Spreading the Madness

[formel]

Don't rant to much about the Illuminati, the a simply part of modern pop cultur

 

The Illuminati themsels were founded in Ingolstadt a town in Bavaria with the goal to establish an enlightened society where it is not necessary that humans rule over humans. so far away from any world domination and other sinister plans. They exists for 9 years from 1776 to 1785 and were than frobiden by the elector of Bavaria. At least they counted such illustrious personalities like Knigge and Goethe to their members. Whereupon the latter joined as a spy for the duke of Sachsen-Weimar. At their vertex they had 1500-2000 members mostly in Bavaria, Weimar and Gotha, outside of Germany they were had only members in Switzerland. So overall nothing that special but the name remained some how untill today and is just that waht the conspiracy theorist waited for, for some odd reason I may add. But there you have your historical food prints

 

Leaving a legacy for the of leaving a legacy is in my eyes not sufficient. Especialy when others have to pay the price for it. In my opinion a legacy is only worth rembering when due to it the situation of humanity was improved. or the least for a part of humnaity without the suffering of the rest.

[Myst42]

Yeap... thanks for putting that

I knew the only "real" Illuminati that are historically proven are the Bavaria Illuminati, and said society is supposed to be disappeared

Personally Ive no idea if the pop culture version about them now is true or fiction

Fact is that symbols are everywhere and many things make sense

Fact is also that many things seem too crazy to be true and people are not good at keeping secrets

Yet another fact is whether they exist or not, there are greedy people in places of power

Greed is the engine that moves governments and Envy is the one that moves the masses

Because of greed, some people are poor and money destined to progress and development and projects that should help people, end up in fat greedy pockets of people who only desire power for power. That greed will eventually cause the envy of those who have less, a revolution starts and the pancake gets flipped, the ones who had less now have all and the ones who had all now have nothing and the cycle starts all over again...

 

If youre saying that only leaving a "good" legacy is right then it is a nice idea I can embrace

However sometimes, "bad" legacies cause chains of events that end up being completely unexpected so as bad as they were, many things happened because of it and nothing would be the same without the bad memories too... its a really messed up idea

But I dont think bad things are "unworthy" sure we dont like them and we condemn them and we try our best to prevent them, but as bad as they are, they are part of our history and we would be in a different place without them for better or worse... who knows...

Its a bad thing, but it happened anyway and its already a part of us. We can sorrow or we can learn from it and try to advance

 

[kingkong]

leaving a legacy What for ?

do you remeber anything of the republica romania 500 years before jc the basis of our freedum

but you remember cesar the empire dictature about 50 years before jc

not a lot of people remember the pharaons they left us some pyramides.

no one knows about stonehenge.the inca left us somthing i can not recal.

 

if you want to leave a legacy you need to start with somthing practical like a must have tool

for exemple a hammer (not sure if the inventor name was hammer).

 

i prefer not to leave any legacy with my name on it and to live a life in accordance with my principals and thinking

even if it means just breading the oxygene from this planet

 

[Emily]

Legacy is a bit to big to describe stuff we idon't/didn't/haven't make or currently have.

Let's simply leaves a trails on where we walk.

Sometimes it can saves lost souls in their wander wonders.

Though more likely they trip into the same hole we stumble on or fall to the pit that we made and sometimes even end up on the same graves.

 

Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength; mastering yourself is true power. Of course this doesn't apply on the mad and desperate, due to lack of considerations.

 

And we don't judge people from their peak of excellence, but from the 'distance' they have traveled from the point they started.

.... seriously let's not waste times on video games. yes?

[kingkong]

Legacy is a bit to big to describe stuff we idon't/didn't/haven't make or currently have.

Let's simply leaves a trails on where we walk.

Sometimes it can saves lost souls in their wander wonders.

Though more likely they trip into the same hole we stumble on or fall to the pit that we made and sometimes even end up on the same graves.

 

Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength; mastering yourself is true power.    

Of course this doesn't apply on the mad and desperate, due to lack of considerations.

this is truth 

but as you live your life and drop your self in some holes did you listen to your elder that was warning you not to fall ? 

