JDaniels Posted August 30, 2013 Posted August 30, 2013 The Troll, Ogre, Scamp, Goblin, and Imp models spawned in the world are invisible. It's frustrating not only for want of the action, but have you tried fighting an Imp or Troll that was 100% invisible? At least the Scamp and Ogres still have floating heads. Goblins are just missing legs. The BSA files are intact (Hell, I used them to replace some other issues) and the core game files are all present and accounted for, uncorrupted. I'm not sure why the summoned creatures work fine, when the ones in the overworld/dungeons are all borked. I've tried a variety of workarounds. The best I've managed is to fix the summoned creatures (plugged in some OSM meshes to get rid of the futa business). Oddly enough, the Goblins placed via Damsels in Distress are working just fine. Additionally, I am experiencing some intermittent crashing. It seems almost random, oftentimes shortly after entering a dungeon or certain areas of the overworld - then sometimes just at random. I don't have errors on bootup and I rarely crash on exit. Though, when this game crashes, it crashes hard. I have to ctrl+alt+delete and pull up task manager just to regain control of my mouse. I'm not sure which of these mods is the culprit. The only complaint I am getting is from BUEequipsmerge which nags about the re-ordering of it's masters. All in all, the game functions well otherwise. Active Mod Files: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 02 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm 03 Lovers with PK.esm 04 BreakUndies.esm 05 LoversCreature.esm 06 x117race.esm 07 ShieldOnBack.esm [Version 3.4.1] 08 UndiesUnderneath.esm 09 BUDungeon.esm 0A EURN.esp 0B RaceCompatibilityForEurn.esp 0C MbpGirlAltmer.esp 0D MbpGirlBosmer.esp 0E MbpGirlBreton.esp 0F MbpGirlImp.esp 10 MbpGirlKhajiit.esp 11 MbpGirlNord.esp 12 MbpGirlRed.esp 13 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 14 Damsels In Distress.esp 15 the punished girlbox.esp 16 DLCHorseArmor.esp 17 DLCOrrery.esp 18 DLCVileLair.esp 19 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp 1A DLCSpellTomes.esp 1B MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp 1C VipCxj_HighHeels.esp 1D VipCxjHHTest.esp 1E DLCThievesDen.esp 1F Kvatch Rebuilt.esp 20 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp 21 DLCFrostcrag.esp 22 Knights.esp 23 MONSTERGIRL-ANGELICALLIANCE.esp 24 MONSTERGIRL-DEMON HIVE.esp 25 MONSTERGIRL-AMAZON.esp 26 MONSTERGIRL-NECROMANCER MOON.esp 27 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 5.3.2] 28 DynamicFootPosition.esp 29 BUDungeonCore.esp 2A BUDequipmentNA.esp 2B BUEquipsMerge.esp 2C BUDungeonAppend.esp 2D BUDSercen.esp 2E LoversAdultYield.esp 2F LoversCalm.esp 30 LoversSoundCreature.esp [Version 0.1.0] 31 LoversFSE.esp 32 LoversHudInformation.esp [Version 1.02] 33 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 34 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp 35 LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp 36 LoversRaperS.esp 37 LoversBed.esp 38 LoversPayBandit.esp 39 LoversPower.esp 3A Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96] 3B LoversCreature.esp 3C Lovers with PK Extender.esp [Version 2.4.3] 3D LoversCreatureVoiceForceEnabler.esp 3E LoversStopCombatEx.esp 3F LoversSpermSplashEx.esp 40 LoversUtilityFunctions.esp 41 LoversClubCats.esp 42 LoversClubCatsSx.esp 43 LoversImmoralGuards.esp 44 LoversImmoralSisters.esp 45 Alternative Beginnings.esp [Version 1.3] 46 Alternative Beginnings - Kvatch Intact.esp [Version 1.3] 47 GalerionUnarmoredAcrobatics.esp 48 SetBody.esp 49 SDR_Core.esp [Version 4.4.1] ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp ** Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseA00 Hair Modules.esp ++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp 4A Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp 4B Dremora Females.esp 4C DMRA BBB Complete Clothing and Armor Replacer.esp 4D DMRA Stock Robe Replacer.esp 4E DMRA Stock Armor Skimpy.esp 4F DMRA Skimpy Armor Expanded.esp 50 DMRA BBB Knights of the Nine Replacer.esp 51 remake.esp 52 Waywards.esp 53 Hear-Me-Not.esp [Version 1.02] 54 FormID Finder4.esp 55 Real_Mannequin.esp 56 homura outfit HGEC.esp 57 Lady Flirt.esp 58 Edhildils Seductive Poison Armors.esp 59 DMwardropemerged.esp 5A DMwardropemergednoenchant.esp 5B 77_Umpa_Sexy_walk.esp 5C DMRAdarklightmithrilarmor.esp 5D LadyFantasyBBBHVer.esp 5E Flame Atronach Armor.esp ** Colourwheels Sexy Imperial Legion.esp ++ LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp ++ LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp 5F Bashed Patch, 0.esp 60 LoversMB2.esp 61 Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp 62 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp 63 Lovers3dorgasm.esp 64 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
