ivraell Posted November 8, 2022 Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) I am on Skyrim AE 1.6.640 I'm not really sure when this issue began, but it's affecting every save and any new saves I create. SL Hormones is the mod I'm using that is supposed to be making changes to the breast node but is not. Estrus Chaurus+ is also supposed to do this, but also is not. I've tried with and without EC+ because I originally believed it had some conflicts with Hormones. I've posted there, but I'm not really certain anymore this is an issue with my use of DFG's mods. My CBBE 3BBB Body Amazing is not being affected by SPECIFICALLY breast morphs. I can open Racemenu and use the CBBE 3BA Morphs tab to make adjustments there just fine with the base body and any armor, but mods such as SL Hormones or Estrus Chaurus+ cannot do anything to affect breasts. These mods had debug options so I can test immediate changes to Breast/Belly/Butt/Schlongs and every one of them functions correctly EXCEPT for Breast. I've increased them to comical proportions to be sure, both in my current saves and on freshly created characters (both with and without Estrus Chaurus+ installed). There are exceptions - some vanilla armor/clothing items that I have not edited with replacer mods, such as miner clothes, do reflect changes made by these mods to the breast node. I have run BodySlide batch builds to convert these to my bodyslide presets as well, however. I used the same preset for the CBBE 3BBB Body Amazing outfit/body as well. I've reinstalled my XP32 skeleton, I've ran BodySlide multiple times while making sure the 'Build Morphs' was checked in batch builds and for specific outfits. I tried using CBBE Body instead of CBBE 3BBB Body Amazing Outfit/Body instead and encountered the same issue (while also running as Administrator). I've also made sure to Deploy Mods after making BodySlide changes. CBPC physics and SMP physics both work when I toggle between them, though I don't know if those things would even have anything to do with this. I've run Fores/Nemesis again because why not? I don't know if that would affect it at all anyway, and I'm not sure if I'm doing Fores/Nemesis at the same time correctly, but I followed a guide elsewhere and all my human and creature animations are functioning correctly. I am not sure how to figure out where the core of my problem is - I don't know if it's conflicting mods, improperly installed mods, a bad load order, and I'm not sure what else to do in order to troubleshoot what even is the issue. As a possibly related note, while trying to solve this problem, I found that while using showracemenu, none of my CBBE 3BA Morphs sliders were working RaceMenu. After a headache-inducing search for what my issue is, I found that the mod 'SSE Engine Fixes' needed a change to the EngineFixes.toml in the SKSE plugins folder to adjust Memory Manager and Scaleform Allocator both from True to False in order for my RaceMenu CBBE 3BA Morphs sliders to work ingame. I am not sure how relevant this information is since it didn't help my present issue, but it did allow me to use those sliders in RaceMenu again. I have no fucking idea why that was a thing. Below is my load order. I have a bashed patch, but it is only for Leveled Lists and I turned it off on the off chance that was doing something wonky to this issue. I don't know why so many mods as listed as 254 in the load order. RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp is below Hormones in my load order. I haven't tried moving that, but I'll probably try that after posting here. EDIT: moving Hormones below Morphs did not have any effect on my problem after a quick test. Quote 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 ccasvsse001-almsivi.esm 