Animations start slowly, or not all (don't display on screen but active in console log)

ExodusTransonicMercury · January 22, 2021

Hi! I finally managed (thanks SSE's ESLs and ESP-FEs, MergePlugins and zMerge) to pull mostly pretty much all I wanted on my SE load order : variety in armors and weapons, adventures in Skyrim and other lands, a few SL mods (though I had to let go of a few stuff such as Wartimes' Daughter, Defeat, The Last Refuge (and addons), SL Survival among others, to save for each multiples esp slots or because of issues with those). Cleaned most of the usual blackfaces by editing the files in SSEdit. The last MergePlugins merged plugins have been disabled and are being replaced by zMerge merge plugins (on the hypothesis that some were potentially erroneous though possible to merge without errors in MergePlugins).

At the end of the line, the result is pretty neat in-game. Except the "bad endings".

I hope the answer wasn't given recently (I found threads here and on Reddit that shared similarity in the problem but I didn't wanted to necro them, + the attempted fixes there didn't worked).

I currently experience long delays before the animations start (more than usual).

Some animations correctly load eventually, while others don't.

The PC stands -often in mid-air- and moves on stand (idles). The angle of the camera is frozen where he look at some point (I'm using Look What You See).

The NPC moves on stand.

I have full control over camera.

From the console (screenshots):

- The succession of "ActorAlias[Name] - Distance From WaitRef[ID] : [distance]" could be the source of the delay?

- The animations do start and end, with orgasm at some point, according to the log.

I was just testing it (and testing Cursed Loot's rape feature as well, as DCL is one of the few SL mods on this load order), and I'm almost sure the same animation was announced and played out right twice before failing a third time.

Given I also have recurrent problems with Death Alternative (going in bleedout by fighting or falling from height often, quite possibly always stuck the PC indefinitely into bleedout kneeling), it kills the thrill of the bad endings (virtually all end up in reloading a pre-defeat, which defeats the purpose)(which is a shame given Sanguine's Debauchery seemed to run exceptionally well on this load order).

I'm leaving aside Sexlab Defeat for now for the same reasons, though DA might have been the cause of my problems since the beginning.

Any advice on settings to have a fluid game with any or both of those mods? or if SL Defeat on its own would be a good alternative.

I'll be happy to be hear any suggestion (such as engines fixes or loading "boosters", though I believe I have all compatible and up-to date fixes).

I believe I have all the requirements and compatibility patches for my mods. I fear the answer to my problem is "you've got too many mods", though I hope someone has experienced similar problems and found the fix.

Down here information that might be relevant.

I use Vortex, up to date. I don't intend to use another mod organizer.

here my load order (merge plugins detailed).