[Myst42]

Leaving legacy to be remembered is stupid and it serves nothing more than ego

I remember the Romans and Egyptians. Civilizations may not be remembered by some people, but their culture endures to the date

English, Spanish and many other languages are based on Latin for instance

 

Man has always been looking for the answer... to the Question of Life the Universe and Everything

It is unlikely the answer is 42... or maybe it is...

What is our purpose?

 

Religion says many things, but religion was created by people

Divinity on the other hand... not separate but part of us

Reincarnation is a possibility more likely than Heaven or Hell, energy doesnt get created or destroyed, cant do that, only transformation is possible

Do people really die? or their energy passes on to another form? maybe in some cases it doesnt pass on and gets dispersed to the wind being similar concept to "absolute death"

 

If we reincarnate it is better to work for the future

if we dont, it is better to live passionately, no matter how small your environment, but just for the sake of not being another thing using space thats good for nothing

If you dont wanna live, then why are you here? It would mean you consider your own existence, meaningless

 

Its up to everyone what to do with their lives though... if they decide to use space... its their call, but they should make that choice willingly, well informed of their options

 

I think i was mistaken earlier or maybe I expressed wrong

Legacy isnt something willingly done, and no one can "try" to make a significant one

Its something that can happen when you live with passion and leave a trail like Emily said

You never know what could happen

Walking as passionate as you can be and enjoying the ride or walking dull and tired without any enthusiasm... your choice

[kingkong]

 

Man has always been looking for the answer... to the Question of Life the Universe and Everything

It is unlikely the answer is 42... or maybe it is...

What is our purpose?

 

If we reincarnate it is better to work for the future

if we dont, it is better to live passionately, no matter how small your environment, but just for the sake of not being another thing using space thats good for nothing

If you dont wanna live, then why are you here? It would mean you consider your own existence, meaningless

 

Its up to everyone what to do with their lives though... if they decide to use space... its their call, but they should make that choice willingly, well informed of their options

what if there is no answer to our purpose just a continuation of life a genetic purpose for the sack of evolution.

do you think animals life is meaningless ? do you think that life of bilion people is meaningless ?

every one is trying to live feed their children is it nonesense ?

 

i do not feel exeptional i am not different from others but i treat everyone as equal with respect.

 

i can not say if we choose our life willingly as we are the resulte of genes, social environement living environement, life accidents and life teaching.

 

and going back to the butterfly effect for me everything counts even the meaningless

[Myst42]

I think some people may consider their own life meaningless and they decide to do nothing and give themselves to the nothing

"Nothing matters" "Im here for nothing" "Therefore killing yourself or the extinction of the whole human race, life on earth and the surrounding universe doesnt matter cause it has no meaning at all and should be all returned to the Void of Nothingness"

 

Does this sound right to you?

 

What if life's purpose is just to continue for the sake of evolution? So be it

 

In fact thats my exact belief give or take a few things, like the belief that life is trying to experiment itself in an infinity of different ways 

But evolution is something not nothing

Animals have their purpose and they link perfectly into the equilibrium of the ecosystem, they are perfectly designed by Nature to fulfill their purpose

If they are, then so are we, difference is we were designed with bigger brains and the ability to build tools

 

You just sounded like people are predetermined, that about genes and social environment...

Its true that these things predispose a lot, but what about choice? If you think everything is predetermined then we dont even exist and we are all the result of predetermination and fate is very real and inevitable

 

Im going to quote quantum physics now, because of the whole impredictability thing, a theory about parallel universes was born, saying one particle can be at many places at the same time and a twin universe is created every time a choice is made, then choices do exist? it would mean fate is not the ultimate boring answer?

Fate is really boring, it never changes, and if something has been shown about the universe is that everything changes

 

Maybe everything does count for butterfly effect, but in this thing there are always junction points, key events, that only when reached the story moves forward

But for what? for a purpose? is this going anywhere?

