neo's Devilmaid2.esp 29 NewmillerShortSexyDress.esp 2A OMageCommonRobes.esp 2B OMageReplacerPack.esp 2C OpulentMerchant2.esp 2D OpulentOutfitsSet1Dark_UniversalAddon.esp 2E OpulentOutfitsSet2Dark_UniversalAddon.esp 2F Osare Panty.esp 30 Remodeled Armor.esp 31 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp ++ Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp ++ Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp 32 Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp 33 XiNafay - Kitty Corset.esp 34 Tropical Skyrim.esp 35 BBLuxurySuiteExt.esp 36 BBLSapachii.esp 37 BBLSVisitors.esp 38 BBLSMotseerOutfits.esp 39 BBLSmusic.esp 3A BBLuxurySuiteClassier.esp 3B SummerWearSA.esp 3C SummerWearBBLS.esp 3D SummerWearUBH.esp 3E ClassierTempleofMara.esp 3F EdenForRelease.esp 40 Gleaming falls.esp 41 Lakeview_Extended.esp 42 LakeviewHavenTown.esp 43 Landscaped_Proudspire.esp 44 meadery.esp 45 RiversideLodge.esp [Version 1.3.3] 46 skyrim tycoon - reloaded.esp [Version 1.52] 47 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp 48 ub_npc_rework.esp 49 ub_tapestry.esp 4A voidLetsGetNaked.esp 4B Auriel's Bow Reloaded.esp 4C Auriels Bow Unlimited Charge.esp 4D InfiniteCharge.esp 4E Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp 4F no_guard_warning_after_shouts.esp 50 SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp ++ Superjump_2x.esp 51 WayOfTheMonk.esp 52 xvisionchildren.esp 53 RCOTS-RACES.esp 54 RCOTS-Armorpack(EnglishVersion).esp 55 RCOTS-HostilesNPC.esp 56 RCOTS-Xvision(FriendChild).esp 57 zzEstrus.esp 58 TS_Whiterun_Paradise_City.esp 59 Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp 5A Populated Cities Towns Villages ADD-ON.esp 5B Dragon Shout 5 sec cooldown.esp 5C DragonFire.esp 5D DragonFire-Dragonborn.esp 5E UndressShout.esp 5F FNISspells.esp 60 SexAddict.esp 61 Explosive Unarmed Punches.esp 62 Dual Flurry for all.esp 63 GrandMaster.esp 64 Abundant Enchantments.esp 65 Archery Perk Mods.esp 66 NiruinsBusinessPlan.esp 67 ShakeIt.esp 68 ApachiiHairStyles.esp 69 ApachiiHairStylesELVES.esp 6A ApachiiHairStyles-FemaleOnly.esp 6B Cazy Hairs-by zzjay.esp 6C ElinRace__zzSimsHair.esp 6D Fh hairs-by zzjay.esp 6E MikuHairElin.esp 6F RenHair.esp 70 SGHairPack03.esp 71 SGHairPack02.esp 72 SGHairPack01.esp 73 SGHairPack04.esp 74 SGHairPack05.esp 75 SGHairPack06.esp 76 Monli.esp 77 OrientalRace.esp 78 paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp 79 paradise_halls_fellglow_slave_camp.esp 7A SlaversHideout.esp 7B SBF All In One + DLC.esp 7C babydoll.esp 7D BreezeHomeChildren.esp 7E ChildFollower.esp 7F CMBeautifulCompanions.esp 80 CMNewCompanions.esp 81 Fantastic Followers.esp 82 HousecarlSolitude.esp 83 HousecarlWhiterun.esp 84 Pretty Followers.esp 85 FollowerWander2.esp 86 FollowerWander2Serana.esp ++ moveit.esp 87 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 88 AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp 89 QuickStart3_NoHelmet.esp 8A Bandit Children.esp 8B CharacterMakingExtender.esp 8C ElinRace - Use Monli custom BBP Body.esp 8D EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp 8E Forsworn Children.esp 8F ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp 90 Clean Invisibility Effects plus Eyes Fix.esp 91 Purewaters.esp 92 PurewatersDG.esp 93 PurewatersDB.esp 94 elin.esp 95 DLC1BowDrawSpeedBoost.esp 96 Spanking.esp 97 ElinRace NewNPC.esp 98 Chocolate Elves -no Ears, no Horns.esp 99 NoPrisonersOutfit.esp 9A sx3 - core.esp 9B missskyrim.esp 9C BlackthroneCastle.esp 9D Gleaming Fall 2.esp 9E PortsExtended.esp 9F Proudspire manor.esp A0 Proudspire Dragons Collection.esp A1 proudspiremanormapmarker.esp A2 elvenprincess.esp A3 Shiny Catsuits.esp A4 RavenHeartSkyrimOrig.esp A5 PrisonDownsize.esp A6 Bashed Patch, 0.esp Link to comment
DigitalVixen Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 The thing is that if you have replacer mods that don't depend on ESP/ESM files (that is they replace game files in their original place) then un-checking those mods won't help you - likewise if you have mods that run scripts that are then embedded in your save file you can get the same problem if you un-check their respective esm/esp files. I'm short on time right now, so that was a general reply - I'll check your modlist later and post a better reply. Link to comment
Guest Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 dunno if it helps but a total black tintmap takes ways the flickering blocky stuff u get from shadows in game, and if must have some tint wich is shine, u can just dom some spot sslitghter lighter in msn map (only slight with blur or ir get pointy) Link to comment
somaddict Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 dunno if it helps but a total black tintmap takes ways the flickering blocky stuff u get from shadows in game, and if must have some tint wich is shine, u can just dom some spot sslitghter lighter in msn map (only slight with blur or ir get pointy) Which tintmap are you referring to? Link to comment
somaddict Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I have this same problem, and there are people complaining of the same thing with crossfire for a while now. Try messing around with the head sliders. Link to comment
somaddict Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 For the record. I just did a re-install and the problem persists. Link to comment
somaddict Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Ok, this is pretty obvious, but I went into the CCC and manually selected the Skyrim Crossfire profile. :/ Link to comment
