Sexual Assault Recognised?

[Mrs Taewa]

Hello, first I will state I am a female Gamer who much prefers watching some guys sexy ass running around on my screen than some chick's boring booty, so shots at me for not playing a female PC are not particulary welcome

Now with that out of the way ...I do have a question, I am guessing there probably isn't, but no harm in asking. Is there a Mod available that will recognise Sexual Assault as an Assault? I currently use Sex Em Up, but unfortunatley its not recoginsed as a crime, both the assualted NPC and any other NPC's around are completely non reactive to it...so just hoping there may be an alternative available? I also use Violate, but that's combat only from what I understand, unless there's a tweaking I can do to it that will give me what I'm looking for?

[katrina.balanchuk]

On 3/21/2024 at 6:03 AM, Mrs Taewa said:

Hello, first I will state I am a female Gamer who much prefers watching some guys sexy ass running around on my screen than some chick's boring booty, so shots at me for not playing a female PC are not particulary welcome

Now with that out of the way ...I do have a question, I am guessing there probably isn't, but no harm in asking. Is there a Mod available that will recognise Sexual Assault as an Assault? I currently use Sex Em Up, but unfortunatley its not recoginsed as a crime, both the assualted NPC and any other NPC's around are completely non reactive to it...so just hoping there may be an alternative available? I also use Violate, but that's combat only from what I understand, unless there's a tweaking I can do to it that will give me what I'm looking for?

 

SEU is a nice stable mod that can be used both as male and female charcter without breaking immersion.

 

I am female and i play both as female to feel young again (with a avatar looking like i did in college) and as a guy to experience the feeling powerful in the agency of a classic male hero.

Both are entirely different ways of being and of course as female character i am forced to walk carefully and avoid groups of strange men in the wasteland and can only feel relatively safe in large settlements but as a man I go where I please in my power armor and hold the biggest gun i can lift to anyones head .)

 

As for your concern the theory by the mods Devs (probably rightfully) is that in the lawless decivlized wasteland it simply isnt considered a crime. People are trying to simply not starve that is their priority.

 

As a former history teacher I can confidently say that the concept of sexual self-determination for us is historically a fairly new one and occurred first in wealthy and secure societies.

 

The wasteland is neither wealthy, nor secure.

 

and before then it was considered a crime against her father and/or husband , if she had one if she had neither, well... no one really cared then.

 

If you read ancient historical texts (say 500 years plus)  from almost any society, chinese, european, arab, jewish, indian, etc etc t becomes evident the sexual consent by women was not generally bothered to be sought by men, but just not considered and if they were alone and she was near him and therefore in his power , that sex would simply happen .

Hence the concept of chaperones for dating, as recently as a only a few generations ago.

 

So I think given the social mores on a de-civilized environment in this game, I think it is , for example, very plausible that your friend Piper (if you are not dating her) would stand around and non chalantly smoke a cigarette, while you as male character use SEU to rape a farm girl that struck your fancy . Or that the girl in question would "get over it" very quickly and not attack you afterwards.

 

I do not have much experience with that because when i play as a male i dont put much emphasis on sex but more on the "hero" aspect of it all. (but i do have SEU installed and family planning redux, to get some of my favorite characters like piper pregnant and its generally consensual SEU mode.

 

But as a female character you cannot avoid the issue of sex, if you have the LL mods installed that inject that realism for a female character into the game. (harrassment, TSEX hardship. AAF Violate whichis a life saver, etc ).

 

As a realistic female character you have to put a lot of care into avoiding getting raped (just like you would real world in this environment) but sometimes surrendering via AAF Violate is the only plausible alternative to getting killed.

 

Having said that, yes some mods track whether it is sexual assault. and make the female character depressed from it, if it happens too often to her or, if male, you as the "doer" could give you a bad reputation ..

 

AAF TSEX Hardship you try to make your life as by prostituting yourself (there are even settings where you can set how NPCs perceive your looks, age and the like to judge your "cost")

But this is for a female Character of course , but sometimes customers refuse the pay and this is tracked by the mod as rape.

 

Crime and Punishment which I downloaded but which I never really played due to conflicts, could get a male character into trouble for raping, I think. But I never tried that.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2024 by katrina.balanchuk

[Mrs Taewa]

15 hours ago, katrina.balanchuk said:

 

SEU is a nice stable mod that can be used both as male and female charcter without breaking immersion.