The most likely answers to where this is going are

a ) Evolution

b ) Nothing

 

If your option is b, then Im sorry for your existence, out of faith out of purpose out of anything, cause according to option b, the whole universe shouldnt even exist and it is a very lonely, sad and despairing idea

 

If your option is a, then there is a purpose and we are all part of it. So be part of it! Play the freaking game! Dont just stand there with your arms crossed waiting for someone else to play it for you. I think the purpose is understanding and evolution. Our evolution doesnt go towards claws and fur like other animal species, it goes towards expanding brain capabilities, developing telekinesis, telepathy, being more emphatic, traveling through the universe... take your pick...

 

I dont think anything is meaningless, but some people seem to think they are and live their lives aiming towards the Nothing

 

My point is that it is about being part of it

But I must say (and repeat) that this "play the game" idea is MY OWN choice

I may not agree if someone doesnt play but its their right not to play the game and they are as free as I am to make such choice

 

Im not trying to convince anyone to play it, I just think its fun to play it and boring not to do so

But it is my opinion and everyone else is entitled to their own

 

 

 

[Emily]

 

Legacy is a bit to big to describe stuff we idon't/didn't/haven't make or currently have.

Let's simply leaves a trails on where we walk.

Sometimes it can saves lost souls in their wander wonders.

Though more likely they trip into the same hole we stumble on or fall to the pit that we made and sometimes even end up on the same graves.

 

Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength; mastering yourself is true power.    

Of course this doesn't apply on the mad and desperate, due to lack of considerations.

this is truth 

but as you live your life and drop your self in some holes did you listen to your elder that was warning you not to fall ? 

 

 

Ah yes, of course.

But there is too many holes out there.

We all eventually trip into rabbit hole anyway.

Those who doesn't make mistakes, does Nothing.

 

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[Emily]

Here Elaquimista Something to feed your fancy.

 

 

How Emily loves Emilie.

There is mad pride right there.

Hope she doesn't end up on suicide.

[formel]

On the Illuminati topic

 

 

This is the backside of seal from the U.S:A therefore it is not surprising that it appears quite often especialliy given it mysterious appearance. But taking a closer look it is not that mysterious. You have a 13-step pyramid where the steps most likely symbolize the 13 british colonies. The roman number ate the base is 1776 the year of the Declaration of Independence. The detached apex of the pyramid is there to show that the U.S.A still as to work on it's completion.

The  all-seeing eye has given the historical context a religious meaning, and given it's position I think it menas god watches over the nation. The writing on top "Annuit coeptis"(He has blessed the Started) is is a modification of quote out of Vergils Aeneis: "Jupiter omnipotens, audacibus annue cœptis.“ (Jupiter Almighty, bless the daring Started)

The writing on the buttom "Novus ordo seclorum" (a new order of the ages) is hint to the sepration from Great Britin and also a sentence in the 4. Ekologe from (again) Vergil: "Magnus ab integro sæclorum nascitur ordo“ (The major order of the age begins again).

So nothing mysterious in the symbol, evrething else is fiction.

To explain the worse things that happen on earth are no secret societies needed.

 

 

 

 

To the purpose of life: I say there is none. Everything that exists started with the universe to every lifeform in the small planet we call Earth is caused by sequence of (luky) coincidences. This my sound for some at first depressing but I think it gives the ultimate freedom. There is no external standard or expectation that have to be fullfilled. Every individual can determine it's own purpose for it's self.

 

 

And talking of parallel existing possibilities

 

 

 

 

[kingkong]

SORRY that i sounded pessimistic and fatalist that i am not but often our choises are almost predermined  it needs a lot of power to open the eyes and see other solutions and choises the same thing occur to be different or not to fit a system or not to help or not .

yes we have more than animal the use of tools yes we can understand matirial yes we can play god to forge earth but with those powers comes reposabilities . we need first understand each other, respect others life no mater if its animal , vegetal or humain .

 

the purpose of our life   humm.....   i do not know !   everyone finds an answear to his convinience

 

for me the question is how to raise morality and conscienness in humain (40 000 years that homo-sapiens exists but we still act as selfish egoist barbars ; animals are sometime more leveled)  there is a lot of parameters i can write a lot of contradictions counts and the most if i could change the world would i do it (no i did not find anything)?