Zor2k13 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Try going back to the default ini files for now and also lower your video settings in skyrim. Set AA and AF to 2x and go into ccc and gaming tab 3d application settings make sure you have a profile for skyrim. AA filter should be standard not edge detect, morphological filtering off, texture filtering quality should be lowered to lowest level called performance. wait for vertical refresh should be off unless application asks option. Let skyrim handle vsync, by default it has vsync turned on. Using high shadow settings in ini files will cause problems that is why I ask for you to use default ini files. I am running on the 13.11 beta v9.2 drivers with just one card and I ran into the flickering stuff on the face bug myself when I put in many body mods. Some body mod authors use those dam texture optimizing programs or wrong settings when saving files or shitty programs for creating textures like most non adobe programs. Fucked up textures can cause bugs like this with lines and things flickering on the face and flying out of the player character head. The game should crash a lot too and it is hard to pin down the mod causing the problem exactly if you have a lot of them. Best thing to do is go back to default vanilla skyrim and add one mod at a time with the settings listed above and wait for flickering to occur. It is definitely body mods though doing this or any other mod that has uncompressed textures like large texture files. I have not seen this problem with CBBE but who knows what other mods do if you haven't used them? What I have going so far is 1080p on a single card 7900 series and the drivers I mentioned above. Using 2xAA and 2xAF with those ccc settings mentioned above. changed my shadow settings to 8192 in all the right places and I have CBBE for females and SOS light with that fix mod on nexus for males. Somebody posted a comment at SOS nexus site about bad textures for amd users so I did the same thing they mentioned and worked for me too the flickering went away with SOS. I thought it was my card until I saw that post. I am starting to think that nvidia cards can just deal with this shit better and amd driver team still sucks. It is like amd just wants things to go badly all the time or their mindset is scatterbrained so they just end up doing everything half ass most of the time. I really want amd to compete better with intel and nvidia so prices will go down but there has been evidence in the recent past that amd and nvidia were in bed together over prices on cards. I forget where now but it was an article at all the major sites talking about it years ago maybe someone around here remembers. I thought this time around for the console launches since amd was inside all of them it would push amd to do a better job with software in general but guess not exactly for now. Link to comment
scm1893 Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Thank you, everyone, for replies. I apologize for late reply. I decided to completely remove Skyrim and re-install everything. [i'll bet no one has ever had to do that before!] I have been loading mods back in, one at a time, and checking for flickering. None so far. My mod list is short, though. 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a] 03 Dawnguard.esm 04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0b] 05 HearthFires.esm 06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0] 07 Dragonborn.esm 08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0] 09 ApachiiHair.esm 0A ApachiiHairFemales.esm 0B RaceCompatibility.esm 0C ZaZAnimationPack.esm 0D USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp 0E SkyUI.esp 0F Remodeled Armor.esp 10 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp ++ Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp ++ Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp 11 Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp 12 AllFemaleGuards.esp 13 Shiny Catsuits.esp 14 Auriel's Bow Reloaded.esp 15 Auriels Bow Unlimited Charge.esp ++ Superjump_2x.esp 16 WayOfTheMonk.esp 17 RCOTS-HostilesNPC.esp 18 RCOTS-Armorpack(EnglishVersion).esp 19 RCOTS-RACES.esp 1A Explosive Unarmed Punches.esp 1B Dual Flurry for all.esp 1C GrandMaster.esp 1D Abundant Enchantments.esp 1E Archery Perk Mods.esp 1F ApachiiHairStyles.esp 20 ApachiiHairStylesELVES.esp 21 ApachiiHairStyles-FemaleOnly.esp 22 QuickStart3_NoHelmet.esp 23 Bandit Children.esp 24 CharacterMakingExtender.esp 25 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp 26 Forsworn Children.esp 27 Bashed Patch, 0.esp I'm ruling out a conflict btwn Skyrim and Crossfire. [at least in my case] I'll continue to build and will post if I re-create the flicker. Link to comment
somaddict Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I think it happens after Univision. I have also had good results with selecting the FEAR profile in CCC. Leave all crossfire settings default if using Radeon Pro. Link to comment
scm1893 Posted December 27, 2013 Author Share Posted December 27, 2013 Just an update. I have not been able to recreate the flickering face. Just one of those weird Skyrim things, I guess. Link to comment
tampatip Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Its a conflict with SKSE. If you run Skryim without SKSE in Crossfire, it is fine. So there must be some type of setting in SKSE that is causing the flicker. Link to comment
shedidwhat Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 the face flicker is due to (with Crossfire enabled) [Display]iTintTextureResolution=2048 in skse.ini ( in data/SKSE ) folder removing that line fixes the flicker but removes/disables the 2048 texture Link to comment
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