CC Problems since Update

[The Blob]

Hey guys,

 

have any of you still had problems with your CCs since the update or might know where my problem might lie?

 

Some Sims are running around like in the screenshot. Some also completely black. But if they are on a plot for a longer time, they become normal again with time. This constant change between normal and broken look for the Sims is so strange and I don't know what the reason is.

 

In the household window or in the small preview pictures at the bottom left , the Sims always look normal, as they should. Usually when I had missing or broken CCs, the pictures were already corrupted too and the preview in the household window was also changed.

 

[Scorpio]

1 hour ago, The Blob said:

Some Sims are running around like in the screenshot. Some also completely black. But if they are on a plot for a longer time, they become normal again with time. This constant change between normal and broken look for the Sims is so strange and I don't know what the reason is.

Since you have several different Sims getting bugged out it's not likely CC unless they are all using/wearing the same thing.

 

Possibly a script mod but more likely corrupted game files or save game/sims.

 

Try doing an Origin Repair Game first and/or try starting a new game.

 

If problem persists you'll have to do the 50/50 method to find the culprit.  

Edited February 22, 2022 by Scorpio

[The Blob]

5 hours ago, Scorpio said:

Since you have several different Sims getting bugged out it's not likely CC unless they are all using/wearing the same thing.

 

Possibly a script mod but more likely corrupted game files or save game/sims.

 

Try doing an Origin Repair Game first and/or try starting a new game.

 

If problem persists you'll have to do the 50/50 method to find the culprit.  

 

Thank you,

I had the game repaired and started a new game, but the error remains, even with non-CC sims, like the Landgraabs (see screenshot).

 

So you suspect that it's not a broken CC file, but a script mod?

[Scorpio]

45 minutes ago, The Blob said:

So you suspect that it's not a broken CC file, but a script mod?

Nancy looks normal but the male sim IDK.

Slippers with toe details don't look normal.

Got any CC feet/body parts?

Or default CC body parts?

[The Blob]

That is Geoffrey

 

I usually dont install any default CC, just non-default CCs. 

 

Couldn't it be that the feet only look so funny in general because of the unknown mistake, the way you can see his chest through the bathrobe? Otherwise I would try to take out all the foot CC. That would at least be an easier task than going through all 10k CC files with 50/50.

[Scorpio]

1 hour ago, The Blob said:

Couldn't it be that the feet only look so funny in general because of the unknown mistake, the way you can see his chest through the bathrobe? Otherwise I would try to take out all the foot CC. That would at least be an easier task than going through all 10k CC files with 50/50.

Since you mentioned neither one of those sims had any CC items equipped I just assumed it was body part related but doesn't seem to effect Nancy.

Geoffrey has both a transparent Robe and Slippers and I have no idea if any CC Male Skins would bleed through like that but it might be possible.

But it wouldn't be just CC Feet since the Robe is another issue so it might be two different CC's also.

 

Does it only happen at the Spa when he changes outfits?

Is it just that outfit or do other outfits do the same thing?

 

Long ago my male sim used to change into some strange outfits at the Spa Lockers including a dress.

He'd change into anything but the standard Robe/Towel but I can't remember now what the issue was but it only happened at the Spa.

It's been a long time since I had a Spa in game but aren't they supposed to wear the Towels at the Spa?

Think it's the same one used when sims get a Massage.

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by Scorpio

[The Blob]

It's not just him. It's complete randomness which Sims then look like this. Sometimes they suddenly turn black, and after a while they turn back to normal and other Sims have this error.

 

edit: And it dont just happen at the Spa unfortunately. Also different employees or visitors are effected in different clothes / before changing dress.

Edited February 22, 2022 by The Blob

[Scorpio]

1 hour ago, The Blob said:

It's not just him. It's complete randomness which Sims then look like this. Sometimes they suddenly turn black, and after a while they turn back to normal and other Sims have this error.

 

edit: And it dont just happen at the Spa unfortunately. Also different employees or visitors are effected in different clothes / before changing dress.

Then the only way to find the problem is by removing Mods/CC I think.

[Scorpio]

Check out this thread for Patch related broken Mods/CC.

It's for non-adult Mods only.

Didn't notice any mention of broken CC other than Color Sliders for clothes and hair.

 https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/997549/broken-updated-mods-cc-feb-2022-patch

 

Someone mentioned after a previous patch EA added a new setting in game settings that allows EA to add sneaky patches and fixes at any time.

It's possible this is why some people have problems suddenly appear out of the blue for no apparent reasons.

I'd find that setting and disable it IMO.

 

I've never updated past game version 1.81.72.1030 for that, and other, reasons.

[The Blob]

Thank you for mentioning the forum thread. Unfortunately, I have not used these two sliders. There was also talk of all food being called prosiutto. I also have the error, but I don't use this Kings Mod at all. So all in all, an absolute mess this update.

[Scorpio]

2 hours ago, The Blob said:

Thank you for mentioning the forum thread. Unfortunately, I have not used these two sliders. There was also talk of all food being called prosiutto. I also have the error, but I don't use this Kings Mod at all. So all in all, an absolute mess this update.

If you've ever downloaded CC or Custom Sims there's always a chance they included merged files.

Then the problem is outdated/broken Mods or CC can be hiding inside a merged file with a file name that doesn't mention everything contained inside it.

It could also include duplicates of loose CC or sliders or anything else you might already have installed.

Not to mention other unwanted things being hidden inside them.

So downloading unknown merged files is like downloading a Trojan for Sims 4.

 

I'm really careful when downloading anything and check all the files very cautiously for any oddities.

Then I check them all with S4S to see if they are OK and make sure the they are tagged properly.

It will also show if a file is merged with a list of included CC and I usually just delete any merged files I find.

