Missing wombs and eggs

[chilledflavor]

Hello!  I really thought I had this solved, but seems I must have at least one more thing out of place.

I had everything working and then saw there was a 1.15c version of Tamago Club and a newer version of Hiyoko Club.  I downloaded them, replaced the old files (oops), and let BOSS work it's magic...and disaster!  Well, nothing like several evenings of tinkering to resolve most of the issues that had occured, but I'm stumped by this last one.  No wombs, sperm, or eggs appear in inventories.  I do have realism set to 0, Umbilical cords show up, the interface appears to be tracking the menstral phase for female characters, but I can't quite sort out what's wrong.  I have my build order below.

Oblivion.esm
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
x117race.esm
Lovers with PK.esm
TamagoClub.esm
HiyokoClub.esm
LoversCreature.esm
BreakUndies.esm
BUDungeon.esm
wolfzqraceEV85.esm
wolfzqcustom85EV.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOPS Additional Changes.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
USIPS Additional Changes.esp
MaternityClothes.esp
TamagoPlayerHUDkil.esp
TamagoNews.esp
TamagoShop.esp
TamagoTopic.esp
TamagoConfide.esp
LoversTamagoClub.esp
LoversHiyokoShooter.esp
LoversEncounter.esp
HiyokoQuestTarget.esp
HiyokoGenetics.esp
HiyokoGenerator.esp
HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp
TamagoSetBody.esp
LoversAphrodisia.esp
Damsels In Distress.esp
Real_Mannequin.esp
the punished girlbox.esp
Populated Prisons.esp
VipCxj_HighHeels.esp
Slof's Horses Base.esp
Slof's Extra Horses.esp
FutaPriory.esp
Housewives v101.esp
DarkBrotherhoodChronicles.esp
CHILDREN ANNUAD.esp
BUDungeonCore.esp
BUDequipmentNA.esp
BUDungeonAppend.esp
LoversAdultYield.esp
LoversCalm.esp
LoversSetBody.esp
LoversSoundCreature.esp
LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp
LoversDRader.esp
LoversHudInformation.esp
LoversRapeman.esp
LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp
LoversRaperS.esp
LoversJoburg.esp
LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp
LoversJealousy.esp
LoversBed.esp
LoversImmoralGuards.esp
LoversLoveJuice.esp
LoversPayBandit.esp
LoversPower.esp
LoversUtilityFunctions.esp
LoversBeatemUpS.esp
LoversContraception.esp
LoversBitch.esp
LoversCreature.esp
LoversCreatureVoiceForceEnabler.esp
LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp
LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp
LoversSkirtFlipper.esp
LoversStopCombatEx.esp
LoversSpermSplashEx.esp
LoversSummonRapeman.esp
LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp
LoversRapeSlave.esp
LoversRapeStruggle.esp
LoversMagic.esp
LoversMB2.esp
LoversSlaveTrader.esp
LSTBravilUnderground.esp
SetBody.esp
UChainBeast.esp
zzEstrus.esp
xeoex.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseA00 Hair Modules.esp
x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
MassA.I.esp
MbpGirlImp.esp
MbpGirlRed.esp
MbpGirlBosmer.esp
MbpGirlAltmer.esp
MbpGirlNord.esp
MbpGirlKhajiit.esp
Slof's Extra Horses 2.esp
wolfzqmylover85EV.esp
wolfzqTentacle85EV.esp
wolfzqcursed85EV.esp
MbpGirlBreton.esp
MONSTERGIRL-DEMON HIVE.esp
LoversUnicorn.esp
MONSTERGIRL-AMAZON.esp
MONSTERGIRL-ANGELICALLIANCE.esp
MONSTERGIRL-NECROMANCER MOON.esp
FuroGeneratorTrap.esp
Asylum.esp
LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
LoversFSE.esp
Lovers with PK.esp
Lovers with PK Extender.esp
Lovers3dorgasm.esp
Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp
LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

 

Cheers!

 

[gregathit]

Lovers Voice requires that Adult Play Plus SSP be above it in your load order.

 

PK and PK Extender should not be that low in your load order.  See the recommended load order here: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/4487-please-read-before-posting-here/

 

Also lovers is not compatible with Cursed Armor.  Having both installed and active at once will lead to issues (like animations not working correctly).

 

These two:

LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp
LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp

They can't be enabled.  They need to be in a bashed patch or you will have problems.

