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Hi all, i ' ve been playing Skyrim on an alienware m14xr1 and i 've decided that it's about time for me to get a suittable PC so as to play with maxed out settings hd textures and with demanding enb mods (like k enb or sharpshooters) while over 30 fps.With my laptop, those were not doable.So, i am about to spent an amount of 1.350,00€ including taxes so as to buy a tower with the following highlights:

1.intel core i7 4770 3.40 ghz haswell 4rth gen

2.RAM 8gb ddr3 1333mhz

3.Sata 2 1TB hdd 7200rpm

4.2nd hdd 120gb ssd

5.AMD radeon hd 7950 1GB

6.intel chipset H87M

What i would like to know is:

1.Am i going to be spending money for a rig that does not worth it (value for money)

2.Will this rig have average life span considering the inbound arival of ps4/xbox one (hope that the technology of cpus and gpus doesn't change in a fortnight)

3.considering the rig's motherboard will i be able to make upgrades as far as crossfire 2nd gpu and more ram are consearned

3.Sould i consider customizing this rig with something better that does mot dramatically rases the bill

Thanks

Ps:Given the feedback-info,the sooner will i be playing Skyrim again :)

Bootaka

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You can save $100 buying an I5 rather than an I7. I put an i5 4570k in a friend's box the other day. You won't notice the difference in any game, since most games hardly use 4 cores, let alone 6.  

 

Concerning SSD VS HDD, running 3ds and autocad, the SSD is a beast, where the HDD takes a little longer. Running games, the SSD is still a beast, but the Western Digital Black is no  more than secs behind.  They're cool, I guess, less power, less heat, less noise, less space, more money, overkill for most games. But cool! lol. Basicly, you don't "need" a SSD, if you have a good HDD. (WD BLACK) As far as SSD, I'd only spend my $ on a Samsung 840pro or 830pro (if you can find one)

 

I kept the MSI ATI 7950 3gb, after trying out everything in that price range. Price vs what it did for me, the 7950 wins. Just do not get any XFX products, unless you like to RMA.

I'm not sold on SLI setups, built a few, eh. If you like playing benchmarks, awesome. If you like playing games, spend the money, buy 1 good card. In 5 years when you start to question if that card can still hang on new games, buy a 2nd one when they're giving them away. Or, if you like playing games, buy 1 good card.

 

 

For the mainboard, get pretty much any Z87 board, as the H versions are bios limited. Even if you never overclock, I don't, they're just better. Plus with the stuff you're looking at the RAM will be your bottlecap, which you won't have access to on a H series. Pretty much all boards are the same parts, put together in different BIOS and layouts. Still I prefer Asus, MSI, EVGA, Gigabyte, and the few ASRock I've used are pretty badass.

 

A decent PS that can handle the CPU and  Video card, 600w or so min. I generally go with Antec, Thermaltake, and a couple Corsairs recently, not bad so far. Pile it into a case, hopefully one with good airflow, the Antec 900 or the Corsair 300r are the first 2 I reach for when building one. The best options, at the lowest price, IMO. But I did just build a system inside an old cathode ray tube radio. Everyone got a click out of me attaching the HDD minder to the Radio display light. It blinks like its old.

 

Anyways, a system like this, would be obsolete last year, or you can spend 2x as much and it won't be obsolete until you get it home. But a system like this can and will offer you playable gaming for about 5 years, at which point you can wait a little longer and still be "ok" for a little while. Or do it all over again.

 

P.S. 32bit games like Skyrim, will never max out these systems, they can't. They'll trip over their own feet and fall on their face before you ran out of resources.

 

my specs are same build from last month;

i5 3570k

MSI z77 board

Samsung 840pro

8gigs 1600mhz RAM

600w Corsair PS

MSI 7950 3gig

 

I have no problems maxing out BF3, Fritz, and Skyrim loaded down with mods, well I do have problems with maxing out Skyrim loaded down with mods, Skyrim needs a real 64bit upgrade.