Spoiler

05 * Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
06 * RSkyrimChildren.esm
07 * ImCh.esm
08 * Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
09 * BSAssets.esm
0A * MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
0B * BSHeartland.esm
0C * Dwarfsphere.esp
0D * Penitus_Oculatus.esp
0E * BS_DLC_patch.esp
OF * Campfire.esm
10 * Falskaar.esm
11 * Vigilant.esm
12 * ZaZAnimationPack.esm
13 * Gray Fox Cowl.esm
14 * SexLab.esm
15 * SexLabAroused.esm
16 * Devious Devices - Assets.esm
17 * Devious Devices - Integration.esm
18 * daymoyl.esm
19 * EFFCore.esm
1A * Heels Sound.esm
1B * Resources - The Great Cities.esp
1C * Paradise_City_RESOURCES.esm
1D * Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
1E * Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm
1F * CreatureFramework.esm
20 * Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
21 * Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
22 * WARZONES - SSE - Civil Unrest.esp
23 * TrueStormsSE.esp
24 * Obsidian Weathers.esp
25 * SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
26 * EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
27 * Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
28 * Dark_Forests.esp
29 * Merge World Overhaul.esp (Immersive Farms.esp, Shadowmarks.esp, The Forts of Skyrim-Rebuilt.esp, GKShacks.esp, Man Those Borders!.esp, Nordic Ruins of Skyrim.esp, Point The Way.esp, hillinalta2.esp, fallentreebridgesSSE.esp, fallenbridgesSSE-Patch.esp)
2A * Merge Northern Holds Coast and Sea Overhaul.esp (DepthsOfSkyrim.esp, Praxus1_ColdBeachShack.esp, Darkwater Crossing.esp, Skaal Village.esp, Solitude Skyway SE.esp, Windhelm Lighthouse.esp, Northern Marsh Bridges SE.esp, Enhanced Ships of Solitude SSE.esp, KvHarborside.esp, middenexpandedlitesse.esp)
2B * Merge Morthal-Hjaalmarch Markath-Reach Overhaul.esp (Great Town of Ivarstead.esp, Great Town of Shor's Stone.esp, Great Village of Mixwater Mill.esp, Great Town of Karthwasten.esp, SnowhawkRuins.esp, Sky City.esp)
2C * iNeed.esp
2D * iNeed - Extended.esp
2E * fortdawnguardimmersive.esp
2F * The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.esp
30 * BluePalaceTerrace.esp
31 * Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
32 * Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
33 * GreatWarSkyrim.esp
34 * Sanctuary Reborn.esp
35 * Cutting Room Floor.esp
36 * Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
37 * Enhanced Solitude SSE.esp
38 * Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp
39 * SkyrimSewers.esp
3A * Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp
3B * FDIPCEPatch.esp
3C * Blues Skyrim.esp
3D * Merge Whiterun Hold Overhaul.esp (Gildergreen Regrown.esp, High Hrothgar Enhanced.esp, Goodfellow's Whiteun Hold.esp, TacticalValtheim.esp, Fall of Granite Hill.esp, Kato's Riverwood.esp, WarmaidenReforged.esp)
3E * Civil War Aftermath.esp
3F * Beasts of Tamriel.esp
40 * MoreNastyCritters.esp
41 * Helgen Reborn.esp
42 * Windhelm Expansion.esp
43 * Undriel_QuaintRavenRock.esp
44 * moonpath.esp
45 * Merge Moonpath Fixes.esp (Moonpath Music - Sky and Lighting fix - merged.esp, Moonpath Navmesh Fix.esp)
46 * The Great City of Solitude.esp
47 * The Great Village of Old Hroldan.esp
48 * Skyrim Bridges.esp
49 * EconomyOverhaulandSpeechcraftImprovements.esp
4A * OpulentThievesGuild.esp
4B * Whistling Mine.esp
4C * Soljund's Sinkhole.esp
4D * Settlements Expanded SE.esp
4E * Reliquary of Myth.esp
4F * Combat Evolved.esp
50 * Immersive Weapons.esp
51 * DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
52 * OBIS SE.esp
53 * Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
54 * This Is Jorrvaskr.esp
55 * AVExpansion.esp
56 * OBIS Loot SE.esp
57 * hydra_slavegirls.esp
58 * Hunterborn.esp
59 * HearthfireMultiKid.esp
5A * hearthfireextended.esp
5B * OwnCivilWar.esp
5C * Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
5D * JRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.esp
5E * StressAndTrauma.esp
5F * SLAnimLoader.esp
60 * SimplyKnock.esp
61 * SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
62 * EconomyOverhaul CV - DawnofSkyrim Patch.esp
63 * followingmercer.esp
64 * Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
65 * WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp
66 * YurianaWench.esp
67 * SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp
68 * Here There Be Monsters.esp
69 * Better Harvesting.esp
6A * Merge Lore Weapons Expansion.esp (Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.espn Goldbrand.espn Relics of the Crusader.esp)
6B * sanguinesDebauchery.esp
6C * Merge Followers.esp (Immersive Followers.esp, SassyGirls.esp, Hoth+UFO Patch (UFO is not required), Matti.esp)
6D * The Brotherhood of Old.esp
6E * Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
6F * cliffs.esp
70 * CFTO.esp
71 * Run For Your Lives.esp
72 * CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
73 * Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
74 * Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
75 * ImmersiveFactionOutfits.esp
76 * Merge Metalsaber Aela Serena Valerica.esp (AelaStandalone.esp + Qw_AelaStandalone_USSEP Patch.esp, Serana.esp and Valerica.esp from Seranaholic, Metalsabers Elegant Elves, Beautiful Orcs, Beautiful Mages of Skyrim)
77 * AretinoHome.esp
78 * Riften Docks Overhaul.esp
79 * WhiterunDefenses.esp
7A * Paradise_City_Merged.esp
7B * NarrativeLoot Complete.esp
7C * Stonehills Reborn.esp
7D * Bruma - Better Defendable.esp
7E * YellowKing.esp
7F * Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
80 * Dawnguard Sentries SE.esp
81 * Clockwork.esp
82 * Keld-Nar.esp
83 * Merge Standalone Weapons.esp (InsanitySorrow Weapons Pack.esp, Dwemer Longrifle.esp, TheLostRoscreanBlade.esp, skyforgedWeapons.esp)
84 * ZaFromTheDeepsV2.esp
85 * SimpleSlavery.esp
86 * Immersive Horses.esp
87 * Immersive Patrols II.esp
88 * Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp
89 * DIS_Heavy_Legion.esp
8A * SexLab_Dialogues.esp
8B * GiantsForceOfNature.esp
8C * imp_helm_legend.esp
8D * Boethiah's Bidding.esp
8E * Hold Riders.esp
8F * SLPrivacy.esp
90 * PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
91 * Identity Crisis.esp
92 * Merge Deadly Dragons - Diverse Dragons Collection.esp (Deadly Dragons - Diverse Dragons Collection.esp, DeadlyDragon Optionals.esp, Main Towns Not Safe Zones, DeadlyDragons.esp, DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp)
93 * LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp
94 * Retirement.esp
95 * DiverseWerewolvesCollection.esp
96 * Merge Animallica and Wild Herds.esp
97 * OldHroldanRuins.esp
98 * Fredas_Night_Fashion.esp
99 * Markarth Entrance Overhaul.esp
9A * Midwood Isle.esp
9B * MI Alt Ship Loc 2.esp
9C * The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp
9D * PumpingIron.esp
9E * Streamlined Bleak Falls and Golden Claw.esp
9F * SaveTheBrotherhood.esp
A0 * HelgenReborn+CFTO.esp
A1 * PrinceandPauper.esp
A2 * stendarrsbeaconenhancedRv4sse.esp
A3 * vxbetrayal.esp
A4 * Provincial Courier Service.esp (this one and others are supposed to be in a zMerge plugin, but Wrye Bash keep enabling them back, and I usually end up getting rid of to avoid the trouble)
A5 * daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp
A6 * [SunJeong] Ninirim Collection.esp
A7 * ForgottenCity.esp
A8 * SpousesEnhancedSE.esp
A9 * Sneak Tools.esp
AA * The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
AB * tpos_forgottencity_entrance.esp
AC * House Map Markers Legendary.esp
AD * Settlements Expanded SE - No Snow Under the Roof Patch.esp
AE * Merge Standalone Armors Clothes V2.esp ([Melodic] Fire Soul, Nordic Wanderer.esp, Nordic Wanderer Beast Races.esp, SkyblivionSteelArmor.esp, RM_Barbarian.esp , [SunJeong] Black Leather Thief.esp, BosmerHeaddresses.esp, Wooden Frame Packs.esp)
AF * Lucien.esp
B0 * Haem Projects Goblands.esp
B1 * Savos Aren's Regrets.esp
B2 * Fortified Whiterun - Full Version - Dawn of Skyrim 1.4 patch.esp
B3 * LoversComfort.esp
B4 * BeyondSkyrimMerchant.esp
B5 * bs tamrielic influence.esp
B6 * WarmongerArmory_SSE.esp
B7 * Men of Winter.esp
B8 * radovar's revenge.esp
B9 * All Geared Up.esp
BA * UIExtensions.esp
BB * AddItemMenuSE.esp
BC * Bijin AIO.esp
BD * Whistling City Ruins.esp
BE * Maelstrom.esp
BF * My Home Is Your Home.esp
C0 * Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
C1 * Merge Apocalypse addons.esp (Ocato's Recital - Auto Dispel.esp, More Apocalypse.esp)
C2 * DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
C3 * AssassinEnchantment.esp
C4 * Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
C5 * aAxeRSCtweaks.esp
C6 * JRMoonpathBrumaPatch.esp
C7 * Lucien-Moonpath-Patch.esp
C8 * The_Sinister_Seven.esp
C9 * Forge Water Fix - CRF Patch.esp
CA * BlockSteal.esp
CB * BurdensOfSkyrim.esp
CC * GeneralGoodsSaltFlour.esp
CD * K2 Naked Mage.esp
CE * Cinematic Dragon Soul Absorbtion.esp
CF * Crime Overhaul.esp
D0 * Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp
D1 * Enhanced WheelMenu Control.esp
D2 * FollowersDeathChance_EFFv2.esp
D3 * GIST soul trap.esp
D4 * Guards Attack Hostiles.esp
D5 * honedmetal.esp
D6 * iHUD.esp
D7 * Immersive Horses - BS Bruma Patch.esp
D8 * Intoxication.esp
D9 * KatanaCrafting.esp
DA * XyzNightEyeNPC.esp
DB * UltimateCombat.esp
DC * Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
DD * RaceMenuHH.esp
DE * Realistic AI Detection 2 SE - Medium Interior, Medium Exterior.esp
DF * SD Addons.esp
E0 * MigSlowAtk.esp
E1 * Followers_StealthKills.esp
E2 * suspiciouscityguards.esp
E3 * TKDodge.esp
E4 * HitStop.esp
E5 * TKRecoil.esp
E6 * TGBC.esp
E7 * WetandCold.esp
E8 * DIS_Armor_Fractions.esp
E9 * Devious Devices For Him.esp
EA * Hunterborn - Soups and Stews.esp
EB * LeftHandRings.esp
EC * dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
ED * Unique Uniques.espp
EE * Skyland Watercolor - Slow Green.esp