gregathit Posted August 30, 2013 Posted August 30, 2013 Did you get your lovers plugins from here or Hongfire? If you got them from here, then it sounds like you only installed one of the 2 parts of Lovers Creatures 2.0. You need both parts or you will be missing stuff. If you got your lovers plugin from Hongfire then there is nothing we can do for you. Our plugins are for the most part not compatible with theirs. Different versions and different translations. Mixing plugins from here and there is a sure fire way to completely jack up your game. You'd need to go back to Hongfire and get them to help you. Other notes: BU dungeons is a VERY buggy and unreliable plugin. I recommend installing Hentai Mania instead as it is much more stable. The Monstergirl plugins also are a mite twitchy. Some are missing resource files. If you are not adept at hunting that stuff down then they might be more trouble than they are worth. I noticed you do have FormID Finder, so you need to probably use that to figure out where the meshes that are missing are actually coming from. Once you figure out what plugin is causing the 100% invisible creatures, it will be easier to track things down. Also, don't forget to archive invalidate via bsa redirection!!!!
JDaniels Posted August 30, 2013 Author Posted August 30, 2013 If you got your lovers plugin from Hongfire then there is nothing we can do for you. Our plugins are for the most part not compatible with theirs. Different versions and different translations. Mixing plugins from here and there is a sure fire way to completely jack up your game. You'd need to go back to Hongfire and get them to help you. Other notes: BU dungeons is a VERY buggy and unreliable plugin. I recommend installing Hentai Mania instead as it is much more stable. The Monstergirl plugins also are a mite twitchy. Some are missing resource files. If you are not adept at hunting that stuff down then they might be more trouble than they are worth. I noticed you do have FormID Finder, so you need to probably use that to figure out where the meshes that are missing are actually coming from. Once you figure out what plugin is causing the 100% invisible creatures, it will be easier to track things down. Also, don't forget to archive invalidate via bsa redirection!!!! Seems I have alot of re-installing to do. Bunch of what I have is from hongfire. Ended up migrating here to pick up other plugins and updates since alot of what was in their package was outdated or things I didn't use. (notably, the Loverscreatures plugin I picked up from here when I first noticed the problem. Not sure what I am missing, there was only one file in the zip). Edit2: After looking, what I installed was the DMRA BBB Complete pack from here. All in all, the only files I have from the original hongfire file are a number of the Lovers plugins and MBP, which I will swap out shortly. Oddly enough, FormID doesn't identify a specific plugin for the invisible creatures (or maybe I am targeting the wrong part of them?). I am particularly curious about how the overworld remains bugged while the plugins aren't. The original files are there, I had to copy them to help fix the other stuff. If there aren't any other glaring problems, I'll start swapping and see if that helps general stability. Monstergirl plugins are...Yeah, odd. It's a novelty, if not only because the oft-glitched girls are oddly fitting at times. Didn't notice it making things unstable though. BU dungeons is kinda wonky, but I didn't notice it going unstable - and it didn't stop the intermittent crashing when it was uninstalled. I know that Wyrebash is supposed to do this automatically, but I've run through BSA redirection manually just in case. Will see what updating/dumping some of the mods does for the stability. Not sure where to ID the invisible creature issue though.