[Myst42]

Emily:

 

 

Curious and talented artist you found there, I just hope she's OK you know... mentally

I looked up a bit of her story and is very sad. Great artists have died in stupid ways because they are often too damaged (mourning Kurt...)

I hope she stays mad and creative in a good way 

 

 

 

Formel:

 

On Illuminati topic:

 

 

Sure that would explain why the USA is plagued with that symbolism  and instead of secret society it would be patriotic symbolism making its way into the subconscious...

I stated that Im sure of my own beliefs so Im not afraid of Illuminati or anything else... but the idea really and I mean REALLY pisses me off   

Its because I heard some other things besides rumors of conspiracy and money and power plots, i heard about dark practices that hurt people in ways that are beyond all trace of humanity

Have a look at this: http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/paramores-brick-by-boring-brick-a-song-about-mind-control/

Its only a glimpse and example of what they say about MK Ultra

Now that youve been so kind of providing some references to better explain the All Seeing Eye and give some discredit the Illuminati theory

Please and I mean PLEASE, im beggin'

Be so kind to do the same about MK Ultra

It is the thing that most pisses me off and I REALLY want to hear an argument that says it is not true

 

 

 

About the "Question" (you know what question)

 

 

I think it depends on perspectives, which are as infinite as the multiverse itself.

Now adventuring a little further for just a second beyond checked theories and evidence based facts, Im gonna quote a philosophical idea (For me philosophy is the "scout" that explores the land before science and experimentation arrive) According to the ancients and their long lost philosophical brotherhoods of knowledge, legend talk of God, the true God (not a guy in a cloud) which is a being of INFINITY, like an entity that at some point decided to experiment itself and it "splitted" into lesser forms in order to evolve and understand itself. Every single particle carries its essence, because everything is nothing more than a "dream", God is dreaming about everything and everything is Thought (Thats ancient true belief, beyond "politheism" like its supposed to be)

This definition of God is not a bearded dude in a cloud, is it Nirvana (no relation to Kurt), its Infinity and Everything

 

Now after watching that very nice video you posted, does any of it sound familiar?

Models tend to repeat themselves in lesser and larger scales (I.E. Atoms, Saturn, Solar System, Galaxies...)

The model for life is cell, cells group forming organs, forming systems, forming creatures, forming ecosystems, forming planets

Planets are part of groups too, until reaching Galaxies

Problem is we are too small to see beyond

Forgotten ideas say each one of these systems is alive

That until reaching the largest lifeform which would be God

But we cant possibly know...

A cell has no idea it is part of a human

 

Thats in resume, what I think

And there are no coincidences or "luck", everything has causality (thats butterfly effect)

According to Einstein, God dont play dice, and I agree

I also agree with the part you say of deciding your own purpose, thats what choice is all about, nothing is decided from outside the system

I think ive cleared im a fierce defender of choice

Thats where religion is failing, to convince people that some other dude in a very distant place is going to "punish" you for your sins... God is infinity, your sins are part of it, and will meet equal reacting opposite force by law of nature not because "God is punishing you", God has better thing to do

 

Loved the video, very educative and simple spoken 

So many possibilities

From time travel to teleportation, and a lot more, that science is the future

 

 

 

Kingkong:

 

 

You said it underlined: OFTEN and ALMOST. These words say the true, there is large amount of influence in things, but there is ALWAYS a factor of improbability into the equation that could change things

You also mention responsibilities and those are very important

 

Animals have the advantage of not losing their connection with Nature, something humans cannot say

Raising morality and consciousness might just be a race against technology

Either we learn to live in peace an harmony, or our own hatred for each other will destroy us using our technology as means to it

 

 

 

Sorry the long post... In free time, Im also writer 

Not English but my own language

[Emily]

Elaquimista, try to write the messages simple and effective.