 

I am female and i play both as female to feel young again (with a avatar looking like i did in college) and as a guy to experience the feeling powerful in the agency of a classic male hero.

Both are entirely different ways of being and of course as female character i am forced to walk carefully and avoid groups of strange men in the wasteland and can only feel relatively safe in large settlements but as a man I go where I please in my power armor and hold the biggest gun i can lift to anyones head .)

 

As for your concern the theory by the mods Devs (probably rightfully) is that in the lawless decivlized wasteland it simply isnt considered a crime. People are trying to simply not starve that is their priority.

 

As a former history teacher I can confidently say that the concept of sexual self-determination for us is historically a fairly new one and occurred first in wealthy and secure societies.

 

The wasteland is neither wealthy, nor secure.

 

and before then it was considered a crime against her father and/or husband , if she had one if she had neither, well... no one really cared then.

 

If you read ancient historical texts (say 500 years plus)  from almost any society, chinese, european, arab, jewish, indian, etc etc t becomes evident the sexual consent by women was not generally bothered to be sought by men, but just not considered and if they were alone and she was near him and therefore in his power , that sex would simply happen .

Hence the concept of chaperones for dating, as recently as a only a few generations ago.

 

So I think given the social mores on a de-civilized environment in this game, I think it is , for example, very plausible that your friend Piper (if you are not dating her) would stand around and non chalantly smoke a cigarette, while you as male character use SEU to rape a farm girl that struck your fancy . Or that the girl in question would "get over it" very quickly and not attack you afterwards.

 

I do not have much experience with that because when i play as a male i dont put much emphasis on sex but more on the "hero" aspect of it all. (but i do have SEU installed and family planning redux, to get some of my favorite characters like piper pregnant and its generally consensual SEU mode.

 

But as a female character you cannot avoid the issue of sex, if you have the LL mods installed that inject that realism for a female character into the game. (harrassment, TSEX hardship. AAF Violate whichis a life saver, etc ).

 

As a realistic female character you have to put a lot of care into avoiding getting raped (just like you would real world in this environment) but sometimes surrendering via AAF Violate is the only plausible alternative to getting killed.

 

Having said that, yes some mods track whether it is sexual assault. and make the female character depressed from it, if it happens too often to her or, if male, you as the "doer" could give you a bad reputation ..

 

AAF TSEX Hardship you try to make your life as by prostituting yourself (there are even settings where you can set how NPCs perceive your looks, age and the like to judge your "cost")

But this is for a female Character of course , but sometimes customers refuse the pay and this is tracked by the mod as rape.

 

Crime and Punishment which I downloaded but which I never really played due to conflicts, could get a male character into trouble for raping, I think. But I never tried that.

 

 

 

 

Hello katrina ...Yes, I absolutley agree with regard to history (and still ongoing in many places in the world). I have reflected as such in my Game as much as I have been able to, as I most certainly agree the Wasteland environment would throw society back into that very dog eat dog world, as such there is through aesthetic Mods a lot of both ambient visual misogynist and brutality content in my Game...Plus ambient slaving, set at a 75%/25% gender ratio, the 75% being female. I also use a Mod that allows me to set Gender percentages per Faction which I also find great for immersion, such as very few women among the Raiders, but a 50/50 split among the Settlers. Basically I have been trying to create a world such as you describe, as I do love my realism ...though I do feel a farm girl even accustomed to and used to being at the bottom of the barrel would still have responded with fear at the least towards some random stranger who just violently assaulted and raped her.

The first run I did of Fallout 4 (not that long ago) I played a woman, due to as you state just how dangerous it would be for a lone wandering female in the Wastelands, I did that to stress test my Game ... Started her with the vanilla start, but not as Shauns mother, a young woman dazed, confused, naive, lost and completely vunerable...thus a lot of sex ensued, as she was repeatedly caught and raped, gang banged, assaulted randomly, harrassment, couldn't sleep safely anywhere, etc...traumatized by it all, hit Mindbreak, etc...I figured with so many scripts firing so often it would be a good stress test on the Game, that's one way to do I suppose O.o