gregathit Posted August 30, 2013 Posted August 30, 2013 Lovers creatures 2.0 has two parts to download and install. Check the downloads page again and you will see "part 1" and "part 2" 7zip files. You must download and install both parts or you will be missing things. Direct link to download page: http://www.loverslab.com/files/download/78-lovers-creatures-20/ Lovers creatures 2.0 also requires you install either the latest rev96 (v2) from the Lovers Base Pack: http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/3-lovers-with-pk/ or the Animated Penis Base pack (rev96v4): http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/184-lovers-animated-penis-base-pack/ Without having the correct Lovers with PK esp file (comes from the base pack) then you don't get the full benefits of Lovers Creatures 2.0. This is just one reason we do NOT recommend folks mix and match plugins from Hongfire with ours. You might try the Monstergirls - CoC version here as an alternative: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/19572-monster-girl-coc-13-patch-11082013/ If all that fails then you can try grabbing refscope from the Nexus. It gives much more information, including what esm\esp file a mod comes from, than FormID Finder. Cheers, Greg
JDaniels Posted August 30, 2013 Author Posted August 30, 2013 Alright. Round two. Good news is that I seem to be running alot more stable now. Bad news is that I still have the invisible worldspawn imps/ogres/etc. I am currently running with all Creature 2.0 files from this site. Tested in summoned creatures (again working fine) vs a random imp encounter from running around for a bit. ID on the invisible imp body states that the file is creatures/meshes/imp/skeleton.nif. Far as I can tell, that file is still there. This is peculiar. For instance, when I pull up an ID on the new monstergirls, I get a full readout of what meshes are missing and where they are supposed to be. Edit: Removed the sexualorgans mods. Not sure where they came from and they don't seem to affect any functionality. Active Mod Files: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 02 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm 03 Lovers with PK.esm 04 LoversCreature.esm 05 x117race.esm 06 ShieldOnBack.esm [Version 3.4.1] 07 Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35] 08 EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp 09 EnchantmentRestore.esp 0A ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp 0B EURN.esp 0C RaceCompatibilityForEurn.esp 0D MbpGirlAltmer.esp 0E MbpGirlBosmer.esp 0F MbpGirlBreton.esp 10 MbpGirlImp.esp 11 MbpGirlKhajiit.esp 12 MbpGirlNord.esp 13 MbpGirlRed.esp 14 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 15 Damsels In Distress.esp 16 DLCHorseArmor.esp 17 DLCOrrery.esp 18 DLCVileLair.esp 19 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp 1A DLCSpellTomes.esp 1B MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp 1C VipCxj_HighHeels.esp 1D VipCxjHHTest.esp 1E DLCThievesDen.esp 1F Kvatch Rebuilt.esp 20 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp 21 DLCFrostcrag.esp 22 Knights.esp 23 MONSTERGIRL-CoC.esp 24 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 5.3.2] 25 DynamicFootPosition.esp 26 Hentai Mania.esp 27 HentaiMania2.esp 28 HentaiMania2_Merged_Nightmare.esp 29 HM2SummonCompatible.esp 2A LoversAdultYield.esp 2B LoversCalm.esp 2C LoversSoundCreature.esp [Version 0.1.0] 2D LoversFSE.esp 2E LoversHudInformation.esp [Version 1.02] 2F LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 30 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp 31 LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp 32 LoversRaperS.esp 33 LoversBed.esp 34 LoversPayBandit.esp 35 LoversPower.esp 36 Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96] 37 LoversCreature.esp 38 Lovers with PK Extender.esp [Version 2.4.3] 39 LoversCreatureVoiceForceEnabler.esp 3A LoversStopCombatEx.esp 3B LoversSpermSplashEx.esp 3C LoversUtilityFunctions.esp 3D LoversClubCats.esp 3E LoversClubCatsSx.esp 3F LoversImmoralGuards.esp 40 LoversImmoralSisters.esp 41 Alternative Beginnings.esp [Version 1.3] 42 Alternative Beginnings - Kvatch Intact.esp [Version 1.3] 43 GalerionUnarmoredAcrobatics.esp 44 SetBody.esp 45 SDR_Core.esp [Version 4.4.1] ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp 46 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp 47 Dremora Females.esp 48 DMRA BBB Armamentarium Complete.esp 49 ArmamentariumLL.esp [Version 1.35] 4A ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp [Version 1.35] 4B ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp [Version 1.35] 4C ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp [Version 1.35] 4D ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35] 4E DMRA BBB Complete Clothing and Armor Replacer.esp 4F DMRA Stock Robe Replacer.esp 50 DMRA Stock Armor Skimpy.esp 51 DMRA Skimpy Armor Expanded.esp 52 DMRA BBB Knights of the Nine Replacer.esp 53 remake.esp 54 Waywards.esp 55 FormID Finder4.esp 56 Real_Mannequin.esp 57 homura outfit HGEC.esp 58 Lady Flirt.esp 59 Edhildils Seductive Poison Armors.esp 5A DMwardropemerged.esp 5B DMwardropemergednoenchant.esp 5C 77_Umpa_Sexy_walk.esp 5D DMRAdarklightmithrilarmor.esp 5E LadyFantasyBBBHVer.esp 5F Flame Atronach Armor.esp ** Colourwheels Sexy Imperial Legion.esp ++ LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp ++ LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp 60 Bashed Patch, 0.esp 61 LoversMB2.esp 62 Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp 63 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp 64 Lovers3dorgasm.esp 65 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
JSmith20142 Posted August 30, 2013 Posted August 30, 2013 If you open the 'invisible' mesh with NifSkope, what is the texture path? Is that there? Granted, if missing, that would normally give you a nice pink imp, unless there's something screwy with the material property. I have had some freaky problems with texture paths that went away when I deleted the bashed patch - one reason I keep mine to an absolute minimum (not even including MBP now; yes, I know this is heresy). btw, I don't like your lovers mods being so high in the order all that much.
JDaniels Posted August 30, 2013 Author Posted August 30, 2013 NifViewer is broken. Downloaded Nifscope, extracted the Imp/Scamp/Ogre meshes and viewed them. They're all intact from what I can tell. Maybe an issue with the textures? Edit: Imp looks fine. Imp_n is mostly pink with some darkening detail, though I don't know if that is normal. Regardless, neither show up on the invisible imps throwing lightning at me. For reference, the imps are interactable. Even with Creatues. Their textures just aren't loading in at all for some reason. As for my loadorder, I'm open to suggestions. What I can say is that this is stable and functional by all accounts - save for this quirk with a few creatures.
JSmith20142 Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Yeah, are the texture paths valid? Clearly, they won't load if they aren't . If they seem ok, I'd suggest rebuilding your bashed patch with only the mods that have to be in it active, see if that makes a difference.