EF * XPMSE.esp
F0 * Merge Eyes and HairV2.esp (Eyes of Beauty, EoB Elves Editions, Apachii, KS Hairdos, SGHair)
F1 * FNIS.esp
F2 * Trade & Barter.esp
F3 * Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remastered.esp
F4 * aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp
F5 * NordWarUA's Race Armor Expansion.esp
F6 * Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
F7 * Apocalypse Adjustments - Ordinator.esp
F8 * Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
F9 * Merge Ordinator addons.esp (Immersive performance for Ordinator, Ordinator Spellscribe Sound Addon, Ordinator-Throne of Nirn Improved)
FA * Lock_Overhaul.esp
FB * Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
FC * RealisticWaterTwo.esp
FD * Atlas Map Markers.esp

FE(000) * Remove Mods from System Menu.esl
FE(001) * MajesticMountains_Moss.esp
FE(002) * RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
FE(003) * The Green Wall.esl
FE(004) * SnowWhaleBones.esl
FE(005) * BlackSacramentArmor.esl
FE(006) * DF_T19.esl
FE(007) * DevilsDaedraArmor.esl
FE(008) * Frostbite.esl
FE(009) * hdtHighHeel.esm
FE(00A) * LindaOutfit.esl
FE(00B) * Sexy Imperial General Armor.esl
FE(00C) * SmithingAndSmeltingImproved.esl
FE(00D) * SolitudeLightHouseFix.esl
FE(00E) * SurvivalControlPanel.esp
FE(00F) * [dint] BDO Striker BI.esl
FE(010) * Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl
FE(011) * TissHeadTrack.esl
FE(012) * SleepTight.esl
FE(013) * FloraRespawnFix.esp
FE(014) * Hearthfires Houses Building Fix.esp
FE(015) * SkyUI_SE.esp
FE(016) * Bee Hives.esp
FE(017) * NSUTR_bugfixes.esp
FE(018) * ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp
FE(019) * Immersive Movement.esp
FE(01A) * Mortal Enemies.esp
FE(01B) * Calcelmo Has Standards.esp
FE(01C) * ELFX Fixes.esp
FE(01D) * ELFX - NoPlayerHomes.esp
FE(01E) * FDIPCEnhancedPatch.esp
FE(01F) * BDBrumaCreatures.esp