 

Kingkong, sapiens means sentient. It means that human capable to acknowledge anything and everything in their individual capacity. Fears breed Faiths.. and Madness.. And hope. Human fears bondage, poverty, loss loves, old age, sickness, death and being forgotten.

 

Sentient mind has higher function than body. But of course, back to topic. Let us all be mad and welcome to the jungle! All Fun and Games!

[Myst42]

Oh I do try, If you notice, my problem is not "not resuming", is bursting too many ideas 

Ive read books that for entire chapters all they do is repeat the same idea, I get tired...

 

Now you made me wanna listen to Guns N Roses for the nostalgia of rock bands past...

[kingkong]

Illuminati can not follow : all what i know if from davinchi code

 

the book i am trying to read  is a religeous book with a lot of repetition hard to read

 

orgy might be fun and the killing part   only on video games    i refus to kill a fly in reality life is precious.

[Emily]

Emily bet you would swat a fly if it hovers about your ears and meals.

[formel]

Formel:

 

On Illuminati topic:

 

 

Sure that would explain why the USA is plagued with that symbolism  and instead of secret society it would be patriotic symbolism making its way into the subconscious...

I stated that Im sure of my own beliefs so Im not afraid of Illuminati or anything else... but the idea really and I mean REALLY pisses me off   

Its because I heard some other things besides rumors of conspiracy and money and power plots, i heard about dark practices that hurt people in ways that are beyond all trace of humanity

Have a look at this: http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/paramores-brick-by-boring-brick-a-song-about-mind-control/

Its only a glimpse and example of what they say about MK Ultra

Now that youve been so kind of providing some references to better explain the All Seeing Eye and give some discredit the Illuminati theory

Please and I mean PLEASE, im beggin'

Be so kind to do the same about MK Ultra

It is the thing that most pisses me off and I REALLY want to hear an argument that says it is not true

 

 

Never heard from that befor. But reading this I would see as the same bullshit as the whole UFO sightings.

Of course you can damge or even alter a persons mind with torture and drugs but the person who go through it will be a mental wreck afterwards. I read this MK ULTRA programm originated in the 50s and there they had some real schocking method in psychology and assumed al lot nonsense. (one may call it the stoneage of psychology).

But interpreting this whole stuff into a song of some emo-band for teenager is realy laughable. Ask your self: If this guy were right in all points what would be achieved when they insert this on a second level in their song that nobody sees besides of him. If this band is part of the system as he claims why should they sing so "openly" about their secret methods, an indoctrination effect is not achieved when nobody even sees the message.

 

I can understand why the unconstitutionally behavior of CIA feed such theories but Iluminati who travel to the far east to learn occultism and pass this knowlege to their children via their gens Please no more!!

About the "Question" (you know what question)

 

 

I think it depends on perspectives, which are as infinite as the multiverse itself.

Now adventuring a little further for just a second beyond checked theories and evidence based facts, Im gonna quote a philosophical idea (For me philosophy is the "scout" that explores the land before science and experimentation arrive) According to the ancients and their long lost philosophical brotherhoods of knowledge, legend talk of God, the true God (not a guy in a cloud) which is a being of INFINITY, like an entity that at some point decided to experiment itself and it "splitted" into lesser forms in order to evolve and understand itself. Every single particle carries its essence, because everything is nothing more than a "dream", God is dreaming about everything and everything is Thought (Thats ancient true belief, beyond "politheism" like its supposed to be)

This definition of God is not a bearded dude in a cloud, is it Nirvana (no relation to Kurt), its Infinity and Everything

 

Now after watching that very nice video you posted, does any of it sound familiar?

Models tend to repeat themselves in lesser and larger scales (I.E. Atoms, Saturn, Solar System, Galaxies...)

The model for life is cell, cells group forming organs, forming systems, forming creatures, forming ecosystems, forming planets

Planets are part of groups too, until reaching Galaxies

Problem is we are too small to see beyond

Forgotten ideas say each one of these systems is alive

That until reaching the largest lifeform which would be God

But we cant possibly know...

