Deumos Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 Hi. The scenario is as follows: Character is currently in a house in chorrol, character leaves house and goes straight for the mages guild, once entering the guild the game will crash on 45% loaded. If I instead go to the grey mare first, THEN to the mages guild, it will load without a crash. If I disable Lovers, crash will not happen at all. I've tried disabling a whole bunch of mods, but as long as Lovers is active, this crash will happen as described in the scenario above. Any clues to why this is happening would be appreciated. I'm only using these plugins: 9B LoversRaperS.esp9C LoversJoburg.esp9D LoversBed.esp9E Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96]9F LoversChorus.espA0 LoversSoundVolumeDown.esp They are not active while bashed patch is made. Obse V20, pluggy 132. Load order: [spoiler=Load order]Active Mod Files: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 02 Jog_X_Mod.esm 03 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.34] 04 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 5.0] 05 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 5.0] 06 Open Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.1.3] 07 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.35Beta] 08 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.8b1] 09 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c] 0A FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB8b1] 0B Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35] 0C Lovers with PK.esm 0D x117race.esm 0E Chanpon.esm 0F HorseCombatMaster.esm ** Better Looking NPC.esp 10 Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly.esp 11 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.3] ** UOPS Additional Changes.esp 12 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp 13 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 14 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.2] ++ USIPS Additional Changes.esp 15 Jpm's Vampire Hunters.esp 16 Jump Adjustment-2211.esp 17 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp [Version 5.0] 18 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp [Version 5.0] 19 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp [Version 5.0] 1A Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp [Version 5.0] ++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1] ++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1] 1B FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1] 1C All Natural.esp [Version 1.34] 1D All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.34] ++ All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3] 1E Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.8.1] 1F Immersive Interiors - Landscape Addon.esp 20 OBGE - Liquid Water.esp 21 Idle Dialogue.esp [Version 1.3] ++ Symphony of Violence.esp 22 Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.1] 23 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.34] 24 WindowLightingSystem.esp 25 Added Realistic NPC's v1.0.esp 26 Damsels In Distress.esp 27 HeresATip.esp ++ SkeletonShaders.esp 28 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.4.3] 29 Populated Prisons.esp [Version 1.2] 2A PTRoamingNPCs.esp ** PTRoamingNPCs Vwalk.esp 2B Display Stats.esp [Version 2.0.1] 2C Immersive Combat Music.esp [Version 1.00] 2D kuerteeCleanUp.esp 2E MigMiscellanea.esp [Version 1.5] 2F Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.42] 30 Quest Log Manager.esp [Version 1.3.2] 31 Streamline 3.1.esp 32 Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.1.1] 33 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9.3] 34 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.9.3] 35 Enhanced Hotkeys.esp [Version 2.3.1] ++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp 36 Adonnays Elven Weaponry for NPCs.esp 37 phinix_dual-wield_imports.esp 38 PTArtifacts.esp 39 PTRepairKits.esp 3A Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp 3B FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1] 3C Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.09] 3D FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1] 3E Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.35Beta] 3F Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp ** OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 2.0] ++ Adonnays Elven Weaponry for NPCs - Armamentarium piggyback.esp 40 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb8b1] 41 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8] ++ FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp [Version 3.8b1] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.8b1] 42 Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp [Version 3.8b1] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.8b1] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp [Version 3.8b1] 43 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.8b1] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp [Version 3.8b1] 44 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c] ** TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp ++ TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c] 45 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c] ** ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp ++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c] 46 kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Wisp