FE(020) * JaxonzMCMKicker.esp
FE(021) * Minotaurs for Dan.esp
FE(022) * JK's Dragonsreach.esp
FE(023) * Jk Dragonsreach Castle Enhanced patch.esp
FE(024) * FDIELnFXPatch.esp
FE(025) * Vigilant Voiced.esp
FE(026) * BluePalaceTerrace-EnhancedSolitude-Patch.esp
FE(027) * BluePalaceTerrace-PalacesCastlesEnhanced-Patch.esp
FE(028) * Noisy Thief.esp
FE(029) * 3BBB.esp
FE(02A) * [Odd] Hellraiser.esp
FE(02B) * MHWBanbaro.esp
FE(02C) * WARZONES - SSE - Civil Unrest MCM.esp
FE(02D) * HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
FE(02E) * RoM - SIC Patch.esp
FE(02F) * Oakwood.esp
FE(030) * AncientLand2.esp
FE(031) * Armor Variants Expansion - WACCF Patch.esp
FE(032) * AngasMillReborn.esp
FE(033) * RoM - Wintersun Patch.esp
FE(034) * CollegeEntry.esp
FE(035) * CWIEnLFXSEPatch.esp
FE(036) * NARC SE for Falskaar.esp
FE(037) * Qw_BeyondSkyrimBruma_USSEP Hotfix Patch.esp
FE(038) * Qw_ACE_BSHeartland Patch.esp
FE(039) * BSHeartland - Unofficial Patch.esp
FE(03A) * OpulentThievesGuildPatch.esp
FE(03B) * TGCoS [PATCH - Dark Forests of Skyrim SE].esp
FE(03C) * GreatCitiesBridgesPatch.esp
FE(03D) * PCE - Skyrim Sewers Patch.esp
FE(03E) * PCE - ELFX PATCH.esp
FE(03F) * helmetwithcirclet.esp
FE(040) * giant8toe.esp
FE(041) * RoriksteadBasaltCliffs.esp
FE(042) * Keld-Nar + Clockwork Patch.esp
FE(043) * Royal Armory Tweaks-ICoW.esp
FE(044) * Manor Roads.esp
FE(045) * This Is Jorrvaskr - KASA.esp
FE(046) * Quaint Raven Rock - ELFX Patch.esp
FE(047) * EFFDialogue.esp
FE(048) * RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp
FE(049) * ABT SE - Kevkas All-in-One.esp
FE(04A) * GreatCitiesFalskaarPatch.esp
FE(04B) * (Pumpkin)-TEWOBA-TheExpandedWorldofBikiniArmor.esp
FE(04C) * RoM - Dragon Priest Masks Pack.esp
FE(04D) * CommunityOverlays3.esp
FE(04E) * BarbarianPaints.esp
FE(04F) * CommunityOverlays1_0T30.esp
FE(050) * SR - ELFX patch.esp
FE(051) * SR - Tweaks.esp
FE(052) * Enhanced Solitude SSE USSEP Patch.esp
FE(053) * Wintersun - Balance Tweaks.esp
FE(054) * EconomyOverhaul CV - WACCF Patch.esp
FE(055) * CWRepairs.esp
FE(056) * EconomyOverhaul CV - CuttingRoomFloor Patch.esp
FE(057) * Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP.esp
FE(058) * Windhelm Expansion - Skyrim Sewers Patch.esp
FE(059) * Flame Meshes Patch.esp
FE(05A) * RoM - CRF Patch.esp
FE(05B) * Undriel_QRR_Clockwork_Patch.esp
FE(05C) * Settlements Expanded SE - The Great Village of Old Hroldan Patch.esp
FE(05D) * No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp
FE(05E) * Settlements Expanded SE - CFTO Patch.esp
FE(05F) * PCE - USSEP+CRF Patch.esp
FE(060) * Old Hroldan Ruins - Great Villiage Patch.esp
FE(061) * Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
FE(062) * Settlements Expanded SE - Soljunds Sinkhole Patch.esp
FE(063) * ICNs_Lite.esp
FE(064) * Quaint Raven Rock - USSEP Patch.esp
FE(065) * RTDocks - Clockwork.esp
FE(066) * Settlements Expanded SE - Whistling Mine Patch.esp
FE(067) * CWICRFSEPatch.esp
FE(068) * Wintersun - USSEP Patch.esp
FE(069) * Project AHO Unofficial Patch.esp
FE(06A) * Unofficial Carved Brink Patch.esp
FE(06B) * RTDocks - CFTO.esp
FE(06C) * Markarth Entrance Overhaul - CFTO Patch [ESL].esp
FE(06D) * BuxomWenchYuriana-TheGreatCitiesMinorCitiesandTowns patch.esp
FE(06E) * CFTO - The Great City of Solitude Patch.esp
FE(06F) * RoM - WMA Patch.esp
FE(070) * GreatCitiesWaresofTamrielPatch.esp
FE(071) * MyGiantPet.esp
FE(072) * Riverwood Bridge Reborn.esp
FE(073) * Wintersun - SIC Patch.esp
FE(074) * Delphine's Map Reveals Dragon Mounds.esp
FE(075) * BSBrumaBSMerchantPatch.esp
FE(076) * CRF + Bridges Patch.esp
FE(077) * USSEP - The Great City of Solitude Patch.esp
FE(078) * TAWOBA REMASTERED Leveled List.esp
FE(079) * Men of Winter - Skills&Perks Module.esp
FE(07A) * USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
FE(07B) * IW_Bijin_Patch.esp
FE(07C) * AllThievesGuildJobsConcurrently.esp
FE(07D) * RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
FE(07E) * LucienReplacer.esp
FE(07F) * S3DRocks.esp
FE(080) * MajesticMountains.esp
FE(081) * HFE-CRF-Patch.esp
FE(082) * GreatCitiesMoonpathPatch.esp
FE(083) * BustyWenchYuriana-TheGreatCityOfSolitude Patch.esp
FE(084) * JorrvaskrTrapdoor.esp
FE(085) * BorderSense.esp
FE(086) * Elizabeth's Tower - Azura Shrine.esp
FE(087) * RoM - Apocalypse + Summermyst Patch.esp
FE(088) * Archmage.esp
FE(089) * Armor Variants Expansion - ACE Patch.esp
FE(08A) * Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
FE(08B) * RoM - ICH Patch.esp
FE(08C) * CWRepairSGW.esp
FE(08D) * RSChildren.esp
FE(08E) * Prince and the Pauper SE - RS Children Patch.esp
FE(08F) * BSHeartlandFRF.esp
FE(090) * BS Bruma Patch.esp
FE(091) * BikiniRobes_OutfitReplacerCompatibility.esp
FE(092) * Priest Vendors SE.esp
FE(093) * BlacktalonArmorV1.3.esp
FE(094) * BlendedRoads.esp
FE(095) * ForgottenCityBruma.esp
FE(096) * C5Kev's Herme Mora Priestess CBBE.esp
FE(097) * C5Kev's Sexy Bondage Armor CBBE.esp
FE(098) * C5Kev's Text From The Black Books CBBE.esp
FE(099) * AutoRescaleDisabler.esp
FE(09A) * CBBE.esp