6 6 ccbgssse001-fish.esm 254 FE 0 ccbgssse002-exoticarrows.esl 254 FE 1 ccbgssse003-zombies.esl 254 FE 2 ccbgssse004-ruinsedge.esl 254 FE 3 ccbgssse005-goldbrand.esl 254 FE 4 ccbgssse006-stendarshammer.esl 254 FE 5 ccbgssse007-chrysamere.esl 254 FE 6 ccbgssse010-petdwarvenarmoredmudcrab.esl 254 FE 7 ccbgssse011-hrsarmrelvn.esl 254 FE 8 ccbgssse012-hrsarmrstl.esl 254 FE 9 ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl 254 FE a ccbgssse019-staffofsheogorath.esl 254 FE b ccbgssse020-graycowl.esl 254 FE c ccbgssse021-lordsmail.esl 254 FE d ccmtysse001-knightsofthenine.esl 254 FE e ccqdrsse001-survivalmode.esl 7 7 cctwbsse001-puzzledungeon.esm 8 8 cceejsse001-hstead.esm 254 FE f ccqdrsse002-firewood.esl 254 FE 10 ccbgssse018-shadowrend.esl 254 FE 11 ccbgssse035-petnhound.esl 254 FE 12 ccfsvsse001-backpacks.esl 254 FE 13 cceejsse002-tower.esl 254 FE 14 ccedhsse001-norjewel.esl 254 FE 15 ccvsvsse002-pets.esl 254 FE 16 ccbgssse037-curios.esl 254 FE 17 ccbgssse034-mntuni.esl 254 FE 18 ccbgssse045-hasedoki.esl 254 FE 19 ccbgssse008-wraithguard.esl 254 FE 1a ccbgssse036-petbwolf.esl 254 FE 1b ccffbsse001-imperialdragon.esl 254 FE 1c ccmtysse002-ve.esl 254 FE 1d ccbgssse043-crosselv.esl 254 FE 1e ccvsvsse001-winter.esl 254 FE 1f cceejsse003-hollow.esl 9 9 ccbgssse016-umbra.esm 10 a ccbgssse031-advcyrus.esm 254 FE 20 ccbgssse038-bowofshadows.esl 254 FE 21 ccbgssse040-advobgobs.esl 254 FE 22 ccbgssse050-ba_daedric.esl 254 FE 23 ccbgssse052-ba_iron.esl 254 FE 24 ccbgssse054-ba_orcish.esl 254 FE 25 ccbgssse058-ba_steel.esl 254 FE 26 ccbgssse059-ba_dragonplate.esl 254 FE 27 ccbgssse061-ba_dwarven.esl 254 FE 28 ccpewsse002-armsofchaos.esl 254 FE 29 ccbgssse041-netchleather.esl 254 FE 2a ccedhsse002-splkntset.esl 254 FE 2b ccbgssse064-ba_elven.esl 254 FE 2c ccbgssse063-ba_ebony.esl 254 FE 2d ccbgssse062-ba_dwarvenmail.esl 254 FE 2e ccbgssse060-ba_dragonscale.esl 254 FE 2f ccbgssse056-ba_silver.esl 254 FE 30 ccbgssse055-ba_orcishscaled.esl 254 FE 31 ccbgssse053-ba_leather.esl 254 FE 32 ccbgssse051-ba_daedricmail.esl 254 FE 33 ccbgssse057-ba_stalhrim.esl 254 FE 34 ccbgssse066-staves.esl 11 b ccbgssse067-daedinv.esm 254 FE 35 ccbgssse068-bloodfall.esl 254 FE 36 ccbgssse069-contest.esl 254 FE 37 ccvsvsse003-necroarts.esl 254 FE 38 ccvsvsse004-beafarmer.esl 12 c ccbgssse025-advdsgs.esm 254 FE 39 ccffbsse002-crossbowpack.esl 254 FE 3a ccbgssse013-dawnfang.esl 254 FE 3b ccrmssse001-necrohouse.esl 254 FE 3c ccedhsse003-redguard.esl 254 FE 3d cceejsse004-hall.esl 13 d cceejsse005-cave.esm 254 FE 3e cckrtsse001_altar.esl 254 FE 3f cccbhsse001-gaunt.esl 14 e ccafdsse001-dwesanctuary.esm 15 f Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp 16 10 Lanterns Of Skyrim II.esm 17 11 Campfire.esm 18 12 SexLab.esm 19 13 SexLabAroused.esm 20 14 CreatureFramework.esm 254 FE 40 Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl 21 15 High Poly Head.esm 22 16 Heels Sound.esm 254 FE 41 skymojibase.esl 254 FE 42 Lux - Master plugin.esm 254 FE 43 Lux - Resources.esp 254 FE 44 TrueHUD.esl 23 17 Devious Devices - Assets.esm 24 18 Devious Devices - Integration.esm 25 19 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 26 1a Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm 27 1b ZaZAnimationPack.esm 254 FE 45 Woodland Priestess.esl 28 1c Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 254 FE 46 [SunJeong] BloodMage.esl 29 1d SkyUI_SE.esp 30 1e SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp 31 1f Immersive Wenches.esp 32 20 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp 254 FE 47 ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp 33 21 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp 34 22 SOSRaceMenu.esp 35 23 FNIS.esp 36 24 Book Covers Skyrim.esp 37 25 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 