Slaanesh Devotee Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I just finished cleaning the Lovers out of my Oblivion install to replace it with updated mod versions, as I should have some time ago because as I've just discovered, every second I was missing out on LAPF was a second wasted. I'm probably not quite the mod user I like to think I am though, so I've run afoul of some difficulty. In order from most to least likely to be easily solvable, my problems are as follows. Strapons behave oddly. When stripping for sex begins and a female aggressor is assigned her penis mesh, she gets the strapon like she should. When penetration begins, the strapon vanishes and she gets a futa dick. When she's finished and stands up, she switches back to the strapon for a moment (males during this time display a flaccid penis instead, which makes sense) before she puts her pants on. My guess is that LAPF either handles penetration differently than just mashing two models together, or at the very least has its own penis mesh in lieu of permanent BBB-style penis bones. Is there a currently functioning strapon mesh for LAPF? (And if so, is that likely what I have only I somehow managed to install it wrong?) Second, whenever sex begins or ends anywhere in my general vicinity, I switch to third person camera. Which makes a modicum of sense if my character is involved, but it happens even when he or she is not. It doesn't go so far as to toggle the free-floating camera like it does when my character is actually having sex, but I can also always tell when RaperS has triggered on someone else in the cell I'm in when I suddenly pop into third person view. I'm not locked in there and can just press R at any time to go back to first person, but since I typically run with RaperS cranked fairly high up, it gets bothersome when Crowded Roads facilitates a brawl-orgy. Lastly, I'm experiencing some pretty gnarly stability issues. My install has always been pretty crashy, but lately my typical "save once or twice on the road between Skingrad and the Imperial City just to be safe" has mutated into something more akin to "save every cell or two or any time anything cool happens because this session is not long for the world." I suspect this has less to do with Lovers than it does with the two hundred odd other unrelated mods I roll with (I apologize in advance for my overpopulated load order), but a lot of you ladies and gents are a lot brighter than me, so with any luck I've missed something the collective you won't. 00 Oblivion.esm 01 CCC.esm 02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.34] 03 Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35] 04 Artifacts.esm 05 TLS Modded Mannequins.esm 06 Lamps of Oblivion Master.esm 07 CM Partners.esm 08 Toaster Says Share v3.esm 09 Photoshop 4 Cleaned.esm 0A Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 0B CustomSpellIcons.esm 0C Lovers with PK.esm 0D LoversCreature.esm 0E Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0] 0F UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] 10 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp 11 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 12 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.1] ** Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp ** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp ** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp 13 LoadingScreens.esp 14 All Natural.esp [Version 1.34] 15 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.34] 16 Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp 17 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.34] 18 WindowLightingSystem.esp 19 AliveWaters.esp 1A AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp 1B AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp 1C Book Jackets Oblivion.esp 1D FlyingCameraMod.esp [Version 1.3] 1E VanityCameraSmoother.esp ++ Cyrodilic Brandy.esp 1F ImprovedSigns.esp 20 Lamps of Oblivion.esp 21 Unsafe Streets.esp [Version 1.0] ** VA_BetterGold.esp 22 StandingJOJO.esp 23 Crowded Cities 15.esp 24 Crowded Roads Advanced.esp [Version 1.3] 25 Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.42] 26 P1DmenuEscape.esp 27 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.5.2] 28 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5] 29 DLCHorseArmor.esp 2A DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7] 