FE(09B) * CoW Entry Requirements.esp
FE(09C) * TBoO & SS Patch.esp
FE(09D) * D13 Faster Get up Stand up Animations.esp
FE(09E) * Dalish_Vallaslin.esp
FE(09F) * Dawnguard - HoV Req.esp
FE(0A0) * DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
FE(0A1) * Qw_DeadlySpellImpacts_ISC Patch.esp
FE(0A2) * Frost Meshes Patch.esp
FE(0A3) * DragonbornAscendant.esp
FE(0A4) * DustEffectsSSE.esp
FE(0A5) * ELFX Fake Light Remover.esp
FE(0A6) * EffDistancefix.esp
FE(0A7) * RSC Enhanced Solitude Patch.esp
FE(0A8) * Falskaar - Bruma Patch.esp
FE(0A9) * Qw_ACE_SkyrimImmersiveCreatures Patch.esp
FE(0AA) * Fixes for Armor and Clothing Extension.esp
FE(0AB) * ForswornDagger.esp
FE(0AC) * GourmetGourd.esp
FE(0AD) * HFE-CFTO-Patch.esp
FE(0AE) * HFE-iNeed-Patch.esp
FE(0AF) * NordWar Helgen Armor.esp
FE(0B0) * Hunterborn - Wintersun Patch.esp
FE(0B1) * StLU - Immersive Level Up Message.esp
FE(0B2) * Immersive Patrols - Guards Armor Replacer patch.esp
FE(0B3) * Incognito.esp
FE(0B4) * LB Lady Alina SSE.esp
FE(0B5) * NPCsSwim.esp
FE(0B6) * LeftHandRings-1stPersonView.esp
FE(0B7) * McmOresFirewoods.esp
FE(0B8) * SMIM-RatwayChandellierFix.esp
FE(0B9) * sandboxcylinderheight.esp
FE(0BA) * Immersive Movement - Mortal Enemies Patch.esp
FE(0BB) * NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
FE(0BC) * ObsidianWeatherBrumaPatch.esp
FE(0BD) * Obsidian Weathers for Vigilant.esp
FE(0BE) * Obsidian Weathers MCM.esp
FE(08F) * Open Civil War Tweaks.esp
FE(0C0) * PCE - Royal Armory Patch.esp
FE(0C1) * Guards Armor Replacer - Men of Winter Patch.esp
FE(0C2) * PickpocketChanges.esp
FE(0C3) * MHIYH - BedPatchPackageFac.esp
FE(0C4) * PnP - HFMultiKid Patch.esp
FE(0C5) * AHO CRF Spell Creation Patch.esp
FE(0C6) * ARTHOakwood_RSChildrenPatch.esp
FE(0C7) * FalskaarRSChildrenPatch.esp
FE(0C8) * RSC Falskaar Patch.esp
FE(0C9) * RSC Keld-Nar Patch.esp
FE(0CA) * CRF_RSChildrenPatch.esp
FE(0CB) * RSC_USSEP_AventusFix.esp
FE(0CC) * RSC Forgotten City Patch.esp
FE(0CD) * RSC Settlements Expanded SE Patch.esp
FE(0CE) * RSChildren Patch - BS Bruma.esp
FE(0CF) * RaceMenu.esp
FE(0D0) * Relationship Dialogue Overhaul - Immersive Horses Patch.esp
FE(0D1) * RevampedDSArmorCBBESE.esp
FE(0D2) * RoyalArmoryTypoPatch.esp
FE(0D3) * AretinoHome - ELFX Patch.esp
FE(0D4) * yangyang_SavageArmor.esp
FE(0D5) * ScrapArmor.esp
FE(0D6) * Settlements Expanded SE - RS Children Patch.esp
FE(0D7) * Sheps_Tattoo_Collection.esp
FE(0D8) * ShoutPronunciations.esp
FE(0D9) * SimpleForsworn.esp
FE(0DA) * SkygazerMoonsSize.esp
FE(0DB) * Skyland Imperial Forts and Dungeons.esp
FE(0DC) * Sleep to Level Up.esp
FE(0DD) * Stonehills - USSEP Water Remover.esp
FE(0DE) * Companions Radiant Quests Requirement.esp
FE(0DF) * Gray Cowl - WACCF Patch.esp
FE(0E0) * Men of Winter - Compatibility Patch.esp
FE(0E1) * ToplessForswornAllowNecklace.esp
FE(0E2) * Beyond Bruma - Trade and Barter Patch.esp
FE(0E3) * TrollBoneArmor.esp
FE(0E4) * Obsidian_TS_Wet&Cold_Patch.esp
FE(0E5) * TsunTsun Armor Remastered.esp
FE(0E6) * DIS_Armor_Fractions_OBIS.esp
FE(0E7) * [SunJeong] Ves.esp
FE(0E8) * ObsidianWaterFix.esp
FE(0E9) * True Storms - Obsidian Weathers - Patch .esp
FE(0EA) * DIS_Armor_Fractions_WACCF.esp
FE(0EB) * Immersive Armors UFA Fix.esp
FE(0EC) * Windhelm Docks Map Marker.esp
FE(0ED) * HH Enhanced - Shadows Patch.esp
FE(0EE) * Wintersun - CRF Patch.esp
FE(0EF) * Wolfpaint_Face.esp
FE(0F0) * ZAZpatch.esp
FE(0F1) * Lupine_ZiovendianBodypaints.esp
FE(0F2) * [Christine] Airisu.esp
FE(0F3) * [Christine] Akavir Ren.esp
FE(0F4) * [Christine] Altmer Archer.esp
FE(0F5) * [Christine] Clockwork.esp
FE(0F6) * [Christine] Dragon Breaker.esp
FE(0F7) * [Christine] Dragon Veil.esp
FE(0F8) * [Christine] Earth Warden.esp
FE(0F9) * [Christine] Forsworn Retribution.esp
FE(0FA) * [Christine] High Queen.esp
FE(0FB) * [Christine] Hunterborn.esp
FE(0FC) * [Christine] Nord Ascended.esp
FE(0FD) * [Christine] Shunned Draugr.esp
FE(0FE) * [Christine] Wood Warden.esp
FE(0FF) * [Christine] Zhurong.esp
FE(100) * Armor Variants Expansion - CRF Patch.esp
FE(101) * BS_Campfire.esp
FE(102) * Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
FE(103) * RaceMenuPlugin.esp
FE(104) * SR - Wintersun patch.esp
FE(105) * SR - USSEP patch.esp
FE(106) * SR - EWSTDB.esp
FE(107) * [Christine] Nocturnal's Embrace.esp
FE(108) * Devious Devices - BRRF.esp
FE(109) * Falskaar - Bug Fixes.esp