38 26 Cutting Room Floor.esp 39 27 OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp 40 28 OBIS SE.esp 254 FE 48 OCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.esp 41 29 Immersive Encounters.esp 42 2a troublesofheroine.esp 43 2b Ambriel.esp 44 2c Odin - Skyrim Magic Overhaul.esp 45 2d SexLab-Stories.esp 46 2e MoreNastyCritters.esp 47 2f SexLab_DibellaCult.esp 48 30 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp 49 31 SexLab-Parasites.esp 50 32 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 51 33 SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp 254 FE 49 BetterQuestObjectives.esp 52 34 sanguinesDebauchery.esp 53 35 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp 54 36 Lit Road Signs.esp 55 37 ZaFromTheDeepsV2.esp 56 38 Cloaks - Player Only.esp 57 39 SexLab_Dialogues.esp 58 3a troublesofheroineDG.esp 59 3b SkyrimShroudedSecret.esp 60 3c troublesofheroineDB.esp 254 FE 4a LoS II - CRF patch.esp 254 FE 4b OCW_CRF_FEPatch.esp 61 3d Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp 62 3e Immersive Patrols II.esp 63 3f Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 64 40 SimpleSlavery.esp 65 41 Triumvirate - Mage Archetypes.esp 66 42 SunHelmSurvival.esp 254 FE 4c 3BBB.esp 67 43 SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon Horse.esp 254 FE 4d Blood Raven.esp 254 FE 4e [COCO] Anaconda [SE].esp 254 FE 4f [COCO] Witchiness [SE].esp 68 44 SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon.esp 69 45 zzEstrus.esp 254 FE 50 [immyneedscake] RyanReos Elf Paladin.esp 70 46 TOH_mannequin_penis.esp 254 FE 51 [immyneedscake] Little Danger.esp 254 FE 52 BikiniRobes_OutfitReplacerCompatibility.esp 254 FE 53 BikiniRobesStandalone.esp 71 47 KS Hairdo's.esp 72 48 SLAnimLoader.esp 73 49 Vivid WeathersSE.esp 74 4a IcePenguinWorldMap.esp 75 4b SexLabDefeat.esp 76 4c CommunityOverlays1_0T30.esp 77 4d WetFunction.esp 254 FE 54 CS_Serana.esp 254 FE 55 CS_Valerica.esp 78 4e Immersive Weapons.esp 254 FE 56 CS_Saadia.esp 254 FE 57 [Christine] Bandit Summoner.esp 79 4f AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp 80 50 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp 254 FE 58 IA_CBBE.esp 81 51 Paragliding.esp 82 52 SexLab_Hormones.esp 83 53 Deviously Enslaved.esp 84 54 ScopedBows.esp 85 55 Skyland-AIO.esp 86 56 The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp 254 FE 59 TAWOBA Remastered Leveled List.esp 87 57 PAN_NPCs_Males2.esp 88 58 PAN_NPCs_Males.esp 89 59 troublesofheroineHF.esp 90 5a ToH_ArmorReplace.esp 254 FE 5a LoS II - SMIM patch.esp 254 FE 5b LoS II - Obscure College of Winterhold patch.esp 254 FE 5c LoS II - USSEP patch.esp 91 5b buildingmaterialsgodchest.esp 92 5c Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp 254 FE 5d TsunTsun Armor Remastered.esp 93 5d Bijin NPCs.esp 254 FE 5e CS_Sapphire.esp 254 FE 5f CS_Vex.esp 254 FE 60 CS_Carlotta.esp 254 FE 61 CS_Ingun.esp 254 FE 62 CS_Karliah.esp 254 FE 63 CS_Maven.esp 254 FE 64 CS_Irileth.esp 94 5e Bijin Warmaidens.esp 254 FE 65 CS_Lydia.esp 254 FE 66 CS_Mjoll.esp 254 FE 67 CS_Njada.esp 254 FE 68 CS_Rayya.esp 254 FE 69 CS_Ria.esp 254 FE 6a CS_Uthgerd.esp 254 FE 6b CS_Borgakh.esp 254 FE 6c CS_Brelyna.esp 254 FE 6d CS_Ugor.esp 254 FE 6e CS_Aela.esp 254 FE 6f CS_Annekke.esp 254 FE 70 CS_Delphine.esp 254 FE 71 CS_Eola.esp 254 FE 72 CS_Frea.esp 254 FE 73 CS_Illia.esp 254 FE 74 CS_Iona.esp 254 FE 75 CS_Jenassa.esp 254 FE 76 CS_Jordis.esp 95 5f Bijin Wives.esp 254 FE 77 CS_Camilla.esp 254 FE 78 CS_Sylgja.esp 254 FE 79 Brows.esp 254 FE 7a CBBE.esp 96 60 Faction Crossbows.esp 97 61 Cloaks - Player Only - Dawnguard.esp 254 FE 7b Cloaks_SMP_Patch.esp 254 FE 7c DFTA_Dawnbreaker.esp 98 62 0_katnerd_StartPlayerFemale_Spells.esp 99 63 Easy lockpicking.esp 254 FE 7d BetterQuestObjectives - BCS Patch.esp 254 FE 7e BetterQuestObjectives - Wintersun Patch.esp 254 FE 7f BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp 254 FE 80 Fashions_Of_The_Huntsmen.esp 100 64 FMS_FemaleMakeupSuite.esp 101 65 High Poly Head Vampire Fix.esp 102 66 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 103 67 Imperial Centurion.esp 254 FE 81 skymoji.esp 254 FE 82 LB Lady Alina SSE.esp 254 FE 83 LoS II - Campfire addon.esp 254 FE 84 MCMHelper.esp 104 68 OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp 254 FE 85 OblivionLikeLS.esp 105 69 TESGLoadingScreens.esp 254 FE 86 TESG LoadScreen Patch.esp 254 FE 87 OCW_BCS-LL_FEPatch.esp 254 FE 88 OCW_BCS_FEPatch.esp 106 6a RaceMenu.esp 107 6b XPMSE.esp 108 6c RaceMenuPlugin.esp 109 6d RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 110 6e PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp ERF - Futanari CBBE - Equippable.esp 111 6f SOS - ERF - Futanari CBBE - Addon.esp 254 FE 89 Sakora's Make Over Kit for SKSE64.esp 112 70 ScopedBows_ArrowTweaks.esp 254 FE 8a PowerAttacks.esp 113 71 Skyland Watercolor - Slow Green-Vanilla.esp 114 72 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 115 73 TW3Eyes.esp 116 74 TimingIsEverything.esp 254 FE 8b TrueDirectionalMovement.esp 117 75 Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp 118 76 Vivid Weathers SE - Extended Snow.esp 254 FE 8c WaitYourTurn.esp 119 77 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp 120 78 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 121 79 YMMP.esp 254 FE 8d Wintersun - BCS Patch.esp 254 FE 8e [NINI] Bless MD 0001.esp 254 FE 8f [Christine] Altmer Archer.esp 254 FE 90 Devious Devices SE patch.esp 122 7a QuickLight.esp 254 FE 91 SlaveTats.esp 123 7b SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp 124 7c SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp 125 7d EstrusChaurus.esp 254 FE 92 OCW_MusicPatch_VanillaPlus.esp 126 7e Woodland Priestess.esp 254 FE 93 Fury Armor [SE].esp 254 FE 94 [Rektas] Advent [SE].esp 127 7f GirlHeavyArmor.esp 128 80 PetCollar.esp 129 81 _ImoMegane.esp 130 82 ERF - Succubus.esp 131 83 CommunityOverlays2_31T50.esp 132 84 AnubAnimObj.esp 133 85 FlufyFoxAnimObjects.esp 134 86 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 135 87 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 136 88 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 137 89 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 254 FE 95 [Rektas] Dark Nun [SE].esp 138 8a Shino_Traveling Magician.esp 254 FE 96 StoneheartStudio Jewelry SSE.esp 139 8b [SunJeong] BDO Valkyrie.esp SOS - Hormones UNP Addon.esp 140 8c Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp 141 8d Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp 254 FE 97 CACO_SunHelm.esp 254 FE 98 CACO_Wintersun.esp 142 8e Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 143 8f Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp 144 90 Odin - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp 254 FE 99 CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp 145 91 Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp 254 FE 9a Sacrosanct_CACO_Patch.esp 146 92 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp 254 FE 9b Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp 147 93 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 148 94 nwsFollowerFramework.esp 149 95 JoyfulFollowers.esp 150 96 Lux.esp 254 FE 9c Lux - CC Fish patch.esp 254 FE 9d Lux - Cuting Room Floor.esp 254 FE 9e Lux - Live Another Life patch.esp 254 FE 9f Lux - Saints and Seducers patch.esp 254 FE a0 Lux - USSEP patch.esp 254 FE a1 OCW_CellSettings.esp 254 FE a2 Lux - OCW College.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp Edited November 8, 2022 by ivraell