 

 

 

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Very informarive post,especially on the motherboard info.The thing is that the rig i posted is custom made locally in my country and professionally assebled (cables placement for better airflow etc).What i need to know is the the rig's overall value for money especially after taking into acount the fact that the video card is a year old.Should i look for another model or any nvidia equivelant (the hd 7950 price on the net was between 250-260 us$).I know that you will never be able to be side by side with tecknology as far as top specs are consearned but i would hate giving away money for stuff that can be bought cheaper

TheSGC

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The CPU is the biggest detractor here, pricewise. As suggested above, get an i5 instead, there's practically no difference. I've been rocking a 3570k for a couple months with my rig now, OC'd to 4 ghz. Way cheaper than an i7.

pds123

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One thing to think about is that skyrim has around a 3gig ram limit. Using lots of textures and script heavy mods will cause ctd regardless of the rig.

Blow

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One thing to think about is that skyrim has around a 3gig ram limit. Using lots of textures and script heavy mods will cause ctd regardless of the rig.

 

This is very true.

Bootaka

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Very informarive post,especially on the motherboard info.The thing is that the rig i posted is custom made locally in my country and professionally assebled (cables placement for better airflow etc).What i need to know is the the rig's overall value for money especially after taking into acount the fact that the video card is a year old.Should i look for another model or any nvidia equivelant (the hd 7950 price on the net was between 250-260 us$).I know that you will never be able to be side by side with tecknology as far as top specs are consearned but i would hate giving away money for stuff that can be bought cheaper

The cost of what you posted is all relative, yes that's not a bad deal, and I would tell my mom the same. Looks like they're charging about $100 to plug tab A into tab B and stick Disk 1 into Drive A. I know that not everyone is comfortable with the idea of assembling a computer, but its really not that hard. The hardest things are plugging in the front power and light connectors and not putting too much thermal paste on the CPU. Everything else is Tab A into Slot B Circles don't fit squares, CPU fan means Plug in the CPU fan, and so on. To buy it all in components and assemble it, around $1000 US, and you get the parts you know do what you want. Now install windows by clicking Next. But again, that's still not a bad deal. 

 

 

I love the 7950 and if I had to buy another card in that range, I would buy it again. The 660 TI is just as badass. For their price range you can't go wrong with either. If you want a better card, skip the 670 and get a 680, or its not a real upgrade. Even tho it won't it show in Skyrim.

 

I have a cheap & cheerful Infernal Machine, but I'd really like to get more out of it for Skyrim. What should I do... :huh:

 

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(Similar in some ways to other posters here I guess, with the chief difference being I don't know squat)

WTF were you doing to be using 3gigs of a pagefile when you took that SS? And what pds123 said, your computer specs are far beyond what Skyrim can utilize. That's not to say it can't be optimized to run better tho. Normally I do all my system tweaks by hand, but I recently came across Razer Game Booster, those headphone ppll, and  I have to say, it is damn impressive. http://www.razerzone.com/gamebooster

FastestDogInTheDistrict

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I have a cheap & cheerful Infernal Machine, but I'd really like to get more out of it for Skyrim. What should I do... :huh:

 

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(Similar in some ways to other posters here I guess, with the chief difference being I don't know squat)

WTF were you doing to be using 3gigs of a pagefile when you took that SS?

 

 

This comes back to the "I don't know squat" factor. I can see what that is on the screenshot, but I have no idea what it means. If I close a whole lotta stuff I had running at the time I stumbled across this thread, it drops to around 2500 or so (internet still running, doing stuff). I'm guessing it's like, a representation of "memory used" or something. No idea what it should/should not be sitting at. :huh:

 

*Also - thanks for the Razorboost tip. I'll check that out. :)

Bootaka

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That's pretty close idea for not knowing "squat"! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging Pagefile turns a portion of your disk space into Virtual RAM..With a SSD you can remove the pagefile altogether, the drives are so fast pagefiles are obsolete in that respect. But long term effects to a SSD stability is still under debate due to memory leaks, but instead of having a pagefile 1.5x the size the amount of ram installed it can be dropped down to 1meg. Freeing up valuable space on these tiny SSD. heh, I remember when I got my first external HDD for my Mac. It was so huge, there was no way to ever use 10megs of storage omg! it was the size of my computer now. The newer Windows updates improved on their pagefile and TRIM settings a lot, letting windows manage your pagefile works just fine, so don't worry about messing with it one way or the other. If you mess with the size on a HDD, you can cause your OS to BSOD everytime it tries to do a RAM DUMP. and not the good kind.