FE(10A) * Hunterborn - iNeed Patch.esp
FE(10B) * RoM - LHRM Patch.esp
FE(10C) * ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
FE(10D) * EBT - IC PATCH.esp
FE(10E) * NARC SE patch - Beyond Skyrim Bruma.esp
FE(10F) * Guards Armor Replacer - WACCF Patch.esp
FE(110) * RoM - Unique Uniques Patch.esp
FE(111) * Qw_ACE_CRF Patch.es
FE(112) * Gray Cowl of Nocturnal - Unofficial Patch.esp
FE(113) * Wet&Cold - WaterFix - Addon.esp
FE(114) * Armor Variants Expansion - LWE Patch.esp
FE(115) * Bruma - iNeed Patch.esp
FE(116) * iNeed Bruma Water Patch.esp
FE(117) * SR - RS Children Patch.esp
FE(118) * NARC SE patch - Forgotten City.esp
FE(119) * PCE - RDO Patch.esp
FE(11A) * HelgenRebornRSChildrenPatch.esp
FE(11B) * Gray Cowl of Nocturnal - iNeed Patch.esp
FE(11C) * SunDaytimeNorth_MM_default.esp
FE(11D) * Armor Variants Expansion - OBIS Patch.esp
FE(11E) * Falskaar - iNeed Patch.esp
FE(11F) * IFDImmPatrolsIIPatch.esp
FE(120) * NARC SE patch - Gray Cowl of Nocturnal.esp
FE(121) * SIC HB patch.esp
FE(122) * ICOW_MOW_Patch.esp
FE(123) * IFDWACCFPatch.esp
FE(124) * NARC SE patch - Immersive Horses.esp
FE(125) * EconomyOverhaul CV - WetAndCold Patch.esp
FE(126) * NARC SE patch - SIC.esp
FE(127) * Qw_BijinAIO_CRF Patch.esp
FE(128) * Devious Devices SE patch.esp
FE(129) * Qw_BijinAIO_ICoWinterhold Patch.esp
FE(12A) * Qw_ISC_CRF Patch.esp
FE(12B) * Qw_WACCF_ISC Patch.esp
FE(12C) * RoM - ISC Patch.esp
FE(12D) * Qw_WACCF_RSChildren Patch.esp
FE(12E) * SOSRaceMenu.esp