2B DLCOrrery.esp 2C DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] ** DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp 2D DLCVileLair.esp 2E DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8] 2F DLCMehrunesRazor.esp 30 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6] ** DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp 31 DLCSpellTomes.esp ++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1] ** Book Jackets DLC.esp ** GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp ** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp ++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp ++ CM_Better Wine.esp 32 RZWPortableCandles.esp 33 TLS Modded Mannequins.esp ** Armamentium female.esp 34 AncientTowers.esp ** AncientTowers Vwalk.esp 35 DLCThievesDen.esp 36 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.11] 37 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.11] ** DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp 38 Trade and Commerce.esp ++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0] 39 Dairânath Avari - male Companion.esp 3A GlenvarCastle.esp ** GlenvarCastle Vwalk.esp 3B ScarletMonastery.esp 3C Tavern-Goers 2.esp ** Tavern-Goers 2 Vwalk.esp 3D Player Hunters Fame and Infamy - Normal.esp 3E Trolls Under Bridges.esp 3F CharacterChangeAmulet.esp 40 XelusPlayerHouse.esp 41 VampiresLair.esp 42 1SB_VampireHaven.esp 43 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp 44 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8] 45 DLCFrostcrag.esp 46 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7] ** DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp 47 Knights.esp 48 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2] ** Knights Vwalk UOP.esp ** EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp 49 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5] 4A xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2] 4B xulTheHeath.esp 4C XulEntiusGorge.esp 4D xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1] 4E xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1] 4F xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2] ** xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp 50 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4] 51 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3] ** xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp 52 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1] 53 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3] 54 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6] 55 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3] 56 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3] 57 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1] 58 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3] ** xulRollingHills_EV Vwalk.esp 59 xulPantherRiver.esp 5A xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2] 5B xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1.1] ** xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp 5C xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7] ** xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp 5D xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0] 5E xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1] 5F xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2] ** xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp 60 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1] ** xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp 61 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.4] 62 ApachiiHeroesStore-Snowdale patch.esp 63 FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp 64 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12] ** xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp 65 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.2] 66 xulJerallGlacier.esp [Version 1.0.0] 67 xulTheEasternPeaks.esp [Version 1.0] ** xulTheEasternPeaks Vwalk.esp 68 AncientTowers-EasternPeaks patch.esp [Version 1.0] 69 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] ++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0] 6A Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] ++ Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp 6B P1DcandlesForKleptos.esp 6C bondage_sex.esp 6D Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.2.0] 6E Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp 6F BasicInstinct.esp 70 unnatural_aura_by_trollf.esp 71 No psychic guards v1.2.esp 72 LoversDRader.esp 73 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 74 LoversHooker.esp [Version 2.2] 75 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp 76 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp 77 LoversRaperS.esp 78 LoversJoburg.esp 79 LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp 7A LoversBed.esp 7B PlayerSlaveEncounters.esp 7C LoversPayBandit.esp 7D PSE-PayBandit-Patch.esp 7E LoversPower.esp 7F Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96v4a] 80 LoversCreature.esp 81 Lovers with PK Extender.esp [Version 2.4.3] 82 LoversSoundCreature.esp [Version 0.1.0] ** LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp 83 LoversSpermSplashEx.esp 84 LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp 85 LoversRapeSlave.esp 86 LoversSlaveTrader.esp 87 LSTBravilUnderground.esp 88 LSTaddonInH.esp 89 LoversSlavePlay.esp 8A LoversBackup2.esp 8B LoversClubCats.esp 8C LoversCalm.esp 8D LoversChorus.esp 8E LoversClubCatsSx.esp 8F LoversOrgy.esp 90 LoversSetScale.esp 91 RMDailyIncomeV2.esp 92 LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp 93 Stripper.esp 94 LoversLight.esp 95 AutoSetBody.esp 96 SetBody.esp 97 CTAddPose_v_1.esp 98 CTAddPose_osr1.esp 99 CTAddPose_osr2.esp 9A CTAddPose_osr3.esp 9B CTAddPose_Le01.esp 9C CTAddPose_Le02.esp 9D CTAddPose_OTpair2.esp 9E CTAddPose_ bondage_sex.esp 9F CTAddPose_bondage_sex-2.esp A0 CTAddPose_2ch_(Hentai).esp A1 CTAddPose_Gaff_01.esp A2 CTAddPose_Gaff_02.esp A3 CTAddPose_glock3.esp A4 CTAddPose_gobu.esp A5 CTAddPose_Dsk(erori)Pose.esp A6 CTAddPose_DskPose.esp A7 CTAddPose_SPB_01.esp A8 CTAddPose SPB 02.esp A9 CTAddPose_Pinups.esp AA CTAddPose_Pinups_2.esp AB CTAddPose_Mfethi.esp AC CTAddPose_Pinups_3.esp AD CTAddPose_Halo.esp AE CTAddPose_Bkasou.esp AF CTAddPose_Chawan.esp B0 CTAddPose_Gaz.esp B1 Goma Pose 1.esp B2 Goma Pose 2.esp B3 Goma Pose 3.esp B4 Goma Pose 4.esp B5 Goma Pose 5.esp B6 Goma Pose 6.esp B7 Goma Pose 7.esp B8 Goma Pose 8.esp B9 Goma Pose 9.esp BA Goma Pose 10.esp BB Goma Pose 11.esp BC Goma Pose 12.esp BD Goma Pose 13.esp BE Goma Pose 14.esp BF Goma Pose 15.esp C0 Goma Pose 16.esp C1 LainPoseMODv1.4.esp C2 Slave in pose.esp C3 Slave in pose2.esp C4 actors_in_charge.esp C5 ActorsInMadness.esp C6 77_Umpa_Animation.esp C7 77_Umpa_Pose.esp C8 Dungeon Poses 1.1.esp C9 EFGAddPose.esp CA Chain it!.esp CB geechan_SimplePose.esp CC NaRae Pose - 01.esp CD NaRae Pose - 01 Guide Book.esp CE NaRae Pose - 02.esp CF NoMaaM_BBB.esp D0 shinyEmotions.esp D1 Pose Thumbnail Poses 1.1.esp [Version 1.1] D2 SexyWitchPoses.esp D3 Slof's Sexy Anims.esp D4 The Uguu Poser.esp D5 CTAddPose_Merged.esp D6 CM Partners.esp ** CM Partners Vwalk.esp D7 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp ** CM Partners Special NPCs Vwalk.esp D8 CM Partners NPC.esp ** CM Partners NPC Vwalk.esp D9 CM Partners More NPCs.esp ** CM Partners More NPCs Vwalk.esp DA CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp ** CM Partners Marker NPCs Vwalk.esp DB CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp ** CM Partners Extra NPCs Vwalk.esp DC MONSTERGIRL-CoC.esp DD D's Zombie Suits.esp DE DsNeckDefuglifiers.esp DF MiscUHKConversions.esp E0 Slaveknight armor.esp E1 HGEC Varied Breasts.esp E2 Arena_Ring_V2.esp E3 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04] E4 Dairanath Avari - male Companion.esp ++ ArgonianBeautification-RaceSettings.esp E5 ScriptedArgonianFeet.esp E6 Alternate Start Revamped.esp E7 MassA.I-40.esp E8 FuroGeneratorTrap.esp E9 zzEstrus.esp EA ZombieManor.esp EB Zombie Island.esp EC zzContainerTrap English.esp ED ElsweyrAnequina.esp EE Unofficial Elsweyr Anequina Patch.esp EF Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp ** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.34] F0 Bashed Patch, 0.esp F1 Massive Race Mod.esp [Version 1.2] F2 Abriael_Human.esp F3 BridFetishGirl.esp F4 BridFetishGirlTrainerAddon.esp F5 ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp [Version 1.2] F6 Cat's Photography Studio.esp F7 LoversMB2.esp F8 lovers3dorgasmmb2.esp F9 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp FA lovers3dorgasm.esp FB LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp I've run it through BOSS and then past the list here, deferring to readmes where applicable, and with the possible exception of the clump between Bravil Underground and SetBody (which I just have no idea what to do with), it seems okay. The races and whatnots below the Bashed patch seem an obvious candidate for errors, but aside from being hacky conglomerations of races and clothes, they're okay. Stuff unfortunately doesn't get any better without 'em. Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer me! Link to comment