May I ask which Mod you speak of gives a male a bad reputation? I do use Sex Attributes, it's great with Provocative Perks when playing a female ...despite the fact Sex Attibutes is built for female PC's only, I have been putting it to good use with an aggressive male PC, I finally worked out how to tweak the settings to make it work for him

I have been using Crime and Punishment and it was letting me down, not registering any bad karma deeds, only good, but I hit Debug on it yesterday and now it's working like a charm, his Assaults are finally registering ...I am RP'ing a Raider (Start Me Up Mod), using Nuka World as the base story in my Game, his highly pragmatic, very little empathy and with psychopathic tendencies... murder, rape, assault, theft, battle and enslaving others are his daily life, very brutal. Which is funny is I have never been able to go further than an Amoral character, could never do evil or cruel so I have never played such a character, but to be honest I'm actually enjoying the hell out of him O.o ...took me many numbers of restarts of the game before I could actually RP him though haha, but I got there

 

[Mrs Taewa]

17 hours ago, katrina.balanchuk said:

 

SEU is a nice stable mod that can be used both as male and female charcter without breaking immersion.

 

I am female and i play both as female to feel young again (with a avatar looking like i did in college) and as a guy to experience the feeling powerful in the agency of a classic male hero.

Both are entirely different ways of being and of course as female character i am forced to walk carefully and avoid groups of strange men in the wasteland and can only feel relatively safe in large settlements but as a man I go where I please in my power armor and hold the biggest gun i can lift to anyones head .)

 

As for your concern the theory by the mods Devs (probably rightfully) is that in the lawless decivlized wasteland it simply isnt considered a crime. People are trying to simply not starve that is their priority.

 

As a former history teacher I can confidently say that the concept of sexual self-determination for us is historically a fairly new one and occurred first in wealthy and secure societies.

 

The wasteland is neither wealthy, nor secure.

 

and before then it was considered a crime against her father and/or husband , if she had one if she had neither, well... no one really cared then.

 

If you read ancient historical texts (say 500 years plus)  from almost any society, chinese, european, arab, jewish, indian, etc etc t becomes evident the sexual consent by women was not generally bothered to be sought by men, but just not considered and if they were alone and she was near him and therefore in his power , that sex would simply happen .

Hence the concept of chaperones for dating, as recently as a only a few generations ago.

 

So I think given the social mores on a de-civilized environment in this game, I think it is , for example, very plausible that your friend Piper (if you are not dating her) would stand around and non chalantly smoke a cigarette, while you as male character use SEU to rape a farm girl that struck your fancy . Or that the girl in question would "get over it" very quickly and not attack you afterwards.

 

I do not have much experience with that because when i play as a male i dont put much emphasis on sex but more on the "hero" aspect of it all. (but i do have SEU installed and family planning redux, to get some of my favorite characters like piper pregnant and its generally consensual SEU mode.

 

But as a female character you cannot avoid the issue of sex, if you have the LL mods installed that inject that realism for a female character into the game. (harrassment, TSEX hardship. AAF Violate whichis a life saver, etc ).

 

As a realistic female character you have to put a lot of care into avoiding getting raped (just like you would real world in this environment) but sometimes surrendering via AAF Violate is the only plausible alternative to getting killed.

 

Having said that, yes some mods track whether it is sexual assault. and make the female character depressed from it, if it happens too often to her or, if male, you as the "doer" could give you a bad reputation ..

 

AAF TSEX Hardship you try to make your life as by prostituting yourself (there are even settings where you can set how NPCs perceive your looks, age and the like to judge your "cost")

But this is for a female Character of course , but sometimes customers refuse the pay and this is tracked by the mod as rape.

 

Crime and Punishment which I downloaded but which I never really played due to conflicts, could get a male character into trouble for raping, I think. But I never tried that.

 

 

 

 

PS...and thank you Katrina, I really enjoyed reading your post

[katrina.balanchuk]

2 hours ago, Mrs Taewa said:

Hello katrina ...Yes, I absolutley agree with regard to history (and still ongoing in many places in the world). I have reflected as such in my Game as much as I have been able to, as I most certainly agree the Wasteland environment would throw society back into that very dog eat dog world, as such there is through aesthetic Mods a lot of both ambient visual misogynist and brutality content in my Game...Plus ambient slaving, set at a 75%/25% gender ratio, the 75% being female. I also use a Mod that allows me to set Gender percentages per Faction which I also find great for immersion, such as very few women among the Raiders, but a 50/50 split among the Settlers. Basically I have been trying to create a world such as you describe, as I do love my realism ...though I do feel a farm girl even accustomed to and used to being at the bottom of the barrel would still have responded with fear at the least towards some random stranger who just violently assaulted and raped her.