 

On occasion you find odd file names for CC that is non-descriptive so you have no idea what it's even for.

So then I rename them to describe what exactly they do after I find out using S4S.

 

Best way IMO is removing everything but your Script Mods + Animations and testing them alone first.

Delete your localthumbcache.pkg whenever you remove mods/cc for testing and don't make any new saves just exit game after testing.

 

If fixed now then start adding CC back by folder/category.

I have all my Makeup, Clothing, Shoes, Body Parts, Skins, etc., within each folder only containing items that belong in that category.

It's much easier to find a problem location when narrowed down to a specific Folder Category that way.

Then you only have one folder to split up with the 50/50 method or by testing a few at a time. 

[The Blob]

I do it similarly to you. I not only convert every file to HQ, I also unpack all merged files. It should be noted, however, that many creators themselves offer their CCs merged for download (Praline, Kijiko, S-Club for example).

 

The problem did not occur with a download, but with the update. With the help of your file, I had just set my MCCC so that importing my own Sims works without family. Then came the update and now this.

 

I also work with the Sims 4 Mod Manager from Game Time Dev to manage CCs really quickly and easily and to find possible errors and especially duplicates easily despite input checks. Unfortunately it can't display broken CCs yet. I guess I will have to wait until then.

[The Blob]

After I haven't touched the game for over a month now because of this, I tried to solve the problem during the day today. I couldn't use the 50:50 method because my Sims are all black then and I can't see the error.
 

I always created Sims with the visible error, took off all possible clothes and compared the CCs via the Tray Importer.  I sorted out all the sliders and other things that were used by all the defective Sims, but the error still exists. According to the Tray Importer, it's not overrides, because I also have defective Sims that don't have any and are still faulty.
 

Now I only have CCs left, but they are not used identically by other Sims. Have any of you experienced whether a CC in the list is broken?

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2022 by The Blob

[Scorpio]

1 hour ago, The Blob said:

Now I only have CCs left, but they are not used identically by other Sims. Have any of you experienced whether a CC in the list is broken?

One thing I noticed is you have several default teeth installed and you are only allowed to use one default of any CC at a time.

 

Also defaults are applied to all sims in game FYI.

Edited March 27, 2022 by Scorpio

[The Blob]

I had also wondered Scorpio, but as I mentioned in several defective sim files the teeth defaults were not listed. Now I have taken them out for testing, also the overrides, but the error is still there.

 

Is it possible that CC files are being used but the tray importer is not showing them? 0o

 

 

 

[Scorpio]

50 minutes ago, The Blob said:

Is it possible that CC files are being used but the tray importer is not showing them?

It's more likely something else entirely unrelated is causing it so using the Tray Importer may be useless in finding the bad CC.

Guess I don't understand why the 50/50 method didn't work and caused your sims to become black because removing CC shouldn't be doing that unless maybe you didn't delete the loacalthumbcache after removing them for testing.

If your sims turn black just from removing CC then something is badly broken or corrupted.

It's also possible you have a merged file that has something strange hidden inside like a facial slider by another author that does the same thing as one of your others. 

 

One of the main reasons for removing CC in batches and testing using the process of elimination is because it's actually faster than using the Tray Importer.

If all Mods/CC are removed and the problem persists then it might be a corrupted game, save, or sims.

 

What I do is make a folder on my desktop named Testing and one named Tested Good.

Move 50% of Mods/CC into the Testing folder, delete the localthumbcache and test in game again.

Same problem still occurs then move everything from Testing folder to Tested Good folder.

Then move another group of CC into the Testing folder and repeat.

Don't make any new saves when testing with Mods/CC removed just exit when finished testing.

Edited March 27, 2022 by Scorpio

[Crazy Doll]

50/50 can be useless if more than one CC is broken and if a minima 1 is in each 50%.  Will have to do a 50/50 on each 50% :/.

 

At this point I think best thing will be to chek the CCs  like 50 per 50 and do the 50/50 each time something goes wrong. Eh... Welcome to the modding worst side.

Edited March 29, 2022 by Crazy Doll

[The Blob]

1 hour ago, Crazy Doll said:

Eh... Welcome to the modding worst side.

 

Yes, exactly, it's kind of a vicious circle. Without mods, you don't want to play the game any more, but on the other hand, if there's a problem, you're clueless and powerless if you don't know anything about programming. It's not for nothing that I haven't been able to play the game at all for weeks and haven't even tried for over a month.

 

I had hoped that the fault lay in the skintones or the teeth. I removed them all. To no avail. I also removed all overlays, overrides, sliders, defaults, merged files, presets. Also unsuccessful. I was at least able to narrow down the error to my CC folder. Other add-ons do not cause this appearance.

 

I don't feel like fixing it again for the time being. I'll take another month's break and maybe I'll be lucky and GameTimeDev will have been able to develop his ModManager to such an extent that it will help me find defective CCs. But thank you all again for your time as always  

 

Edited March 30, 2022 by The Blob

[Scorpio]

12 hours ago, The Blob said:

I was at least able to narrow down the error to my CC folder.

That's actually quite good progress so why give up now?

 

This is why it's so important to have cc installed in folders by categories like CC_Makeup, CC_Shoes, CC_Clothing, CC_Hairstyles, etc.

Then removing certain folders can narrow it down even further.

 

If you have 6000 files in your CC folder then it needs to be organized by type/category folders anyway.

If you're not playing the game it's something to do.

 

Yup it's time consuming and boring but makes it so much easier finding future problems down the road.

You don't have to do it all at one time but just get started and do some organizing every day.

 

[The Blob]

Still have this problem.

 

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Actually I deleted all CCs and just installed required packs from here

https://veelous.tumblr.com/post/635045312698941440/hq-textures-overview

 

and optional files just from sim resource. This game cant be played with HQ Mod anymore maybe ?