 

 

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babble babble, what was I talking about? oh yeah, Razer Boost is awesome, hope it helps. 

FastestDogInTheDistrict

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That's pretty close idea for not knowing "squat"! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging Pagefile turns a portion of your disk space into Virtual RAM..With a SSD you can remove the pagefile altogether, the drives are so fast pagefiles are obsolete in that respect. But long term effects to a SSD stability is still under debate due to memory leaks, but instead of having a pagefile 1.5x the size the amount of ram installed it can be dropped down to 1meg. Freeing up valuable space on these tiny SSD. heh, I remember when I got my first external HDD for my Mac. It was so huge, there was no way to ever use 10megs of storage omg! it was the size of my computer now. The newer Windows updates improved on their pagefile and TRIM settings a lot, letting windows manage your pagefile works just fine, so don't worry about messing with it one way or the other. If you mess with the size on a HDD, you can cause your OS to BSOD everytime it tries to do a RAM DUMP. and not the good kind.

 

 

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babble babble, what was I talking about? oh yeah, Razer Boost is awesome, hope it helps. 

 

"Yeh, that's basically it. It's fine - your computer needs to do this. Don't mess with it unless you want BSODs raining from the skies. Also, tits.". Gottit! And thanks! ^_^

 

fifteenspades

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Agreed on the i5 > i7. i5 overclocked is better and 100$ cheaper. but really there isn't a need to overclock unless you really need that extra amount. 

Be careful when using Razor booster/ game booster / MSI afterburn some mods have conflicts with them.

but really, you can't throw money at skyrim to make it better, meaning no matter how much money you throw at it, skyrim is just limited to what it can handle.  

Gagoloth

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Agreed on the i5 > i7. i5 overclocked is better and 100$ cheaper. but really there isn't a need to overclock unless you really need that extra amount. 

Be careful when using Razor booster/ game booster / MSI afterburn some mods have conflicts with them.

but really, you can't throw money at skyrim to make it better, meaning no matter how much money you throw at it, skyrim is just limited to what it can handle.  

 

 

Btw you can'r run any enb when using "Razor booster/ game booster / MSI afterburn" 

Bootaka

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Razor Game Booster and MSI Afterburner are totally different things that effect different things. MSI afterburner hooks into your system to allows you to change internal settings such as clock speeds and voltage timing, from within the OS. The way it does this interferes with the ENB DLL hook. Yes, you can not use MSI Afterburner or similar programs that use the same hooks, with the ENB.dll. The line is busy.

 

But, Razor Game Booster is not that type of program. What is does do, has nothing to do with hooking. It is a program that is setup to work as a cache clearer, like cleanmem does, and TURNS OFF all unnecessary services and programs in Windows to make it run more efficiently while you play your game, then turns them back on when your done playing. Does not effect ENBs in any way. 

 

 

Guest

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Damit, i am frustrated about this 'best vga' hunt i 've doing the past several days.Lots of manufactures with different pros and cons.Others are louder than others and others tend to get higher temps than others either while idle or while gamplay.Anyway due to the fact of the spesified time of procuring/ordering my new rig is at hand, i would like you fellow LL members to suggest me THE card i should get according to the following:

1)price between 300-400 us dollars or euros (max)

2)best compatibility with enb mods (since i have read that nvidia cards run faster than radeon with skyrim +enb)

3)Highest amount of fps(above 50 if possible) with high demanding enb mods like sharpshooters,realvision enb etc and with hd textures official and unofficial 

4)Borris Vorontsof realeased on nexus and his site a patch that makes skyrim running at 64 bits to utilize physical and virtual ram thus overcoming the 3.1gb ram limit

The bottom line is that i am in thoughts between these cards

1)gtx 660ti oc

2)saphire radeon 7950 with boost

3)gtx 670 (maybe above 400 $)