FE(12F) * DIS_Armor_Fractions_Vigilant.esp
FE(130) * imp_helm_Immersive_Armors.esp
FE(131) * Kardia Armor.esp
FE(132) * [COCO] Pinup Cheongsam.esp
FE(133) * RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
FE(134) * IW_ABT_Patch.esp
FE(135) * IW_MenofWinter_Patch.esp
FE(136) * Containers and Leveled Lists Fixes.esp
FE(137) * CLLF - ACE Patch.esp
FE(138) * CLLF - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
FE(139) * CLLF - WACCF Patch.esp
FE(13A) * Falskaar - CLLF Patch.esp
FE(13B) * Gray Fox Cowl - CLLF Patch.esp
FE(13C) * Keld-Nar - Trade and Barter Patch.esp
FE(13D) * Trade and Barter - Priest Vendors Patch.esp
FE(13E) * EconomyOverhaul CV - TradeandBarter Patch.esp
FE(13F) * Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_CCOR_Patch.esp
FE(140) * AVExpansion-CCOR Patch.esp
FE(141) * CCOR-LHRM Patch Master.esp
FE(142) * DIS_Armor_Fractions_CCOR.esp
FE(143) * imp_helm_legend_WACCF_AMB_Patch.esp
FE(144) * CCOR_Campfire_Patch.esp
FE(145) * Immersive Weapons_CCOR_Patch.esp
FE(146) * KatanaCrafting_CCOR_Patch.esp
FE(147) * Armor Variants Expansion - amidianBorn_ContentAddon Patch.esp
FE(148) * Unique Uniques_CCOR_Patch.esp
FE(149) * NWRAE - AMB Content Addon Patch.esp
FE(14A) * Ordinator Enchantment Tweaks.esp
FE(14B) * CoWER+Ordinator Patch.esp
FE(14C) * CCOR_Ordinator.esp
FE(14D) * EconomyOverhaul CV - Ordinator Patch.esp
FE(14E) * Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
FE(14F) * CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp
FE(150) * *Alternate Start - Bruma.esp
FE(151) * Alternate Start - TGV Old Hroldan patch.esp
FE(152) * Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp
FE(153) * Alternate Start - ELFX Patch.esp
FE(154) * PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp
FE(155) * RoriksteadBasaltCliffs - Alternate Start Patch.esp
FE(156) * ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp
FE(157) * WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
FE(158) * Sum_WACCF_Patch.esp
FE(159) * One ImCh Patcher.esp
FE(15A) * Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I use SKSE64 up to date (1.5.97). I received no warning from any source regarding SKSE.

I'm using the latest update of the XPM32 skeleton (4.80). Problems with animations seemingly didn't started with the installation.

I was using FNIS 7.6 but switched to FNIS XXL 7.6 before the problem occured. I had installed creatures animations BEFORE adding FNIS Creatures 7.6 (I had 0thought of a SL-lite

game but forgot to install FNIS Creatures when installing packs of animations).

When I run it, I get the following:

Spoiler

FNIS Behavior V7.6 XXL 22/01/2021 10:43:37
Skyrim SE 64bit: 1.5.97.0 - D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\ (Steam)

Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (126 bones) male: XPMS2HDT (126 bones)
Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix"
Patch: * tktk1's "TK Dodge / Ultimate Combat" (CTD:0,3%)
Patch: * DServant's "Archery Gameplay Overhaul SE" (CTD:0,1%)