 

This is a VERY old plugin that serves ZERO function anymore.  Delete it.

LoversSetBody.esp

 

 

Finally, did you make a CLEAN save OR start a new game?  If not then try doing that.

[chilledflavor]

I redid the order as you suggested, removed the outdated mod, and bashed a number of mods together.  I started a fresh game, new character; the inventory items are missing as is the "Tamago Settings" spell.

[gregathit]

Ok, let's back up:

1. The only Lovers plugins that can be in a bashed patch are the sexual organs ones.  All other Lovers and Tamago club esm & esp files need to be disabled prior to you building your bashed patch.

2.  Confirm that the above is correct and then let's go from there.

[chilledflavor]

Ah!  Perhaps that's why the animations broke this time around.  Let me tinker with rebuilding the bash and stripping down to just the core mods.  I will post results.  :-)

[chilledflavor]

After much tinkering; I did remove all mods, built bash patch without; then progressively brought them back online.  The Animation issue seems to have been due to where I had Lovres with PK Extender.  Moving it below LoversFSE appears to have fixed the animation problem.  I still cannot get female characters or NPC's to have a womb or show sperm; even on a fresh start with a new character.

Latest Build Order:

Oblivion.esm
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
x117race.esm
Lovers with PK.esm
TamagoClub.esm
HiyokoClub.esm
LoversCreature.esm
BreakUndies.esm
BUDungeon.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOPS Additional Changes.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
USIPS Additional Changes.esp
MaternityClothes.esp
TamagoPlayerHUDkil.esp
TamagoNews.esp
TamagoShop.esp
TamagoTopic.esp
TamagoConfide.esp
LoversTamagoClub.esp
LoversHiyokoShooter.esp
LoversEncounter.esp
HiyokoQuestTarget.esp
HiyokoGenetics.esp
HiyokoGenerator.esp
HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp
TamagoSetBody.esp
LoversAphrodisia.esp
Damsels In Distress.esp
Real_Mannequin.esp
the punished girlbox.esp
Populated Prisons.esp
VipCxj_HighHeels.esp
Slof's Horses Base.esp
Slof's Extra Horses.esp
FutaPriory.esp
Housewives v101.esp
DarkBrotherhoodChronicles.esp
CHILDREN ANNUAD.esp
BUDungeonCore.esp
BUDequipmentNA.esp
BUDungeonAppend.esp
LoversAdultYield.esp
LoversCalm.esp
LoversSoundCreature.esp
LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp
LoversDRader.esp
LoversHudInformation.esp
LoversRapeman.esp
LoversRaperS.esp
LoversJoburg.esp
LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp
LoversJealousy.esp
LoversBed.esp
LoversImmoralGuards.esp
LoversLoveJuice.esp
LoversPayBandit.esp
LoversPower.esp
LoversUtilityFunctions.esp
Lovers with PK.esp
LoversBeatemUpS.esp
LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp
LoversContraception.esp
LoversBitch.esp
LoversCreature.esp
LoversCreatureVoiceForceEnabler.esp
LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp
LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp
LoversSkirtFlipper.esp
LoversStopCombatEx.esp
LoversSpermSplashEx.esp
LoversSummonRapeman.esp
LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp
LoversRapeSlave.esp
LoversRapeStruggle.esp
LoversMagic.esp
LoversMB2.esp
LoversSlaveTrader.esp
LSTBravilUnderground.esp
SetBody.esp
UChainBeast.esp
zzEstrus.esp
xeoex.esp
MassA.I.esp
MbpGirlImp.esp
MbpGirlRed.esp
MbpGirlBosmer.esp
MbpGirlAltmer.esp
MbpGirlNord.esp
MbpGirlKhajiit.esp
Slof's Extra Horses 2.esp
MbpGirlBreton.esp
MONSTERGIRL-DEMON HIVE.esp
LoversUnicorn.esp
MONSTERGIRL-AMAZON.esp
MONSTERGIRL-ANGELICALLIANCE.esp
MONSTERGIRL-NECROMANCER MOON.esp
FuroGeneratorTrap.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
LoversFSE.esp
Lovers with PK Extender.esp
Lovers3dorgasm.esp
Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp
LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

 

Edit:  Cycles seem to produce ovum and sex results in sperm depositing; at least according to the overlay; but I see no signs conception can occur (and the news has no mention of it either).