The above choises are according to price tags but i am in thoughts about their behaviour in skyrim between the 7950 and 660ti's, and the fact that 670 is found localy by pelit witch comes with extra noise and temps (60-70 celcius)

Also the 7950's 3gb ram maybe proven to be an asset for the future as opposed to the 2 gb of the nvidia ones

Bottom line,if you tell me that with the cheapest of the above options (660ti oc) i get 60 fps with real vision enb (not the performace version) and hd textures,i am off to get it!Thanks!

pds123

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http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,review-32739.html

 

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-graphics-card-review,review-32740.html

 

On my current rig I have a 660ti and i7930 and my other rig I have a 680 4gb and an i7 3930k. I've not tried skyrim on this rig for a while but if I get a chance I'll try later and let you know performance.

All dependent on screen res too as I play everything at 1920 1080.

 

Toms hardware charts are your answer though tbh. SSD will decrease load times, I use one for system drive and skyrim.

Forgotten1337

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Damit, i am frustrated about this 'best vga' hunt i 've doing the past several days.Lots of manufactures with different pros and cons.Others are louder than others and others tend to get higher temps than others either while idle or while gamplay.Anyway due to the fact of the spesified time of procuring/ordering my new rig is at hand, i would like you fellow LL members to suggest me THE card i should get according to the following:

1)price between 300-400 us dollars or euros (max)

2)best compatibility with enb mods (since i have read that nvidia cards run faster than radeon with skyrim +enb)

3)Highest amount of fps(above 50 if possible) with high demanding enb mods like sharpshooters,realvision enb etc and with hd textures official and unofficial 

4)Borris Vorontsof realeased on nexus and his site a patch that makes skyrim running at 64 bits to utilize physical and virtual ram thus overcoming the 3.1gb ram limit

The bottom line is that i am in thoughts between these cards

1)gtx 660ti oc

2)saphire radeon 7950 with boost

3)gtx 670 (maybe above 400 $)

The above choises are according to price tags but i am in thoughts about their behaviour in skyrim between the 7950 and 660ti's, and the fact that 670 is found localy by pelit witch comes with extra noise and temps (60-70 celcius)

Also the 7950's 3gb ram maybe proven to be an asset for the future as opposed to the 2 gb of the nvidia ones

Bottom line,if you tell me that with the cheapest of the above options (660ti oc) i get 60 fps with real vision enb (not the performace version) and hd textures,i am off to get it!Thanks!

I myself have a gtx 670 and it's freaking amazing.  Though I  did spend a bit more than $400 ( about $425 if i remember correctly), but only because I got the 4GB superclocked version. 

 

fifteenspades

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As we said before, you can't just throw $ at skyrim :s. 

take in case that gtx 670 forgotten has. its really nice and all, but skyrim doesn't even come close to using the card to its max capability. 

and there is no reason to "overlock" anything like that, because it won't make skyrim run better. but if it's factory overclocked you don't have a choice ;c

 

I myself use Radeon 7800 HD and with sharpshooters enb + max settings on skyrim. i run at a consistent 30 fps in battles with 10 or so npc's.

and everywhere else 50+ fps. only cost 230$ now i can't just throw more $ at it and get an even better one, because it wouldn't change anything in skyrim.

Handsome Squidward

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Put Skyrim on windowed mode and boost your performance upwards to 30%. Then just use a borderless windowed mode mod. If one needs to fix the resolution, fix it in the SkyrimPref.ini. Just in case:

bFullScreen=0 (0=windowed)

iSize H= (match it to your computer's height resolution)

iSize W= (width resolution)

This works in most Bethesda games.

 

HiAlgoBoost mod modifies the graphics to run 1/3 less pixels when in combat, but I don't know if it works. I just have relatively smooth combat. (I recommend installing the latest enb over this.)

 

Sorry these are just performance fixes, but maxing out FPS never hurts. I run Somber ENB on High because I can't afford Ultra quality, and the latest ENB v0.193 is highly recommended.

 

As for rig, all I have done was upgraded my graphics card with a $200 nvidia and bought nice speakers. But $200 now can buy better graphics cards than what I spent for 2 years ago.

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