MXR honest review

[Kraven12]

 

 

Hopefully this may end the debate. 

[Trykz]

All I will say is this:

 

If you are NOT playing Starfield from a NVMe SSD, then I don't wanna hear any crying.

My rig is FAR from top shelf. I didn't have an NVMe drive, and my initial experience

royally sucked. Glitchy audio, random freezing (no crashes though), audio desync, and

I had to turn EVERYTHING down to low.

 

Ordered a "less than top shelf" 2Tb NVMe SSD from Amazon for $71.00 with tax.

Literally installed, initialized, and formatted in NTFS about one hour ago. Moved

Starfield to it and did nothing else.

 

NOW......

 

I have EVERYTHING set to MAX, and the game runs smooth as glass.

 

So start there. If your rig doesn't have one of these (or worse, provision for one)

you're pissing in the wind because your rig is going to have a real problem running Starfield.

 

This ain't Skyrim, Fallout 4, or anything else you've played before. It's VERY demanding

when it comes to hardware. The SSD in particular.

 

My rig's specs:

 

Device name    XXXX
Processor    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz   3.19 GHz
Installed RAM    48.0 GB
System type    64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

Aorus GeForce RTX 3060

ASRock BM360 IB-R1 Mobo

43" Spectre Super Ultra-Wide 32:9
 

Not much top shelf there. But it's running Starfield perfectly from the new SSD.

And that's literally ALL I upgraded.

[AmyTheSwann]

37 minutes ago, Trykz said:

If you are NOT playing Starfield from a NVMe SSD, then I don't wanna hear any crying.

 

.. I mean, an SSD IS listed as a minimum requirement so I'm not sure who'd be surprised by that.

Edited September 7, 2023 by AmyTheSwann
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[bjornk]

Honest ≠ Unbiased

[Plaguetard2.0]

11 hours ago, Trykz said:

All I will say is this:

 

If you are NOT playing Starfield from a NVMe SSD, then I don't wanna hear any crying.

 

 

If you are playing any 64-bit game not on an SSD (I don't even own HDD anymore) you should really reevaluate your choices in life. From Skyrim SE, to Fallout 4, to lots of other 64-bit games, the performance is MASSIVE from HDD to SSD. I'd suggest transferring over if you have a few dollars to spend. SSDs really aren't that expensive anymore compared to a few years back.

[Gameplayer]

Nvme is not same thing as ssd.

 

So because the box says ssd, how do players explain you need a "nvme ssd" and not a "SATA ssd"

 

Kind of sad because that is exactly what a lot of players are thinking will do fine a SATA ssd.

[Varithina]

2 hours ago, Plaguetard2.0 said:

 

If you are playing any 64-bit game not on an SSD (I don't even own HDD anymore) you should really reevaluate your choices in life. From Skyrim SE, to Fallout 4, to lots of other 64-bit games, the performance is MASSIVE from HDD to SSD. I'd suggest transferring over if you have a few dollars to spend. SSDs really aren't that expensive anymore compared to a few years back.

 

That depends on how much and how many normal HDD you have in your system, I have 4 10tb iron wolf pro's and replacing them with the cheapest SSD my normal source offers would cost me around £180 each, so I would need 10 of them, total £1800 so not that cheap, I do however have 2 4tb SSD in the same machines, and to be honest, older games like skyrim and fallout 4 should work fine on HDD, that fact they do not or are slow as hell to load or do things says they have something seriously wrong with their coding, as I remember both of those games working fine from HHD a couple of years ago, the decline in performance over the years says that it has either been done deliberately or by accident with borked coding.

[Angrybird]

Sad cope video from someone who had been waiting for a Bethesda for years.

[Snoopy911]

14 hours ago, Trykz said:

All I will say is this:

 

If you are NOT playing Starfield from a NVMe SSD, then I don't wanna hear any crying.

...

My machine is a little bit older than yours. Installed on SSD right away, playing for 60 hours now, no issues at all.

If you play the game a little bit the SSD makes sense. You will change locations so many times and most are quite different, means no resources to reuse. Unless you just enter a house within a bigger area keeping the old stuff in memory makes little sense and there will be a lot of stuff to load all the time.

[Darkening Demise]

I used to love MXR back in the day. But then he relied too much on the adult content for views and his channel was hit by Youtube.