A cell has no idea it is part of a human

 

Thats in resume, what I think

And there are no coincidences or "luck", everything has causality (thats butterfly effect)

According to Einstein, God dont play dice, and I agree

I also agree with the part you say of deciding your own purpose, thats what choice is all about, nothing is decided from outside the system

I think ive cleared im a fierce defender of choice

Thats where religion is failing, to convince people that some other dude in a very distant place is going to "punish" you for your sins... God is infinity, your sins are part of it, and will meet equal reacting opposite force by law of nature not because "God is punishing you", God has better thing to do

 

Loved the video, very educative and simple spoken 

So many possibilities

From time travel to teleportation, and a lot more, that science is the future

 

 

Of course everything has a cause thats a fundamental physical principle, energy can't come out of nothing. But this cause is random, it has no determind direction. It is absolute randome were in a galaxy gas strats to built larger clouds and if they can accumulate enough matter to finaly form a star and if there are enough other elements to form planets and so on.

The same you can say about evulotion. The start of evulotion is mutation but this a totaly random event, nothing that is activly done.

 

And to be smart ass : Don't compare an atome with a solar system, the electrons don't orbit the core on fixed lanes. The rules of quantum physiks can't applied on the macroscopic kosmos and vice versa.

[Emily]

Lost souls, ah there is ever so plenty outside.

Tired of living and the fears of tomorrow.

loneliness in the crowded city.

one for their own.

no blessing to count into.

Insanity, my friends, insanity.

sweet hopelessness, despair, suffering and suicide.

 

To think that some young people play madness return made them knew everything about insanity?

To think that some young people loves Sheogorath made them knew everything about insanity?

 

The key of madness, My friends.

Is to spit at your parents.

After they put their valuable gold diamond rings into your fingers.

is to spit at your parents.

The key to insanity, my friends.

is to rape your own daughters & humiliate your own sons.

 

Is to dishonor yourself is the key to madness.

[Emily]

... Emily will stop posting on this topic. only It brings backs old sick memories that best not to share among mundanes.

Remember, you wouldn't know madness or insanity without committing tremendous Sin into yourself and others.

It's not like insane lunatic could post anything on internet anyway.

 

Lastly, if anyone want to know everything about Illuminati and they correlation with madness and insanity.

Here you go: La Montaña Sagrada (The Holy Mountain, The Sacred Mountain) 1973.

 

Keep the faith & Good day.

[Myst42]

Formel:

OK... nice try, thanks anyway, I agree on some things, but others, i think Iwd have to agree to disagree

Ive always considered what you said about why being so blatant about hidden messages, I think its kinda stupid

But the things are there anyway, and its not the only band, tons of other artists have similar symbolism... Illuminati is one explanation

There could be another but what? Why is it everywhere? Whats the freaking point of it?

I concur in the fact that A LOT of this things sound like bullshit, but not all of them

You said UFO sightings are bs, but Ive seen some personally, and met a lot of people who also did. The probability indicates that the larger percentage of UFO sightings indeed ARE bs, but its not enough to say ALL of them are

 

Ill also have to agree to disagree on your point of randomness. The butterfly effect and the divergence of paths in quantum mechanics are very real

Nothing happens by chance, but by a complex net of interlinked events that lead to one another, and add to the equation. Even though in every point is a divergent path determined by a choice that creates multiple universes, our present universe is the consequence of an infinity of events that lead to this precise point, being it, the speed of wind, the density of air, the warmth of the environment and whatever you can think of that happened in a precise moment of conjunction in order to create a unique event. Now on the other hand, the fact that chance and probability are the way things get calculated now is only because there is no better way of getting results. Considering ALL the variables involved in a reaction is an impossible task

 

As to models, Im keeping my point. things tend to repeat themselves in larger models, gravitation an electromagnetic forces are in a way very similar as is the way things orbit around others, the pattern may change but the principle is the same

 

Emily:

You can doubt all you want but Emily is most definitely NOT in my head 

So she cant know of the storm that never ends

Perhaps she has a storm of her own but I cannot tell either

 

I resume I think she never understood the concept of madness I portrayed here, or never agreed with it

