Hinin Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 Hi. I've searched around a bit haven't found many similar topics or solutions that work for me. I took a break from the game and decided to get into it again. Before doing that, I cleared out all my saves and uninstalled/removed several mods/plugins since I wanted to shorten/simplify my load order. I cannot start a new character because when I try to start a new game, it crashes. Specifically what happens is I get to the loading screen, the music even changes and I can even briefly see the sneak indicator, but at 10% of the loading bar the game becomes unresponsive immediately and has to be shut down. Loading an old save also crashes, but that's obviously because of missing master files. The last things I did before trying to start a new game was remove some old plugins and installed 3 things. Those things are LAPF 1.1, an encumbrace & fatigue mod, and an obse plugin. I retraced some of my steps but removing the last 2 didn't solve it and as far as LAPF goes, the esps are like the old ones and were where they always were in my load order. Wrye bash doesn't show errors or missing masters. I also checked through TES4Edit if any plugins were perhaps referring to missing files, I looked at my load order over and over, but nothing really stands out to me. I have a feeling it might be something really small like an ini tweak or something, but I've retraced most of my steps already. Load order: 00 oblivion.esm01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm02 x117race.esm03 Lovers with PK.esm04 TamagoClub.esm05 HiyokoClub.esm06 LoversCreature.esm07 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.3]08 DLCShiveringIsles.esp09 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.2]++ USIPS Additional Changes.esp** MOBS SI.esp [Version 2.0]0A MOBS SI Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.2.2a]0B Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp++ Symphony of Violence.esp0C P1DseeYouSleep.esp0D Camping.esp0E Living Economy.esp0F Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul.esp [Version 3.2.2]10 Spell Delete.esp11 Streamline 3.1.esp12 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp13 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]** Mehrunes_MOBS.esp [Version 2.0]** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp14 Knights.esp15 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.3]** EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp** Knights_MOBS.esp [Version 2.0]16 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp17 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]18 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 5.3.2]19 Jhaerik's Dungeon Fog Remover.esp1A TamagoNews.esp1B LoversTamagoClub.esp1C LoversHiyokoShooter.esp1D HiyokoGenerator.esp1E HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp1F TamagoSetBody.esp20 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp21 LoversRaperS.esp22 LoversBed.esp23 Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96v4a]24 LoversCreature.esp25 PlayerSlaveEncounters.esp26 Soulgem Magic.esp [Version 2.0]27 SM Encumbrance and Fatigue.esp [Version 2.6]28 Basic Primary Needs.esp [Version 6.2.1]29 Advanced Magecraft.esp2A SetBody.esp2B AutoSetBody.esp++ Maethlin's Skilltweak.esp2C SD Skill Diary.esp [Version 2.3]** Woman's Move - Animation Replacer.esp2D x117race.esp++ x117Race ENG Race.esp2E Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp** Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++ Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp++ Maethlin's Marksmanship 3x.esp++ Replacer - Blackwood (mergeable).esp++ Replacer - Dwarven (mergeable).esp++ nu_female_player_idle.esp2F Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.0]30 MiniMap.esp31 Merged Items.esp32 Bashed Patch, Oblivion.esp33 MadCompanionshipSpells.esp [Version 2.5]34 MCS extension.esp35 LoversMB2.esp36 Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp37 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp38 Lovers3dorgasm.esp39 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp3A BreakArmor.esp [Version 1.10.f]3B Unequip Broken Armor.esp [Version 2.8.2] A few things I should point out here: - The 'merged items' plugin is a custom esp I made to combine a few item mods so that they don't make changes to the world or do other stuff. I'd just have to console the items I want. Removing it didn't help. - BreakArmor and Unequip Broken Armor seem unnecessary to have together. True, but a while back I was experimenting with them and that's why they were/are at the bottom. Removing both or either of them, or putting them in their right order didn't help. In advance, thanks for you time.
gregathit Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 These need to be below the MBP plugins and not above them: 2D x117race.esp ++ x117Race ENG Race.esp 2E Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp This is probably why you can't start. Stuff like this should be up above Lovers\Tamago and not below it. ++ Maethlin's Skilltweak.esp 2C SD Skill Diary.esp [Version 2.3] ++ Maethlin's Marksmanship 3x.esp ++ Replacer - Blackwood (mergeable).esp ++ Replacer - Dwarven (mergeable).esp 33 MadCompanionshipSpells.esp [Version 2.5] 34 MCS extension.esp 3A BreakArmor.esp [Version 1.10.f] 3B Unequip Broken Armor.esp [Version 2.8.2] 30 MiniMap.esp 31 Merged Items.esp 2F Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.0] These may be conflicting: ** Woman's Move - Animation Replacer.esp ++ nu_female_player_idle.esp If this changes nif files then it is a NO, NO to be using with Lovers Creatures: ++ Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp This potentially could mess with LPK. Keep an eye on it just in case: 27 SM Encumbrance and Fatigue.esp [Version 2.6] The above changes will require you to rebuild your bashed patch. Make sure you disable all Lovers\Tamago club esp AND esm files before rebuilding your bashed patch! As to you removing stuff to test, you did rebuild your bashed patch when you removed stuff right? If not then the error could still have been active through it and that is why you kept crashing.
Hinin Posted September 27, 2013 Author Posted September 27, 2013 Thanks for the reply. However, before my post received a reply, I did already clean out all my mods and return everything back to standard. I'm in the process of reactivating mods, few at a time, rebuilding the bashed patch and testing. I haven't reactivated everything I wanted yet, but doing it this way you can pretty much assume the problem solved. There are a few thing's I'd like to point out still though. These need to be below the MBP plugins and not above them: 2D x117race.esp ++ x117Race ENG Race.esp 2E Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp This is probably why you can't start. I can't confirm if this was the cause. I have in the past started, multiple times, with those plugins in that order, but I'm aware conflicts can manifest under the right times. The official LL load order doesn't mention these 3, even though they're added by the same Mbp++ mod. These may be conflicting: ** Woman's Move - Animation Replacer.esp ++ nu_female_player_idle.esp They handle separate animations and don't affect each other. If this changes nif files then it is a NO, NO to be using with Lovers Creatures: ++ Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp The name is probably confusing, it's texture/mesh improvements for khajiits and argonians. This potentially could mess with LPK. Keep an eye on it just in case: 27 SM Encumbrance and Fatigue.esp [Version 2.6] Didn't have the chance to try it out, but I'll keep it in mind or maybe ask around for an alternative then. Any specific suspicion why or how? In addition to the 3 points above, I've made it a habbit from the start to rebuild a bashed/merged patch after any relevant change as well as opening mods up in tes4edit (or any other version) to see what it really does. I do indeed disable LL/tamago plugins before rebuilding. In any case, thanks for the assistance. I'll make sure to remember the load order points, and maybe post my next load order to see if it's in order.
gregathit Posted September 27, 2013 Posted September 27, 2013 Any mesh replacements could be problematic with Lovers regarding the Argonian and Khajiits: 1. If it changes their skeleton then it won't be compatible with the LAPF. 2. If it changes their nude body meshes too much then it will have gaps\seams when having sex. While this won't cause crashes, it doesn't look all that great. The x117 stuff isn't mentioned as no Lovers or Tamago plugins use it that I am aware of. The load order is only kept for Lovers\Tamago plugins and a few of their dependents. BOSS and following the recommendations of the plugin maker should take care of the rest of your Load Order. Best of luck to you.
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