The first run I did of Fallout 4 (not that long ago) I played a woman, due to as you state just how dangerous it would be for a lone wandering female in the Wastelands, I did that to stress test my Game ... Started her with the vanilla start, but not as Shauns mother, a young woman dazed, confused, naive, lost and completely vunerable...thus a lot of sex ensued, as she was repeatedly caught and raped, gang banged, assaulted randomly, harrassment, couldn't sleep safely anywhere, etc...traumatized by it all, hit Mindbreak, etc...I figured with so many scripts firing so often it would be a good stress test on the Game, that's one way to do I suppose O.o

May I ask which Mod you speak of gives a male a bad reputation? I do use Sex Attributes, it's great with Provocative Perks when playing a female ...despite the fact Sex Attibutes is built for female PC's only, I have been putting it to good use with an aggressive male PC, I finally worked out how to tweak the settings to make it work for him

I have been using Crime and Punishment and it was letting me down, not registering any bad karma deeds, only good, but I hit Debug on it yesterday and now it's working like a charm, his Assaults are finally registering ...I am RP'ing a Raider (Start Me Up Mod), using Nuka World as the base story in my Game, his highly pragmatic, very little empathy and with psychopathic tendencies... murder, rape, assault, theft, battle and enslaving others are his daily life, very brutal. Which is funny is I have never been able to go further than an Amoral character, could never do evil or cruel so I have never played such a character, but to be honest I'm actually enjoying the hell out of him O.o ...took me many numbers of restarts of the game before I could actually RP him though haha, but I got there

 

 

I never real play a bad person even in a guy playthrough (which is the only realistic way you could anyway)

As for the mod yes I was thinking of crime and punishment.

I also use a sex balance mod , I make raiders 100% men, Minutemen, well they are men, and the Brotherhood of steel, I set as men also. Settlementrs I set as 60/40 in favor of female because settlements would lose  alot of men due to settlement defensive fighting, risky occupations (hunter) and young men leaving to join either raiders or minutemen.

 

I cant seem to get the alternate start to work properly again where I can pick a new identity. That way i can ignore the main quest.

[Mrs Taewa]

21 minutes ago, katrina.balanchuk said:

 

I never real play a bad person even in a guy playthrough (which is the only realistic way you could anyway)

As for the mod yes I was thinking of crime and punishment.

I also use a sex balance mod , I make raiders 100% men, Minutemen, well they are men, and the Brotherhood of steel, I set as men also. Settlementrs I set as 60/40 in favor of female because settlements would lose  alot of men due to settlement defensive fighting, risky occupations (hunter) and young men leaving to join either raiders or minutemen.

 

I cant seem to get the alternate start to work properly again where I can pick a new identity. That way i can ignore the main quest.

It's a real shame 'Start Me Up' bugs out on you ...truth is I didn't bother to play FO4 until I became aware of 'Start Me Up Redux', I just had absolutley zero interest in someone looking for their child (I'm a Mother of three Daughters and a Grandmother of one Grandson irl, but I play my RP Games to create stories, not a reflection of me )...If you can ever get the Mod to work in your Game it's well worth it

Katrina, do you build Settlements? I am very new to it and trying to build Strongholds throughout the Commonweath for my Raiders, I'm learning as I go O.o ...May I ask if you have any suggestions for any good but low key Mods you would recommend?...Sims Settlements too big for my interest, plus Raiders don't need quite that much love lol ...And do you have any pointers on building successful Settlements?

[katrina.balanchuk]

14 minutes ago, Mrs Taewa said:

It's a real shame 'Start Me Up' bugs out on you ...truth is I didn't bother to play FO4 until I became aware of 'Start Me Up Redux', I just had absolutley zero interest in someone looking for their child (I'm a Mother of three Daughters and a Grandmother of one Grandson irl, but I play my RP Games to create stories, not a reflection of me )...If you can ever get the Mod to work in your Game it's well worth it

Katrina, do you build Settlements? I am very new to it and trying to build Strongholds throughout the Commonweath for my Raiders, I'm learning as I go O.o ...May I ask if you have any suggestions for any good but low key Mods you would recommend?...Sims Settlements too big for my interest, plus Raiders don't need quite that much love lol ...And do you have any pointers on building successful Settlements?

