Feedback: SexLab Framework, Defeat, Romance, ... the whole package!

[Ingun Black-Briar]

Whew. I've spent the past hours testing the entire "suite" of SexLab mods, and I thought you guys would like some feedback regarding the individual mods and how well they work in a package, with and without the additional use of SexAddict.

 

I'll try to keep it as brief as possible while providing (hopefully!) useful feedback.

 

1) SexLab vs. SexAddict

 

Let's start off with a comparison of the two. Both of these mods have their pros and cons, and while I am not certain if there is a desire to merge these mods or incorporate parts of them, I feel that users would greatly benefit from such an attempt.

 

Animations, SexLab vs. SexAddict:

The alignment of characters in SexAddict is simply amazing and superior to SexLab's system. With SexLab, I encountered various bugs from falling through the floor to completely un-aligned animations; something which SexAddict seems to have a workaround for. Another big issue I had was the constant need to "unlock" a stage because more often than not both characters would end up in the wrong positions. By doing so, my character frequently fell through the floor no matter the collision settings. I feel that SexLab would greatly benefit from using whatever it is the SexAddict guys came up with ... because, damn, it works like a charm and you can just move normally if the characters are stuck in a wall or something.

That said, SexAddict lacks the amazing threeway option of SexLab as well as many of the included animations.

 

User Handling and Options, SexLab vs. SexAddict:

SexAddict does't use MCM which makes it a bit of a drag to customize. The settings are easy to change, though, and work flawlessly. The mod lacks detailed undress settings or a clear distinction between "rape" and "sex" which is a bit awkward but works just as well. One issue I had with the mod were crazy-ass bounty hunting NPCs who'd flag my char the aggressor even when *she* was being assaulted by someone, or when some random NPC raped some other random NPC. The bounty just kept adding up and up. Neat feature: Calm. God, I love calm. I wish SexLab had a calm option!

 

SexLab's MCM interface is easy to use and very extensive. There's a problem, though: The various "addons" for the Framework override the main mod's undressing settings in some cases but I haven't been able to track down the cause of that yet. It works for the most time!

The clear distinction between forced and normal sex is a big plus, as it allows for great customization and immersive gameplay. I adore the smoothness of the camera and that "rip off clothes" animation. It works very well and looks natural despite it being a standard animation, as I think someone mentioned!

 

As for follower options, I love how you can adjust them in SexAddict. Definitely something I miss in the SexLab suite, but I'm going to give more feedback about the individual addons later.

 

Compatibility SexLab & SexAddict:

There were no big issues except of the expected chaos when both mods sprung into action.

 

Bugs, SexLab & SexAddict:

SexLab:

-CTD when I unchecked one of the female voice options. I don't remember which one but I'll edit this post later when I have the energy to track it down.

-Frequent collision and clipping issues, characters tend to fall through the floor no matter the setting.

 

SexAddict:

-The aforementioned bounty thing. Annoying to boot.

-One time, my follower got "stuck" in some infinite loophole that prevented them from following me, and forced me to uninstall the mod in order to get them to work again. This has only happened once and was fixed easily enough, but it's a bug!

 

[to be continued, badly need a break. Ugh. My poor head]

 

[TheCaptn]

Looking forward to the future chapters. I'm still playing with SexAddict setup for consent-only and Sanguine's Debauchery for the noncon stuff... But after a long break from Skyrim I came back to find this whole new forum had developed around an updated framework. Now I have no idea what any of this stuff is like, and I don't really feel like reading every thread to get caught up.

Just yesterday I was hoping someone would make a guide thread, and today here you are.

[Crate123]

I use SexLab, Romance and Submit.

I have never experienced falling through any floors at all and the only scene that isnt aligned almost perfectly is "rough behind" so Im not sure whats causing it for you. Also, with Submit you get a calm like effect, the person you have sex with stop wanting to kill you and the fine incurred by the rape is removed.

 

What I dont like about SexAddict is that it relied on a spell that works 100% of the time, that doesnt feel right to me. It is a good mod though but I prefer SexLab+addons.

[Ingun Black-Briar]

On to the promised in-depth feedback! :-)

 

I'll go by the order of mods as they're installed in my game.

 

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SexLab Submit

 

I truly love the idea behind this mod, and it works very well in my game. The player gains a new "submit" shout which is triggered by a key of your choice and enables you to force your target to submit to your epic combat prowess and stop fighting you. If successful, the NPC/enemy will yield to you, and you can then talk to them which gives you a couple of options.

In addition, which is very very nifty, you can now approach a NPC with your weapon drawn - due to the way the animations for this mod work it has to be a one-handed weapon or your bare fists, though - and either sneak up to them or confront them to demand submission. When sneaking up on them (weapon drawn), you can decide to attempt to knock them down or to straight up assault them.

Targets that submitted to you will escape combat and turn non-hostile, although they're going to hate you forever and let you know this. 

 

Features:

- You can either use your new shout, the new sneak-up options or the dialogue system to demand defeat. This may or may not be successful, depending on your target's health and your skill at intimidation. If you choose to assault them in sneak mode your attempts will almost certainly be successful.

- You will have the option to rob subdued targets and demand their valuables and let them go. This is probably what I like the most as I think it's a very probable option. Why would you have to kill everyone?

- You will also have the option of raping your target (of course, we're talking SexLab... duh) and, which is also an amazing feature, have your follower have a go with them. Depending on your SexLab settings you can also have a threesome.

 

Options/Interface:

- Using MCM, you can customize a great deal of this mod. There are no keys for you to press or spells for you to cast if you decide so, which is a super fat epic awesome plus in my book, because I just hate that. The dialogue system and pop-up window triggers on its own, and you don't have to use the shout if you don't want to.