 

[chilledflavor]

Maybe I can restrict this down further?  Which file controls the presense of sperm and eggs in inventory?  Is that part of the core TamagoClub.esm?

[gregathit]

FSE is no longer needed with rev96v2 (from this site) and up, as it is already included.

PK Extender should be right after Lovers with PK.esp

 

The sperm and eggs are managed by Tamago Club esm or esp (perhaps both at times).

[JSmith20142]

There's no tamagoclub.esp, only the master. It controls the womb and ova (and defines everything reproduction-related). Sperm transfer is done by loverstamagoclub.esp, although the sperm are defined by tamagoclub.

 

I think the place to start looking is the tamagoclub settings spell. If that's not there, something is wrong. Have you tried adding it with the console?

 

player.addspell xx020136 where xx is the (hexadecimal) index of tamagoclub.esm in your load order.

 

[chilledflavor]

Interesting; during debugging of loading I see:


"Error in Script 040207b7
Operator -> failed to evaluate to a valid result
file: TamagoClub.esm offset: 0x01DB Command: Let"

Let me see if I can reorder as you suggest and try to command line in the item.


 

[chilledflavor]

Another piece of the puzzle; if Lovers with PK Extender is above Monstergirl-Demon hive.esp; sex animations break.  I'll move the monster girl mods above the lovers mods to correct this.

[chilledflavor]

TamagoClub Settings spell is present; and the info does display a count of sperm/ovum in a target, but there's no representation in the inventory.  Hmm...

[JSmith20142]

And you are absolutely sure you have the realism set at 0? What you describe is what happens when it's greater than 1.

 

[chilledflavor]

When I start a new game; I do not get the spell.  I added it per your instructions and it popped in.  Running the spell revealed the world had "-1" targets, and 0 of everything else.

If I load a save that previously was working, the world seems to keep track of the ovum and sperm in the world; but nothing is sitting in anyone's inventory.  I am quite perplexed.

 

[JSmith20142]

That's saying no wombs have been added to anyone in the world; something is stopping tamagoclub from initialising properly. This is not what you want to hear, but I think you need to strip your load order down to bare essentials again, then start adding things in slowly.

 

It's not quite as bad as it sounds; delete the bashed patch and (I assume you're using OBMM) uncheck the boxes for everything you don't have to have there, don't uninstall them - this is lovers with pk and the idle stuff + tamagoclub + as little else as possible. Start a new game and see if you have the settings spell. If you do, go from there - my next stage would be to deactivate lovers and tamago, introduce MBP and build the bashed patch, activate lovers + tamago, new game, see if the settings spell is there.

 

Edit : Lovers with PK Extender is _not_ one of your essentials; I've never had anything but trouble with it.

 

[chilledflavor]

Alright; I'll give that a shot.  Any idea what the script error for Tamago Club I'm seeing might be?  I'm assuming this is firing when it's trying to evaluate the world and progress stages.

[JSmith20142]

That error is in script  a4tcfAddSperm, which is called from a4tccEjaculate, which shouldn't be called during initialisation, unless you use the debug option to 'add large amounts of sperm', which I assume you're not doing. I don't think that's your problem, though, as it doesn't have anything to do with setting up the world.

 

I think the error you're seeing is this line

 

let i := ar_Size data->Sperms

 

which will indeed fail if the array Sperms hasn't been initialised properly.

 

 

[chilledflavor]

Got it; it's TamagoClubNews.esp.  Removing that from my loads allows TamagoClub to load; add womb, and present tool tips.  The spell adds correctly as well.

 

Got it all the way down to this testing:

Oblivion.esm
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
x117race.esm
Lovers with PK.esm
TamagoClub.esm
LoversCreature.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOPS Additional Changes.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
USIPS Additional Changes.esp
MaternityClothes.esp
TamagoPlayerHUDkil.esp
TamagoShop.esp
TamagoTopic.esp
TamagoConfide.esp
LoversTamagoClub.esp
LoversEncounter.esp
TamagoSetBody.esp
Lovers with PK.esp
SetBody.esp
LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

[JSmith20142]

I'm happy you've found your culprit, but TamagoNews is a very inoffensive little plugin - so if it's really the problem, I'd guess the one you have is corrupted in some way.

 

[chilledflavor]

I suppose I will find a new copy of it then.  But it's definately the decider in whether or not the whole thing works.  Odd, I agree.  I appreciate both of your help in tracking this down.