She keeps talking about self destruction and being mentally ill, which I call insanity

I think everyone has their own kind of madness and its not necessary to be self-destructive or screwed up to have it

Ive been screw up in many things, but mostly Ive lived a healthy life, because I chose to. I choose to learn from mistakes, and live in search of a better perspective, Instead of sitting in a couch and get high in  self-destruction. My family... well they are as mad as I am, so I never rebelled against them, I rebel against many things, like the system itself, but my family has always been there to support. And they rebel too, in a smart way, not being a random anarch, but people of thinking

But this life of mine hasnt been by any chance "normal"

So I have a nice mad family... Is it a crime? Am I to be discriminated because Im not screw up in that way?

Am I to be discriminated because I never liked drugs, or wanted to cut my veins and die?

Is it not possible to be creative and imagining without having a screw up life?

 

In my concept of madness, there are different ways, ones can destroy you, ones can impulse you, and ones can submerge you into a world of illusion. it is up to you what you do with them

Everybody is mad in a way... many people have OCD, paranoia, suicidal tendencies, maniac episodes... Most of the times these conditions make your life a mess, but you dont need to be in a mental hospital to have them, many normal peopl do and still they manage to live life in appearance of normality... they are as mad as everyone but seem normal. Its just different kinds of madness.

 

Creative madness... yes I still want to spread it

Wonderland, can be wonderful

It doesnt HAVE to be dark and depressing and about rape and abuse

 

I would call myself normal and not mad if i could only stop the storm, of ideas, voices that never end, all of them my own

Sick condition would be squizophrenia

Sane condition is only imagination mixed with rational thought but not limited by it

 

Anyway...

 

Nice to see other opinions... but I think we all have our own ideas

And well keep to them

So ill respect yours as I hope you can respect mine 

[formel]

If you want and with a bit of phantasie you can see every patterns and form them to a conspiracy theory.

In my day to day business I see a lot of men waering a tie. I come to ask myself why? Is this only a dress code or is their a second level. To they wear the tie as token of their allegiance to a secret authority that works unseen from all at their plans to shape human society after their ideals? It is obvious that this tie wearer try to gain all important positions and they have success. You can find them nowdays as heads of state, ministers, ceos of major companies, in universities and schools even in the communal administration. It is also noticeable that there are no women wearing a tie, are they allowed in this secret society? Do  the tie wearer even aim to creat a society were women have no rights? And hat hapend to those who once wore a bow tie? Where they member of an opposing organisation which got extinguished? Do all tie wearer know the sinister goals they are working for? Is the tie maybe a mind controll device? The wearing position is very suspect. It is worn around the neck and has therefore direct access to the spinal cord....Looking in my wardrobe...I have a tie too...NOOOOOOOO

A not very sophisticated conspiracy theory I confess, but you see if you want you can make it out of everything.

 

I will now not go in deepth about the UFO topic but if you wish so I can.

 

If a pysical or chemical reaction strated then it's sequence is determint by natural constants and physical and chemical laws. But for the start of these reaction it is that X meets Y and that at there meeting points the conditions allow an interaction between these two. But the movement of these through space (or every other medium) is totaly random and predictable. That is where the randomness comes into the equation. Even if all conditions allow are reaction it is not given that it will start also this is a factor that realy on likelihood.

 

 

[kingkong]

emilly

 

you are wright but not for the fly; just for the mosquito for the sack of a good sleep.

 

as for the illuminati i'll read about them surely after i finished the kabbale (it will take a while)

 

i agree with elalquimista on all the line as this is a storm with a lot of contradiction that we are aware of.

 

god is playing and laughs his bord is a mathematical and phisical equation and his dice is probablities.

 

personnaly i've never seen an ufo but can't deni it. i can only think of all the consquence that will follow disease and war (remember the spanish in the new world).  Conspiracy sure why not but i do not think of few individuals that rules the word to get money and to be mean it is just a floating idees of our own desires (energie that we can not measure yet) but why not.

everything is secret untill you discover it as sometime evidence are just under our noze but we can't see it.