JDaniels Posted August 31, 2013 Author Posted August 31, 2013 Alright. I went through and did the systematic disable/load oblivion/rinse/repeat bit for every one of my mods. Eventually, it all narrowed down to about three mods. Here are the results. Creatures and Monstergirl off: Imps were visible, normal sized. Goblins and Ogres showed as normal. Scamps still fucked for some reason. Creatures off, Monstergirl on: Imps became Sprites. Even smaller models. Ogres/Goblins okay. Scamps still fucked. Creatures on, Monstergirl on: Surprisingly...Everything kinda-normal. Odd thing is that the Creatures Ogres have tiny penises clipping through their loincloths. Creatures Imps normal, Sprites carry out Imp animations for rape - hilarity ensues. Oh, Scamps still fucked with just a floating head with a penis. Creatures Trolls have a spotty mesh, they look like a moving bush with a penis. Kinda funny. Creatures on, Monstergirl off: Everything normal. Imps normal sized, hilarity w/sex animations. Goblins normal, carry out sex anims with no genitalia. Lovers Goblins naked as normal. Ogres normal, Lovers Ogres have penises clipping through loincloths. Scamps still fucked. Creatures on, Monstergirl on: ...Everything normal-ish. As above, only Imps swapped with Sprites. Odd, right? Then it hit me. Bashed Patch on: Imps fucked, Goblins fucked, Ogres fucked, Scamps still fucked - But at least I don't crash on exit. So I rebuilt the patch with everything on and ran it again. I'm not sure what changed exactly, as I had rebuilt it previously when assembling my last build order. However, some of the more annoying issues are suddenly resolved. Still working on: Scamps and Trolls. Also intermittent CTD on exit has returned. No crashing while exploring yet though..
kingkong Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 what do you mean extract (normaly you have a folder in data / meches / creatures /imp / imp.nif or imparmor.nif the same for ogre and scamp ) You do not need to extract anything it is all in the data if you installed everything correctly. all files.nif have textures path with a second textures_n called normals (what makes a 3d better vision in game ) try "fast exit 2" obse plugins for ctd in exit you might need to choose between ths scamp from monstergirl or creatues 2 when you put again the meches for it pic up also the textures that goes with
JDaniels Posted August 31, 2013 Author Posted August 31, 2013 what do you mean extract (normaly you have a folder in data / meches / creatures /imp / imp.nif or imparmor.nif the same for ogre and scamp ) You do not need to extract anything it is all in the data if you installed everything correctly. all files.nif have textures path with a second textures_n called normals (what makes a 3d better vision in game ) I meant that I opened the mesh bsa, extracted the nif files for some of the creatures having issues, then constructed a BAIN package. This was an old workaround to getting rid of the horrifying futa models in other versions of Creatures (or if you really just insist upon a male flame antronach now). This is less of an issue as I've now fully replaced all of the hongfire files. The creatures 2.0 version from LoversLab doesn't have that issue. It was a partial workaround to other invisible models until just recently when I seem to have found the problem. The issue I'm having now is that my package is now only affecting the Creatures summon monsters. I'll need another solution for the remaining issues with the world monsters.
gregathit Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Please tell me that when you rebuilt your bashed patch, you disabled ALL lovers\tamago esm\esp files first, and THEN rebuilt your bashed patch. If you didn't then you just broke LPK. To fix you will need to disable all LPK\Tamago plugins and then rebuild your bashed patch. The reason it breaks LPK is it (the bashed patch) will try to import some of the scripts.....which breaks things all to hell.
JDaniels Posted August 31, 2013 Author Posted August 31, 2013 Please tell me that when you rebuilt your bashed patch, you disabled ALL lovers\tamago esm\esp files first, and THEN rebuilt your bashed patch. If you didn't then you just broke LPK. To fix you will need to disable all LPK\Tamago plugins and then rebuild your bashed patch. The reason it breaks LPK is it (the bashed patch) will try to import some of the scripts.....which breaks things all to hell. Yeah, I learned that lesson early on. Most annoying is that unarmored acrobatics toggles on LPK so it's easy to miss. Far as I know, LPK has to be completely removed and re-installed if it ever gets bashed. I don't use tamago or many of the other related addons, so disabling the esms conveniently toggles off most of everything on my list.
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