Then he abandoned the channel for react content.....the laziest thign ever. Surprised to see him back after everything.

[DDetrix]

Nice to see parts of the game are not terrible. Although, I'd like to run around with cbbe/fusiongirl/whatever the mesh is with physics. I'd like to bodyslide and create new spacesuits that allow the females personalities to shine. 

 

Playing it now, kind of spoils the adventure later. 

 

I'd love to know if body slider outfit design is possible. Creating new armors was half the fun for me in fallout/skyrim.

[Snoopy911]

2 hours ago, DDetrix said:

...Playing it now, kind of spoils the adventure later....

No problem for me. Never managed to finish skyrim or fallout, always new mods to try out, start new games...

60 Hours in starfield now and think i have seen ... well, no idea, 20% perhaps. Also only doing only the obvious stuff at the moment concentrating on the major quest lines.

Even the planets with the bigger hubs where i spent a lot of time have settlements i never visited.

If you play it now there should still be more than enough to discover if you start another round or another or another :).

[Trykz]

5 hours ago, Gameplayer said:

Nvme is not same thing as ssd.

 

So because the box says ssd, how do players explain you need a "nvme ssd" and not a "SATA ssd"

 

Kind of sad because that is exactly what a lot of players are thinking will do fine a SATA ssd.

 

Fair point. Bethesda wasn't really clear on that.

 

I should note though, that all my games WERE on a SATA SSD. Once I got the tip about going with a NVMe, I

figured that's where my bottleneck was. I moved Starfield back to the SATA today, then moved my entire Steam

library, AND my system and OS drives to the new NVMe. Before yesterday, I was pretty illiterate about the whole

difference between drives and such.

 

I was thankful that my MOBO had a slot. Because all my games run much better now.

 

I have also heard that a NVMe drive in an external USB enclosure will suffice.

[DDetrix]

16 hours ago, Snoopy911 said:

No problem for me. Never managed to finish skyrim or fallout, always new mods to try out, start new games...

60 Hours in starfield now and think i have seen ... well, no idea, 20% perhaps. Also only doing only the obvious stuff at the moment concentrating on the major quest lines.

Even the planets with the bigger hubs where i spent a lot of time have settlements i never visited.

If you play it now there should still be more than enough to discover if you start another round or another or another :).

 

Good for you but look at the example given. It's safe. I think that's part of Fallout NV charm, parts of that game are taboo topics. Legion was bad but you could rationalize them. Everything about Starfield is safe and boring. Look at the fiction Dune; it didn't start with alien invasion or big explosions but each faction had so much intrigue. 

 

Competing coffee shops? Yea, for the first time it could be kind of cute.  Can you even sneak kill the rival? Fallout 4 quests were very much the same. "My daughter died, can you get her locket?". I remember Fallout 2 letting you be a porn star without mods.  When quests were not out right boring, they had that cheesy corporate messaging. Some folks just eat that crap up, not sure if it's lack of real life experience or what.

 

 

[Plaguetard2.0]

On 9/7/2023 at 1:32 PM, Varithina said:

 

That depends on how much and how many normal HDD you have in your system, I have 4 10tb iron wolf pro's and replacing them with the cheapest SSD my normal source offers would cost me around £180 each, so I would need 10 of them, total £1800 so not that cheap, I do however have 2 4tb SSD in the same machines, and to be honest, older games like skyrim and fallout 4 should work fine on HDD, that fact they do not or are slow as hell to load or do things says they have something seriously wrong with their coding, as I remember both of those games working fine from HHD a couple of years ago, the decline in performance over the years says that it has either been done deliberately or by accident with borked coding.

 

That is an unusually large amount of space, you are definitely an outlier on your space requirements, lol. However, if you need that much space, then yeah, I could see why you would want HDD. You'd likely have to replace with external SSDs on top of that for that many drives, though perhaps some sort of high end drive (and probably very expensive) makes a 10tb SSD (I have certainly never seen one, but I doubt they are on standard PC shopping pages).

 

I'm surprised to hear you say that both ran fine, as I'm assuming you modded both Skyrim SE or FO4. There are lots, and lots, (and still more lots) of posts on this forum and other modding forums about load time issues for both games, and the answer was always the same. By default, both worked decently but not fantastic. Once modded, both had very long loading times between games. It is has been a well-known issue.