 

 

[Myst42]

Finally to say these are choices one must do on a personal level

To me, about understanding the Multiverse, there are in big terms only two choices

Either you believe in Something or you believe in Nothing

 

Some people are religious, and think God is watching over us from a distant place, Some people give God many names like God or Allah, or the freaking Spaghetti Monster...

Or sometimes they have many gods and divinities. I believe in Energy and Thought which is the ultimate Infinite lifeform that contains all other lifeforms, mine is a belief based on weird stuff you only find in rare places, a belief that mixes science and experimentation with philosophy. Whether you have your own creed, or follow a "mainstream" religion. that is believing in something

Religion may have been a method for control and have many dark things, but at least the Idea of something higher brings comfort and gives hope to simple people

 

If on the other hand, you believe in Nothing, then you are true atheist. Everything is random, we already know all there is to know, nothing has purpose or meaning, and the Multiverse exists only by chance and its is the same if it exists or not because nothing matters at all. Its  an existence without meaning and it would be better if all is swallowed by the Void.

There arent any true mysteries left because all has already been explained (This is the part I hate the most, its boring to the point of making me wanna jump from a high place)

A very very sad and lonely perspective in my opinion, but who am I to question other persons beliefs... Its astonishing the amount of atheists in the world, and this perspective is so sad it surprises me they haven all killed themselves by now. I guess when you believe in Nothing, you focus on your daily routine to not think about the meaninglessness of it all

 

Another thing that is astounding to me is the massive amount of pride human race can have.

Probability is a science that is more accurate, but it doesnt hold the ultimate answer. Just like Newton and his law of gravity was superseded by Einstein's Relativity which is now being done the same by quantum physics, someday probability will be too by a better way to explain things.

Stating probability and randomness are all there is a sin of vanity committed by science over and over again. "The earth is plane!... A sphere... hah!! Thats stupid, we know for certain the earth is plane because we are scientists and we know all"

 

It is nothing more than a choice

Trying to convince other of being an atheist is as stupid as preaching Islam by violence or burning infidels and witches in the name of holy inquisition. It is trying to force your thought into another, and that never ends well

 

I was only sharing some of my appreciations. That I dont think is stupid, otherwise there would be no books

The thing about a book is you can take what is says or not to

There will always be different points of view, some agree, some disagree, some dont even care

I shared a bit of my thought

Im not atheist and at this point given what ive learnt and seen and thought, there is nothing in the world that anyone can possibly say to make me a true believer of Nothing

Perspective, evolution, knowledge and understanding, changes. Nothing, is fixed, Nothing, is the end of all things.

 

Sorry if you believe in Nothing... I say again I have nothing against anyone, I believe in freedom to think whatever you want

I just dont believe in Nothing, thats all

 

This could go on forever...

These questions have been there since the very beginning, the more we learn, the less we know

But Im so tired now...

[formel]

Well it was never my intetion to disturb you in your belives your convince to take over my few of the world. I'am sorry when I gave I the impression that this is my goal.

 

I argued more under the impression of a scintific discussion than a religious one (religious in the absence of a betteer word). Well your fusion of science and "mysticism" buged me a bit and I felt entraped to agrue against that. They are oppsoing concepts and dont't work very well together.

 

There exists non claim of absolutness of science everyone who says other wise should not taken serious. We know that we knoe nothing. Science can only show that its theories are not wrong but can never show that they are right, only falsification not verification. Such things like the Big Bang what caused it and what was bevor it, or what is outside of this universe can be neve realy answered. We can only research things that lie within this universe and thats far enough stuff to bother humanity for generations.

 

The assumption that everything is randome answers nothing it is simply the refusal of the concept of a supernatural energy or even consciousness that give things a certain direction.  Everything that can happen will happen at some point in space and time and is at first a mystery that can be deciphered (e.g which chain of reactions lead to the observed results)

But all this dose not arouse in me the need for suicied or or crashes me into depression. Quite the opposite I like to explore these frontiers even if I know I can't look beyond and everything there will reamain a big questionmark