Alternatives to SL Defeat SE?

[rodrigo2]

I like SL Defeat SE but find it buggy.  Possibly because it's a port from Oldrim rather than having been written for SSE or possibly because it's script heavy and I tend to put LL mods at the bottom of rather complex load orders.  Anyhow, what are the more modern alternatives out there?  How well do they work?  Etc.

[ttts1]

The two others I've used are:

 

- Naked Defeat

- Battle Fuck

 

Naked Defeat can run with Defeat.  I run the Baka version of Defeat and use Naked Defeat to compliment what Defeat can do.  In the MCM make sure you're not putting the mods into conflict with some of your selections, however. 

 

Battle Fuck is very promising.  I'm using it in one of my current games and like some of the features, but it hasn't been around as long as Defeat and is still improving.  It has some features Defeat doesn't, but is also missing some features Defeat has.  And part of this is the difference in what the mod does, it operates differently than how Defeat initiates a scene.  Battle Fuck also has a sub-mod Nightcrawler which is a sleep assault mod, replacing Dangerous Nights or similar mods if you're running Battle Fuck.  (Nightcrawler is linked in the Battle Fuck mod page below,

 

Using MO2, i'm using different mods with different profiles.  I'm currently using Defeat for a male PC and Battle Fuck for a female PC.  Both Naked Defeat and Battle Fuck are geared toward female PCs, I think.  I think Defeat is still your best bet if you're running a male PC to be an aggressor. 

 

 

 

[volanthh]

In addition to the other recommendations, there's also Yamete.

[Kristus Kringle]

I'm currently using Naked Defeat but it's not a perfect replacement and the new version is only working about 25% of the time, problem is probably with my modlist. Still, it's probably your best bet. Up to v3 worked perfectly for me.

 

The following I haven't played in a long time so there may have been updates (except Submit, which was abandoned).

 

Submit is your basic rape if you lose in combat mod but at the end the bad guys leave you tied up and naked, vulnerable to anyone that notices you, until you escape (basically a digital dice roll). Unfortunately it's abandoned and is buggy, the worst one is that rapists steal everything and then become immortal so you are never getting it back, including quest items. You can't kill them with the console either. Also animals can steal your stuff which is weird.

 

Dragonborn in Distress best feature is the addiction play. When defeated you lose stats, drinking wine or taking skooma temporarily returns your stats but you become addicted to the substances so that your stats deteriorate without them.  You can also become addicted to sex or devious devices and may involuntarily ask people to fuck you or ask a blacksmith to equip a device. I wish the addiction was it's own mod. You can turn off rape surrender.

 

Yet Another Combat Rape is interesting. You have the option of no rape, rape once and done, or endless rape from which you have to escape. Escaping is basically pushing a button which simulates a "roll of the dice" to see if you escape or help arrives. It also has an armor break which means armor gets used up and has to be replaced, a feature I really like although it only seems to work on the PC. There is another armor break mod called Breakable Equipment System that works on NPCs and is highly configurable. 

 

Honestly none of them are as good as Defeat when it's working.

[ttts1]

On 11/7/2021 at 10:35 AM, volanthh said:

In addition to the other recommendations, there's also Yamete.

 

I haven't tried Yamete.  How is it compared to the others mentioned.  I personally like all of the 3 I've tried (Defeat, Naked Defeat, and Battle Fuck) for different reasons. 

 

I am curious about Yamete but don't want to change my mod lists and start a new save while in the middle of a couple others.

[Necronis74]

Just started using it so not positive but can tell you it is vary customizable and so far seams OK it lets you use OSA and sex labs also one more also forget witch right now. It allows you a lot of features like stripping of armor ,knockdown and a few other things as I said before all customizable kinda a pain for some of it like if you don't have it set up right, example I knocked down a bandit killed him but my follower decided to have fun with him when i knocked him down so even though he should have been dead he got back up full life and i had to fight him again and guess what he got knocked down again and the follower decided to do the same thing again. So definitely go through it and set up everything the way you want it because the starting set up is really high like 75 % knockdown rate per hit and sex chance about the same for when the knockdown happens, also from what I seen look like it supports up to 5p scenes all of it seams customizable haven't tried all of that out yet, and the author is adding a black market not sure what that is about as I said just started using it that's about all I can say about it so far but from what i have seen since i have used the other 3 also it is the most customizable by a long shot. oh by the way you can customize player, follower and NPC/monsters all differently so that can be useful

[volanthh]

19 hours ago, ttts1 said:

 

I haven't tried Yamete.  How is it compared to the others mentioned.  I personally like all of the 3 I've tried (Defeat, Naked Defeat, and Battle Fuck) for different reasons. 

 

I am curious about Yamete but don't want to change my mod lists and start a new save while in the middle of a couple others.

I like it thus far. It's pretty customizable and has some options that other Defeat style frameworks don't. I wish it had native SD+ integration though.

[Kristus Kringle]

There is one other new one called ODefeat, that works with Osex, but I haven't tried it. I've been thinking of starting a game with the Osex mods instead of Sexlab to try it out.

[rodrigo2]

I'm currently trying out Yamete!  Although it's still a work in progress, it does have a fully-functional NPC versus NPC mode in addition to NPC versus PC.  The modder -- Scrab -- is still enthusiastically working on improvements and corrections as we speak.

[rodrigo2]

22 hours ago, Duncan Idaho said:

There is one other new one called ODefeat, that works with Osex, but I haven't tried it. I've been thinking of starting a game with the Osex mods instead of Sexlab to try it out.

 

ODefeat is pretty good, but at this time, it's NPC versus PC only; there is no NPC versus NPC mode.  It's built over the OSTIM/OSEX framework.  It uses animations that have to be ported over to work with it.

[Juffo78]

I tried Naked Defeat, Battlefuck and Defeat (Baka Edition). None is really satisfying.

Naked Defeat: many bugs. Animations are not played; the PC crouches instead of being tied up and needs to jumps some times to escape; violaters don`t move afterwards and can be shot

Battlefuck: Great, but doesn`t care about the follower. And he/she interferes. Violaters can be stuck in a lieing animation and can be killed. 

Baka Defeat: when the follower is violated, items disappear. They are not droped, and the violater doesn`t have them either. And you can still die, if the attacker is not valid. In addition, you still die, if the attacker is "not valid". I was killed by bears, although I have a SL animation for it.

 

I am testing Yamete! now. Might fit the bill.

Edit: It doesn`t. Although you set the PC to essential, you keep dying. "Rushed" (SL in mid combat) works to some degree. I got no support on the website.