 

There are plenty of technical articles about why 64-bit games should be run on SSD, and not HDD for performance. So, based on the simple performance difference, regardless of game creator or opinion, it remains to be that 64-bit games should definitely be run on SSDs unless you have the patience of a saint regarding performance issues, especially for long load times. Advising someone of anything else is just bad advice, and again, these forums and resolved issues and lots (and I mean LOTS) of tech literature just disagrees with running them on HDD.

[Varithina]

6 hours ago, Plaguetard2.0 said:

 

That is an unusually large amount of space, you are definitely an outlier on your space requirements, lol. However, if you need that much space, then yeah, I could see why you would want HDD. You'd likely have to replace with external SSDs on top of that for that many drives, though perhaps some sort of high end drive (and probably very expensive) makes a 10tb SSD (I have certainly never seen one, but I doubt they are on standard PC shopping pages).

 

I'm surprised to hear you say that both ran fine, as I'm assuming you modded both Skyrim SE or FO4. There are lots, and lots, (and still more lots) of posts on this forum and other modding forums about load time issues for both games, and the answer was always the same. By default, both worked decently but not fantastic. Once modded, both had very long loading times between games. It is has been a well-known issue.

 

There are plenty of technical articles about why 64-bit games should be run on SSD, and not HDD for performance. So, based on the simple performance difference, regardless of game creator or opinion, it remains to be that 64-bit games should definitely be run on SSDs unless you have the patience of a saint regarding performance issues, especially for long load times. Advising someone of anything else is just bad advice, and again, these forums and resolved issues and lots (and I mean LOTS) of tech literature just disagrees with running them on HDD.

 

Long loading times were not always a problem with either game, they are something that has creeped into them over the last, hmm three or four years would be my best guess, sure loading times have been a bit slow on modded games, but they have got much much longer in that time period, why no idea, but I have noticed it, though to be honest loading times, as long as they are not stupidly long do not really bother me, it is a chance to go off and refresh my drinks, go to the toilet, or do what ever for a couple of minutes.

 

As for space, yeh I know but I hate uninstalling games or deleting stuff, and I keep archives of all my games mods as backups, as well as videos, music, books etc, etc.  I have mods for morrowind, battlespire and countless other games I have played, and I always tend to go I will archive them off onto whatever, and never do, so they just sit on my hdd.

[AmyTheSwann]

On 9/7/2023 at 7:29 PM, Gameplayer said:

Nvme is not same thing as ssd.

 

So because the box says ssd, how do players explain you need a "nvme ssd" and not a "SATA ssd"

 

Kind of sad because that is exactly what a lot of players are thinking will do fine a SATA ssd.

I have it on a sata SSD and don't experience any issues, it runs perfectly fine.

No hardware is born the same, if you buy a shit ssd, expect shit performance. But it's complete overkill to say it HAS to be an nvme when it doesn't.

[bogonistan]

On 9/7/2023 at 10:29 AM, Gameplayer said:

Nvme is not same thing as ssd.

 

So because the box says ssd, how do players explain you need a "nvme ssd" and not a "SATA ssd"

 

Kind of sad because that is exactly what a lot of players are thinking will do fine a SATA ssd.

Interesting. Im running SATA SSD and the game is running great. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[bogonistan]

5 hours ago, AmyTheSwann said:

I have it on a sata SSD and don't experience any issues, it runs perfectly fine.

No hardware is born the same, if you buy a shit ssd, expect shit performance. But it's complete overkill to say it HAS to be an nvme when it doesn't.

Derp. didnt read far enough in the thread. ya beat me to it

 

[sen4mi]

On 9/7/2023 at 12:04 AM, bjornk said:

Honest ≠ Unbiased

 

It's generally a good idea to be aware of the bias implicit in descriptions, yes.

 

But, of course, this also applies to criticisms and whines and trash talk - all of which carry their own biases.

[vallixas]

My thoughts exactly. I'm nearly 200 hours in and haven't touched the main story yet. If you were big on exploration in Skyrim or Fallout. This game blows them both out of the water on that front. The diversity in locations, interiors, exteriors, dungeons. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by vallixas