Guest ThatOne Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 The strapon problem is very clearly an installation mistake. The rest are probably load order issues. put simply, you put the wrong files in the wrong folders. Since I don't use most of your mods, I might as well leave it to someone else who does have experience with them to help you. Link to comment
gregathit Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 The LAPF does not support 3rd party strap-ons. They will always disappear if you have the attacking woman grows penis option on, as lovers swaps out the entire lowerbody. You have several choices: 1. Change the ini file to use the strap-on mesh. This solution has more bad points than good. A. The good: When sex begins and the female is in the offensive position, they will automatically use a strap-on (mesh comes as part of the LAPF). B. The bad: This effects men as well so they will have a strap-on during sex. There is no way to use both the futa dick and the strap-on without exiting the game and changing the ini file. You have to change the ini files of EACH animation (140 plus of them) to make this happen. 2. Option two. Replace the futa cock mesh (overwrite it) with the female strap-on mesh (make sure you back up the futa mesh somewhere in case you want to switch back in the future). A. The good: Now all females in the offensive position will automatically get a strap-on during sex. This does not effect males at all. You do not have to alter the ini files of the animations. B The bad: You will not see any futa cocks unless you change the meshes back out. (This would be my recommended option depending on what body plugin you use) 3. Option 3 - disable the attacking woman grows a penis option in the lovers settings. A. The good: Lovers not attempt to switchout the female lowerbody. B. The bad: Unless you weight paint your strap-on's and parent them to the LAPF skeleton then the strap-on won't line up worth a shit during animations. (As an option you could use the LAPF strap-on dick and delete all the rest and make a custom strap-on that will be animated so you can benefit from the LAPF animations). Lovers works with 3rd party. The commands specifically trigger this and that is what you are seeing. There are "hacks" to use lovers in 1st person but they are not stable and thus not recommended. Sucks but there is no support for all the custom camera stuff that is out there. It would be a full time job trying to keep up with it. As to your load order: I recommend you switch to the recommended Roberts v52 (see the install instructions for the LAPF). You are currently running v4. If you want to gain some stability back then I recommend you dump the following: 97 CTAddPose_v_1.esp 98 CTAddPose_osr1.esp 99 CTAddPose_osr2.esp 9A CTAddPose_osr3.esp 9B CTAddPose_Le01.esp 9C CTAddPose_Le02.esp 9D CTAddPose_OTpair2.esp 9E CTAddPose_ bondage_sex.esp 9F CTAddPose_bondage_sex-2.esp A0 CTAddPose_2ch_(Hentai).esp A1 CTAddPose_Gaff_01.esp A2 CTAddPose_Gaff_02.esp A3 CTAddPose_glock3.esp A4 CTAddPose_gobu.esp A5 CTAddPose_Dsk(erori)Pose.esp A6 CTAddPose_DskPose.esp A7 CTAddPose_SPB_01.esp A8 CTAddPose SPB 02.esp A9 CTAddPose_Pinups.esp AA CTAddPose_Pinups_2.esp AB CTAddPose_Mfethi.esp AC CTAddPose_Pinups_3.esp AD CTAddPose_Halo.esp AE CTAddPose_Bkasou.esp AF CTAddPose_Chawan.esp B0 CTAddPose_Gaz.esp B1 Goma Pose 1.esp B2 Goma Pose 2.esp B3 Goma Pose 3.esp B4 Goma Pose 4.esp B5 Goma Pose 5.esp B6 Goma Pose 6.esp B7 Goma Pose 7.esp B8 Goma Pose 8.esp B9 Goma Pose 9.esp BA Goma Pose 10.esp BB Goma Pose 11.esp BC Goma Pose 12.esp BD Goma Pose 13.esp BE Goma Pose 14.esp BF Goma Pose 15.esp C0 Goma Pose 16.esp C1 LainPoseMODv1.4.esp C2 Slave in pose.esp C3 Slave in pose2.esp C6 77_Umpa_Animation.esp C7 77_Umpa_Pose.esp C8 Dungeon Poses 1.1.esp C9 EFGAddPose.esp CA Chain it!.esp CB geechan_SimplePose.esp CC NaRae Pose - 01.esp CD NaRae Pose - 01 Guide Book.esp CE NaRae Pose - 02.esp D1 Pose Thumbnail Poses 1.1.esp [Version 1.1] D2 SexyWitchPoses.esp D3 Slof's