Shadowbroker3495 Posted November 9, 2022 Posted November 9, 2022 10 hours ago, ivraell said: I don't know why so many mods as listed as 254 in the load order. Because that is the way light mods are registered, It is a workaround to Skyrim's limitation of only 255 indexes for mods. Thus index 254 is reserved for light mods. Try to install inflaton framework and use this mod for 3BA settings SLIF Bodymorph setting.7z Go into Sexlab Inflation MCM and select 003_CBBE_SE_TulliusVER in all MCM sections. Now test it again and see if it solves problem.
ivraell Posted November 9, 2022 Author Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Shadowbroker3495 said: Because that is the way light mods are registered, It is a workaround to Skyrim's limitation of only 255 indexes for mods. Thus index 254 is reserved for light mods. Try to install inflaton framework and use this mod for 3BA settings SLIF Bodymorph setting.7z 2.62 kB · 0 downloads Go into Sexlab Inflation MCM and select 003_CBBE_SE_TulliusVER in all MCM sections. Now test it again and see if it solves problem. After doing this, no morphs change at all with or without clothes on. Not breasts, belly, butt, or schlong. I was still able to make adjustments in ShowRaceMenu sliders. I also tried rebuilding the 3BBB body to be sure, and also deploying mods again after. Also tried the default and CBBE_SE options in the Inflation MCM sections. I swapped SLIF to Percentages so I could adjust each slider individually for the 3BA morphs through the MCM and got nothing. I also made sure I adjusted the SL Hormones shape change method to use Inflation. I'm going to spend some more time poking around the Inflation thread and the 3BA thread a bit more as I see if I can't find solutions to similar problems as well. EDIT: After removing SLIF, Hormones is once again able to change belly/butt/schlong but NOT breasts still. Edited November 10, 2022 by ivraell
ivraell Posted November 10, 2022 Author Posted November 10, 2022 NO IDEA what happened, but today I was dicking around and for some reason decided to try and load a character of mine I was playing on, but I had somehow broken the saves during my fuddling with mods trying to fix this issue. All the saves on this girl were broken and would crash on load. I loaded in with Hormones/EC+/Inflation all on in a save that was made before I had SLIF installed. Now Inflation is properly adjusting things. EVERYTHING. So I guess my issue is fixed? I haven't tried on alternate characters yet but I'll cross that bridge when I get there. I'm not sure how. I'm not sure why it wasn't functioning in the first place. I didn't do anything to BodySlide between now and yesterday. I will still have to play a bit to make sure the slow, over time changes make any effects on my character, but the MCM for Inflation allows me to adjust every node properly on the few armors/base skin I've got on me. I am also using an alternative SLIF setting I found that isn't TULLIUSVER, but was posted later in the same thread I think Shadowbroker may have pulled it from. The file is called 'SLIF-3ba-custom.7z' but I don't remember where this was. I've been combing through a LOT of threads these past few days.
Elin-Celine Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) I'm not sure, but when I use hormone, I will enable SLIF control option and Bodymorph option at the same time, and get the preset deformation when I wake up after entering sleep At the same time, I use SLIF and the 3BA preset file mentioned above, and I use morph mode in SLIF The hormone has its own SLIF patch interface, so you do not need to install the SLIF hormone patch, and you should let the hormone overwrite the SLIF Edited November 14, 2022 by Elin-Celine
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