 

I built an empire of settlements in my guy-hero playthroughs, but not in my Nora playthroughs.

 

I must confess I use cheat console to get myself the resources, the theory is, I have access to a vault and the thuge amounts of components in there.

 

Homemaker is a huge provider of settlement objects:

Homemaker - Expanded Settlements at Fallout 4 Nexus - Mods and community (nexusmods.com)

 

I dont enjoy wiring up settlements so I either dont bother with the powered turrets and stick to heavy machine gun turrets as my maximum or I down load settlement gizmo but just use the electricity only option ( or the cheating would become immersive). Once that is installed you can put lights anywhere.

 

With cheat console you can spawn settlers too.

Better settlers, 

Better settler dialogues 

are some other settlement mods

Transfer settlement blueprints is a biggie, that way you dont have to build the same place over and over on each playthrough just build one really nice and copy it to another playthrough.

Workshop framework allows you to manage your Settlement size too, so you can make truly big ones.

On Nexus a lot of blueprints are available but be sure to look the requirements up too.

 

 On my biggest playthrough as a guuy-hero i have 35 settlements and many over 30 settlers.

Edited March 31, 2024 by katrina.balanchuk

[Mrs Taewa]

Taking a look, thank you ...Yes, I have just been consoling the resources also, I have no interest in spending good game time hunting for Springs, Steel, Wood, etc...same with the food as Raiders are unhappy if farming, I have been consoling food for them while my PC hunts for Settler Slaves using Commonwealth Captives alongside Just Business, he puts them to work on Crops, plus the threatening nearby farms into producing for the Raiders also, once the food production is up then no more consoling food

I do have Workshop Framework for another Mod I'm using, but I'm not really interested in big or fancy, I'm going with very rustic and rough to suit the Raider theme

[NotKinkyEnough]

I have thought I need to learn modding and never do, there are some changes which could help make this more immersive.

for NPC on PC or NPC events, it would be nice if the morality weight system from sexual harassment could affect both surrender outcomes and spectator actions. I seem to recall in skyrim mods a chance for people to intervene and attack SAers in the act. So something like that would help.

 

then have a SPID style way to set weights for morality based on faction.

 

at surrender, morality decides whether SA occurs or just robbery and abandoning the player somewhere. So you could make settlers more likely to be decent for example.

 

when witnessing or spectating, npcs might intervene, or just run for help if they are less powerful than the attackers, if the witness has decency.

 

a fuller system might see decent morality people offering to help traumatised people, with healing, moral support, sharing items like clothes. Decent vendors offering a discount based on trauma levels. Even dialog changes would help, like, minutemen stating that this is why they chose to defend people, etc.

[Mrs Taewa]

On 4/2/2024 at 9:00 AM, NotKinkyEnough said:

I have thought I need to learn modding and never do, there are some changes which could help make this more immersive.

for NPC on PC or NPC events, it would be nice if the morality weight system from sexual harassment could affect both surrender outcomes and spectator actions. I seem to recall in skyrim mods a chance for people to intervene and attack SAers in the act. So something like that would help.

 

then have a SPID style way to set weights for morality based on faction.

 

at surrender, morality decides whether SA occurs or just robbery and abandoning the player somewhere. So you could make settlers more likely to be decent for example.

 

when witnessing or spectating, npcs might intervene, or just run for help if they are less powerful than the attackers, if the witness has decency.

 

a fuller system might see decent morality people offering to help traumatised people, with healing, moral support, sharing items like clothes. Decent vendors offering a discount based on trauma levels. Even dialog changes would help, like, minutemen stating that this is why they chose to defend people, etc.

From what I understand, that would require a lot of scripting. I wouldn't mind seeing something like that myself and yes, I use that Mod in Skyrim. Personally I would want the system to effect the PC whether they are the victim or perpertrator, as it works in the Skyrim Mod, so as the victim you are possibly helped and as the perpertrator you're attacked.