Sexy Anims.esp D4 The Uguu Poser.esp D5 CTAddPose_Merged.esp and 07 CM Partners.esm D6 CM Partners.esp ** CM Partners Vwalk.esp D7 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp ** CM Partners Special NPCs Vwalk.esp D8 CM Partners NPC.esp ** CM Partners NPC Vwalk.esp D9 CM Partners More NPCs.esp ** CM Partners More NPCs Vwalk.esp DA CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp ** CM Partners Marker NPCs Vwalk.esp DB CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp ** CM Partners Extra NPCs Vwalk.esp Pose mods are notorious for having dirty edits and jacking things up. CM partners isn't much better. Grab MCS (mad companionship spells) from the non-adult section instead. Link to comment
Slaanesh Devotee Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 Thanks and thanks! Also, evidently I'm not as good at words as I thought too. Not to worry. As for the strapons, I had a mesh replacer, but evidently it was either replacing the wrong mesh or I just screwed it up somehow. I'll prod at that later tonight and now that I at least know I'm the one at fault I'm sure I'll figure it out. The replacer I have worked fine in prior versions, so I figured I'd ask and make sure LAPF didn't require a particular weirdo mesh or what-have-you. The camera woes I evidently just didn't communicate very well. I get that Lovers doesn't co-operate with a first person camera when the player is involved with sex. That part works great; I start sex, camera pops out to free-flying mode, and everything is wonderful. The problem is that that's happening even when sex that doesn't involve me starts. For instance, a guard attacks a bandit and RaperS triggers sex. As soon as they start having sex, even though I'm not involved, my camera pops out to third person anyway. I had no idea Roberts had been updated recently, so I'll definitely snag that and try disabling my pose and companion mods and see if that gets me some stability back. Thanks for the suggestions! Link to comment
gregathit Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 The LAPF does require a particular mesh for the animations to work properly. In other words you do need to either use the female futa or the female dildo mesh as those meshes have an "animated" dick. What I mean by this is that the dick has been weight painted and had bones added to it. This allows the animation to control the dick itself and it can bend just like an arm during sex. This helps the dick move around with the rest of the animation and not just be a static point in one direction deal like in previous versions of lovers. Now a dick can bend to do down someone's throat and not poke out the back of their head and so on. As to the camera, again, lovers runs scripts to FORCE the 3rd person camera to happen and it doesn't matter if the PC is involved in sex or not. This is due to Lovers never having been set up to handle 1st person cameras. 1st person cameras are something that is fairly new, where as the core of LPK is very old. It is something you are probably just going to have to learn to live with, as there is no one that I know who is willing to spend the next 6 or 8 months investigating and re-writing all the core scripts for Lovers. Sorry. Best of luck to you on getting your game stabilized. Link to comment
Slaanesh Devotee Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 Well that's... peculiar, for lack of a better word. I've been through three or four revisions of Lovers prior to this one and in none of them has the camera been jumpy like that. Also, once I got strapons actually functioning properly (which took more time than I particularly care to admit), my camera issues went from all the time to only sometimes. I'm genuinely perplexed now, even more so since absolutely nothing I've done should have had anything even remotely to do with camera perspectives. As for the rest of it though, strapons are working fine now, and since I canned CM partners for MCS, I'm crashing way less too. Thanks and thanks again! Link to comment
gregathit Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Part of the problem with the cameras could also be the animations themselves. Some of them contain camera information. I removed that from many of the animations as it just isn't needed, but there may be some that still contain it. Link to comment
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