and VASE Addon.esp [Version 3.8b1] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp 47 Mart's Monster Mod - Mummies.esp ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.8b1] ++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01] ++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35] 48 CNRP Bruma4OOO.esp [Version 0.2] 49 CNRP Cheydinhal4OOO.esp [Version 1.0] 4A CNRP FightersGuild4OOO.esp [Version 1.0] ** Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp [Version 1.03] 4B 300 Regal Imperial City 2.esp 4C Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp [Version 3.21] 4D Break Into the Arcane University.esp 4E ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp 4F Kragenir's Death Quest.esp [Version 2.11] 50 KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp 51 Punk Stevo - Brutal Underground.esp 52 Retbury Village.esp [Version 1.1] ** Retbury Village - AN Patch.esp [Version 1.1] 53 Tavern-Goers 2.esp ** Tavern-Goers 2 Vwalk.esp 54 thievery.esp 55 thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2] 56 Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp [Version 3.0.5] ** Cyrodiil Travel Services Vwalk.esp 57 Knights.esp ** Knights Vwalk.esp ++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1] 58 DarkBrotherhoodChronicles.esp [Version 1.1] 59 Roads of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.0] 5A ROC+DBC Patch.esp [Version 1.0] 5B Faregyl.esp [Version 2.0.11] ** Faregyl Vwalk.esp 5C Feldscar.esp [Version 1.0.13] ** Feldscar Vwalk.esp 5D Gottshaw Village.esp [Version 1.0.1] ** Gottshaw Village Vwalk.esp 5E Molapi.esp [Version 1.0.1] 5F PTMudwater.esp 60 Reedstand.esp [Version 1.0.4] ** Reedstand Vwalk.esp 61 Urasek.esp [Version 1.0.4] ** Urasek Vwalk.esp 62 Vergayun.esp [Version 2.0.2] ** Vergayun Vwalk.esp 63 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2] 64 xulTheHeath.esp 65 xulEntiusGorge.esp [Version 1.2.1] 66 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1] 67 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.2] 68 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.3] ** xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp 69 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.5] 6A xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.4] ** xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp 6B xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.2] 6C xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.4] 6D xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6] 6E xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3] 6F xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.4] 70 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1] 71 xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp [Version 1.3.3] ** xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat Vwalk.esp 72 xulPantherRiver.esp 73 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2] 74 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1.1] ** xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp 75 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.8] ** xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp 76 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0] 77 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1] 78 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2] ** xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp 79 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.2] ** xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp 7A ROC+UL Skingrad Outskirts Patch.esp 7B xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.5] 7C Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp [Version 1.0.2] 7D xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12] ** xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp 7E xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.3] 7F xulJerallGlacier.esp [Version 1.0.1] 80 xulTheEasternPeaks.esp [Version 1.0] ** xulTheEasternPeaks Vwalk.esp 81 ROC+UL-II Patch.esp [Version 1.0] 82 DarkBrotherhoodChronicles-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp [Version 1.2] 83 KragenirsDeathQuest-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp [Version 2.0] 84 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp ** ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts Vwalk.esp 85 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - OOO FCOM patch by Xtudo.esp 86 ImpeREAL Forts + Silverfish River Patch.esp 87 Sutch Village.esp [Version 1.0.3] ** Sutch Village Vwalk.esp 88 LostCoast + SutchVillage Patch.esp [Version 1.0] 89 Open Cities New Sheoth.esp [Version 2.0] 8A Open Cities Reborn.esp [Version 1.1.4] 8B ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - OCR.esp [Version 1.1.5] 8C OCR + OOO Patch.esp [Version 3.0.1] 8D OCR+ULCH Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3] 8E OCR+ULBWForest Patch.esp [Version 1.0.2] 8F OCR+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp [Version 1.1] 90 OCR+ULSkingradOutskirts Patch.esp [Version 2.0] 91 Sounds of Cyrodiil - OC Reborn Patch.esp [Version 1.1] 92 OCR+DBC Patch.esp [Version 1.0] 93 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] 94 Better Dungeons.esp 95 NeoDarkarmor.esp ++ ZealotF.esp 96 DS Less Predictable Respawn.esp [Version 1.1] 97 ExpandedGreetings.esp [Version 1.0] 98 Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp ++ Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp ** Leviathan Soul Gems Abridged.esp 99 Nephs Unique Thievery.esp 9A PWRunSpeed.esp 9B LoversRaperS.esp 9C LoversJoburg.esp 9D LoversBed.esp 9E Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96] 9F LoversChorus.esp A0 LoversSoundVolumeDown.esp A1 Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp A2 upperGothicClutter.esp A3 Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp [Version 5.4.3] A4 Alternative Beginnings.esp [Version 1.4.1] A5 RealisticFatigue.esp A6 RealisticHealth.esp A7 RealisticForceMedium.esp A8 RealisticMagicForceLow.esp A9 Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp AA RefScope.esp [Version 2.1.2] AB Syc_AtHomeAlchemy_No_Bounty_v2.esp AC Poison Equipper.esp AD Lightweight Potions.esp [Version 1.1] AE MerchantFriendsBuysStolen.esp [Version 2.0] AF Morrowind Lockpicking.esp B0 SM Bounty.esp [Version 1.22c] B1 sycHearNoEvil.esp [Version 1.0] B2 kuerteeCrimeHasWitnesses.esp ++ GuildBetrayal.esp B3 Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp B4 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp B5 Duke Patricks - Smash of the Titans.esp B6 Unequip Broken Armor.esp B7 JCN_AV Uncap.esp [Version 1.01] B8 SDR_Core.esp [Version 4.5.5] B9 Oblivion XP.esp BA SDR_Perks And Patches (Oblivion).esp [Version 4.5.0] ** SWalk.esp ++ DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp ** Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp ** Cava Obscura - SI.esp ** Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp BB DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp ** Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp ++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp BC Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp BD Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp BE x117race.esp ++ x117Race ENG Race.esp BF Lop-ears Elf.esp C0 EURN.esp C1 Ahtata_Khabaxi.esp C2 ahtata dremora.esp C3 Ahtata Arquamer female got hair.esp C4 ahtata Ork.esp C5 SuccubusRace.esp ** [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp C6 DS Flaming Arrows.esp [Version 1.2] ++ OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp [Version 1.33] ** Sensual Walks.esp ** Sensual Walks SI.esp ** Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp ** ROC - OCReborn Road Record.esp ** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.34] C7 Bashed Patch, 0.esp C8 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp C9 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp CA Duke Patricks - Magic you can believe in.esp CB Duke Patricks - Nosferatu Class Vampires.esp [Version y] CC Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp [Version 7.3.5] Naturally, I could avoid it by just going to the grey mare first, but I'd prefer not to ignore the real problem and see if I can get it solved.
gregathit Posted April 13, 2013 Posted April 13, 2013 I recommend the following: 1. Drop all your lovers esp files down to just above your bashed patch. 2. Move LoversIdle and LoversAnim down to the very bottom of your LO. 3. You might look at getting rid of Punk Stevo - Brutal Underground.esp I found that plugin to be riddled with errors and issues. Your call. It was a cool plugin that I played through and uninstalled. The really odd thing is none of the lovers plugins that you have installed have anything to do inside the gray mare so I think lovers isn't the real cause of the crashes.
Deumos Posted April 13, 2013 Author Posted April 13, 2013 I recommend the following: 1. Drop all your lovers esp files down to just above your bashed patch. 2. Move LoversIdle and LoversAnim down to the very bottom of your LO. Okay, wow. I feel very stupid right now, as much as I normally tweak the load order when trying fix issues, it completely slipped my mind to do it this time. And wouldn't you know it, it worked like a charm! Reloaded the save several times to confirm it. Thank you for the help. The really odd thing is none of the lovers plugins that you have installed have anything to do inside the gray mare so I think lovers isn't the real cause of the crashes. I assumed, without knowing how Lovers works of course, that some event was playing out in the mages guild, but visiting another interior first reset it or something along those lines. 3. You might look at getting rid of Punk Stevo - Brutal Underground.esp I found that plugin to be riddled with errors and issues. Your call. It was a cool plugin that I played through and uninstalled. Hm, thank you for pointing this out. I did notice some weird things when I cleaned it in TES4Edit, aside from the ITM and UDR, I saw some other values that was not properly filled out. What kind of issues did you experience? I love arena type of quests, and the vanilla isn't enough, so I was greatly looking forward to give it go.
gregathit Posted April 13, 2013 Posted April 13, 2013 If you are working properly then keep the Brutal Underground until you finish it. I noticed a bunch of dirty edits and other stuff as I played it and while it is enjoyable to play through once, it isn't good enough to keep around in my opinion. You may feel otherwise, so it is best to roll with it and see what you think. Cheers, Greg
Deumos Posted April 13, 2013 Author Posted April 13, 2013 I will keep that in mind, and disable it for now, until I feel I can play through it quickly in one go. Thanks!
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