fumos Posted February 2, 2022 Posted February 2, 2022 As the title says. After about 8-15 minutes of playing, the FPS just hits the fan and is suddenly extremely bad until reloaded. Cannot for the life of me figure out which mod it is, but it causes HDT physics to go haywire when it happens, so I've been suspecting that might be a cause. Can't find anything in any plugin/papyrus logs that might indicate the cause. It causes saves to take twice as long though, and the lag stops entirely whilst on the map screen or loading screen (not in pause menu though). I'm playing the latest version, with Vividian ENB. My Plugin Load order is under the spoiler, and I've attached a list of SKSE plugins without associated ESP/ESM/ESLs underneath it. Any help would be truly appreciated, as it's perhaps the most annoying issue I've had since the constant LE crashes I had when I first started using mods. Spoiler # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer. 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Dark Brotherhood.esp At Your Own Pace - Main Quest.esp At Your Own Pace - Misc.esp COTN Falkreath - RAEQR Patch.esp JiubQuestMarkers.esp BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp McmRecorder.esp ParalysisImmunity.esp DiverseSkyimCivilWarFix.esp Pan NPCs - Immersive Jewelry.esp Simply Knock - Tower Stone Fix.esp YOT - CWRepairs.esp Growl-MortalEnemies Patch.esp Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp Odin - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp YOT - Apocalypse.esp YOT - Ordinator.esp Project Proteus - Apocalypse Patch.esp Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp YOT - Sacrosanct.esp Project Proteus - Sacrosanct Patch.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp COTN Dawnstar - Alternate Start LAL Patch.esp COTN Falkreath - Alternate Start Patch.esp COTN Winterhold - Alternate Start Patch.esp Misc Dialogue Edits.esp More Dialogue Options.esp At Your Own Pace - Thieves Guild.esp RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp COTN Morthal - Alternate Start Patch.esp Water for ENB (Shades of Skyrim).esp Water for ENB - Creeks Add-On.esp WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp Water for ENB - Patch - FWMF Marked Clean.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp FWMF SE Marked Clean Map 4K.esp FWMF SE Marked Clean Map 4K Vivid Weathers fix.esp UPDATE: The sudden performance drop doesn't happen whilst in the pause menu for an extended period of time, and sometimes alt-tabbing and tabbing back in will cause performance to return to normal. I'm very confused.
wikuwi Posted February 2, 2022 Posted February 2, 2022 I don't think there is an easy way to find out which mod/ combination of mods leads to such a performance instability of the game, but to be honest I believe your suspicion regarding HDT stuff is probably false, HDT just lacks your computational resources when the performance drop happens. I would suggest an inductive way of resolving the issue, just test how your game works in different cases, try empty room, try combat, try adding nps to empty room, look if the fps drop will occur in different strictly determined cases and find out on which aspect/part of the gameplay it happens, so you could shrink the mods you suspect to some category.
fumos Posted February 3, 2022 Author Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Dziczka said: I don't think there is an easy way to find out which mod/ combination of mods leads to such a performance instability of the game, but to be honest I believe your suspicion regarding HDT stuff is probably false, HDT just lacks your computational resources when the performance drop happens. I would suggest an inductive way of resolving the issue, just test how your game works in different cases, try empty room, try combat, try adding nps to empty room, look if the fps drop will occur in different strictly determined cases and find out on which aspect/part of the gameplay it happens, so you could shrink the mods you suspect to some category. You're probably right about HDT to be fair, I know it acts weird when the FPS is low. As for resolving it, it's extremely inconsistent, I can never tell what's causing it, but it always happens after a certain amount of time has passed, which also makes finding out what it is that's causing it difficult. It also doesn't stop once it's started without a reload, which makes it tricky figuring out exactly what the problem is, otherwise I'd just disable specific elements until it stopped. The only thing I know about the issue is that it always happens eventually, and it stops on the map screen. I'm gonna' see if the TAI or TCAI commands have any effect on it next time I play.
fumos Posted February 4, 2022 Author Posted February 4, 2022 Ok, update, the stuttering seems to stop when I tab out? I'm now far more confused than I was. I'll see if it restarts at any point. EDIT; It does start again. Second time I tabbed out it didn't stop the stuttering, but sometimes it still does.
coolfreaky Posted February 5, 2022 Posted February 5, 2022 you will not find a way by hitting the keyboard all over . you might have an issue with mods that are conflicting and struggling by eating your PC ressources . it may be or not HDT . you could try tesedit / xedit to find any lead . but you will have to find the culprit(s) by removing mods and testing until you hit the one that is annoying .
fumos Posted February 5, 2022 Author Posted February 5, 2022 4 hours ago, coolfreaky said: you will not find a way by hitting the keyboard all over . you might have an issue with mods that are conflicting and struggling by eating your PC ressources . it may be or not HDT . you could try tesedit / xedit to find any lead . but you will have to find the culprit(s) by removing mods and testing until you hit the one that is annoying . That's not what I'm doing. I simply noticed that the game was running as normal again after tabbing out (alt+tab) which I thought was potentially a clue towards what was causing the issue. At the moment it works well enough as a temporary solution, but I'll continue looking for a culprit for the performance drop in case anyone else is getting the issue.
fumos Posted February 18, 2022 Author Posted February 18, 2022 Think I've finally discovered the cause of the issue! Fairly sure I have at the very least. I think my GPU was overheating, causing the game to switch to the integrated graphics card. This also explains why tabbing out helps, as it gives the GPU time to cool down a little. Fully cleaned out the fan and heatsink and put my laptop on a stand so the airflow is better, so hopefully this'll fix the issue.
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