 

Feedback:

The included dialogue system is great and uses vanilla voice sets for the NPCs which I love. It's a very immersive process. I did have some trouble selecting the dialogue lines I wanted, but I'm certain that this was due to Skyrim's general fucked-up menu system and not due to the mod.

My only gripe would be that you have to sexually assault a target before you get the option to rob them. That's something I'd like to see changed.

Another small peeve would be the weapon requirement. The mod is made in such a way you have your weapon "at their throat" during the animations, and it sometimes happens that your weapon gets "stuck" and you have to unequip and re-equip before you can use it again, which is not a good thing during combat.

That said, I encountered no bugs or flaws other than the weapon issue, and SexLab Submit is definitely one of my favorite mods now. The creator(s) of this mod made it so very immersive, using fear, animosity and believable dialogue right down to playing vanilla voice files that it feels like a very natural addition to Skyrim. My only suggestion would be to tweak the dialogue bits so we can just rob a target without the required romp.

 

 

 

 

[Ingun Black-Briar]

SexLab Defeat

 

A rapey rape mod for combat. Your character will be able to rape their enemies once they're down on health, and they will do the same to you.

 

Features:

- Hostile NPCs will overpower and rape your character after beating them down, using a series of neat animations to strip their weapons and gear

- You can do the same thing to hostile NPCs, forcing them out of combat and disarming them

 

Options/Interface:

- The mod is fully customizable in MCM. You can decide whether enemies steal your gear, knock your weapons out of your hands, or if equipment will merely be unequipped. If you choose the "strip" option your weapon and armor will be thrown on the ground next to you and you will *not* have them until you pick them up again.

- If you're overpowered by a group of hostiles they're going to gangrape you. Due to the harsh debuff you get after a defeat you likely won't be able to escape. Oh, and you won't wear or have your armor and weapons, too. So you're pretty much screwed.

- The fight ends when every hostile is done with you. Unfortunately they WILL continue to attack you while or after one of their buddies is busy with you so you're very likely going to die without a shitload of health potions to see you through the fight.

 

Feedback:

The mod is super customizable and easy to use. I encountered no problems at all, except the fact that encountering a group of hostiles is pretty much a death-sentence as you can't run away or escape and everyone else will continue to beat you down until you're ... well, dead. That's a thing I'd like to see tweaked. There is also an option to enable/disable female NPCs from assaulting you, which I haven't tested in depth yet, but I kind of imagine THEY will definitely kill you when the guys are done with your char as they wouldn't be affected by any kind of calming effect.

I'm just realizing I need to give this mod another run without the other plugins to answer these questions. I'll update this later! :-)

[Ingun Black-Briar]

SexLab Romance

 

Adds new dialogue options to hook up with NPCs ... if they're willing to have you!

 

Features:

- You can ask any NPC to "get to know better". They may or may not hook up with you, depending on their personal gender preference, their personal racial preference and your speech skill (I think?).

- You gain speech skill by trying to woo NPCs.

- You are able to have a threesome with two NPCs who agreed to hook up with you!

- All NPCs have their own gender and race preference which is what I love most about this mod. Some will tell you off remarking they're not into men/women, some will politely decline because they're in a relationship with someone else, and some will downright insult you for even suggesting such a thing. I love it!

- You can ask your follower for a favor, and they will react differently based on ... eh, I don't know what it's based on, but they'll sometimes want to have sexy times with you and sometimes not. Which is great because I don't want everyone to want to have fun with my char at all times just because they request it!

 

Options/Interface:

- Again, you can customize the mod through MCM. There are different "difficulty" settings as well as options to enforce a NPC's gender and/or racial preference.

 

Feedback:

Another favorite of mine! I especially adore the different reactions when your char tries to woo different people. I can tell this mod is still in heavy development, though, as the framework is there and working but the dialogue options require some tweaks and are often unclear and repetive. I think the author(s) of the mod intend for the mod to go deeper than it currently does, so you'd not only be able to sex a NPC but build some kind of relationship. At least that's what I seem to remember reading.

For now, the mod does what it says it does and lets you have a round of fun with a NPC (or two...) of your choice.

Threesomes seemed to be buggy for me and would often not trigger, and the dialogue options, as I've mentioned, could need a bit of tweaking. It's still a great mod, though, and I definitely want to see this continued!

 

Authors of SexLab Romance, please contact me via PM for very detailed dialogue suggestions and tweaks if you're interested, I got a ton of little suggestions I don't want to post here!

[acudaowner]

after installing sex lab i have to say i love it that and all the extras i could find they work and work well Thank you ..  i am still trying to find and replace the si and sa mods and the defeated with the sexlab version.

[JarlNick]

Good review.  You convinced me to give SL a chance and I'm glad I did.  I stopped playing Skyrim for a year and came back to find all sorts of wonderful new toys 

 

1 addition:  Submit really needs the option to shove a gag in a victim's mouth if one is on hand.  Bandits are no issue since you just kill the rest but its impossible to hunt in a city without either being arrested or slaughtering every guard. 

[Ashuraman]

So I recently found a bug in SexLab Romance and its as follows: I had sex with 2 npcs and after that I could no longer have sex with anyone, The only dialogue option after "I want you right here" was "Maybe another time". Anyone else came across this issiue? 

[Liuli]

So I recently found a bug in SexLab Romance and its as follows: I had sex with 2 npcs and after that I could no longer have sex with anyone, The only dialogue option after "I want you right here" was "Maybe another time". Anyone else came across this issiue? 

Really not the thread to seek support for SexLab Romance in. Considering that Romance wasn't updated since may, your best bet is making a thread on the SexLab Tech Support forum.