Reading Billyy_Creature V1.0 ...    ChAnims:519   CTD:3,4%   pOpt:1,0%
Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoids V1.0 ...    ChAnims:285   CTD:1,8%   pOpt:0,4%
Reading Billyy_Human V1.0 ...    ChAnims:461   CTD:2,8%   pOpt:0,7%
Reading Billyy_HumanDD V1.0 ...    ChAnims:200   CTD:1,2%   pOpt:0,3%
Reading Billyy_HumanFurnitureInvis V1.0 ...    ChAnims:40   CTD:0,3%   pOpt:0,1%
Reading Billyy_HumanLesbian V1.0 ...    ChAnims:130   CTD:0,8%   pOpt:0,2%
Reading DD V4.0.0 ...    ChAnims:725(576)   CTD:13,1%   pOpt:1,0%
Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ...    ChAnims:374(374)   CTD:10,7%   pOpt:0,0%
Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ...    ChAnims:119(119)   CTD:2,9%   pOpt:0,0%
Reading DDC V1.2 ...    ChAnims:58   CTD:0,4%   pOpt:0,2%
Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ...    ChAnims:410   CTD:2,8%   pOpt:0,9%
Reading Deviously Cursed Loot V6.3 ...    ChAnims:23   CTD:0,2%   pOpt:0,1%
Reading FNISBase V7.6 ...    ChAnims:0   CTD:0,0%   pOpt:0,0%
Reading FNISCreatureVersion V7.0 ...    ChAnims:0   CTD:0,0%   pOpt:0,0%
Reading FunnyBizBound V12.0 ...    ChAnims:180   CTD:1,1%   pOpt:0,3%
Reading FunnyBizFC V10.0 ...    ChAnims:146   CTD:0,9%   pOpt:0,2%
Reading FunnyBizFemDom V1.0 ...    ChAnims:85   CTD:0,5%   pOpt:0,1%
Reading FunnyBizGroup V8.0 ...    ChAnims:471   CTD:3,0%   pOpt:0,8%
Reading FunnyBizGuro V5.0 ...    ChAnims:108   CTD:0,7%   pOpt:0,2%
Reading FunnyBizLover V7.0 ...    ChAnims:156   CTD:1,0%   pOpt:0,2%
Reading FunnyBizMolag V1.0 ...    ChAnims:339   CTD:2,1%   pOpt:0,5%
Reading FunnyBizMtb V3.0 ...    ChAnims:23   CTD:0,2%   pOpt:0,0%
Reading FunnyBizNecro V10.0 ...    ChAnims:442   CTD:2,8%   pOpt:0,7%
Reading FunnyBizRape V11.0 ...    ChAnims:310   CTD:1,9%   pOpt:0,5%
Reading FunnyBizUn V12.0 ...    ChAnims:590   CTD:3,6%   pOpt:0,9%
Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ...    ChAnims:344   CTD:2,2%   pOpt:0,6%
Reading RydinAnimationPack V0.5 ...    ChAnims:33   CTD:0,2%   pOpt:0,1%
Reading sanguinesDebauchery
>>Warning: Inconsistent mod sanguinesDebauchery. Number of animations differs between FNIS List (86) and corresponding behavior file (94)<<
V?.? ...    ChAnims:103(17)   CTD:1,2%   pOpt:0,0%
NOTE: sanguinesDebauchery uses outdated behavior file (may invalidate CTD Load calculation)
Reading SexLab V1.63 ...    ChAnims:882   CTD:5,6%   pOpt:1,5%
Reading SexLabAP V1.63 ...    ChAnims:142   CTD:0,9%   pOpt:0,2%
Reading SexLabAroused V2.9 ...    ChAnims:5   CTD:0,1%   pOpt:0,0%
Reading SexLabCreature V1.63 ...    ChAnims:177   CTD:1,2%   pOpt:0,3%
Reading XPMSE V7.2 ...    ChAnims:164(164)   CTD:2,2%   pOpt:0,0%
Reading YurianaWench V?.? ...    ChAnims:4   CTD:0,1%   pOpt:0,0%
Reading ZaZAnimationPack V7.00 ...    ChAnims:829   CTD:3,6%   pOpt:0,0%

All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files...
Alternate Animation mods: 5 sets: 44 total groups: 201 added file slots: 1520 alternate files: 1250

Create Creature Behaviors ...
Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ...
Reading Billyy_Creature V1.0 ...
Reading FunnyBizFC V1.0 ...
Reading SexLabCreature V1.63 ...
Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoids V1.0 ...
Reading RydinAnimationPack V1.0 ...

8877 animations for 35 mods successfully included (character).
ChAnims: 8877 CTD:73,0% pOpt:12,1% max: 12153 LC: 19109 (max. 26162)

2748 animations for 6 mods and 39 creatures successfully included..
1 Warning(s).

0 possible consistence issues

Nothing out of the usual. I don't trust myself to correct Sanguine's warning or optimize (could be a requirement to solve the issue?) using GenerateFNISForModders (though it might be easier and less risky than I believe), and I read the warnings didn't caused issues.

Thanks for any suggestion or help in figuring out what is going on !

I've taken a few screenshots of the console and scenes -but they did not load in the right order).

slizer40000 · January 22, 2021

Have you looked at your save game in SaveTool/FallrimTools?

If you see a lot of active scripts/suspended stacks in the dozens then you're suffering from script lag. Script lag causes animations, especially multiple actor animations, to not work properly because the system is starving for resources.

You can help the game process SLab scripts by running fewer script heavy mods. A temporary way to alleviate this animation problem is to open the character menu and to wait until the actors line up for the animations. It is not a solution though.

Also, close to 256 esp plugins is pushing it. You have DD, campfire, and wet and cold, which are script heavy mods.

anjenthedog · January 22, 2021

In my game, from time to time I've run into some very heavy script lag from either a or more than one mod, a crapped out animation that ended broken (you were attacked for instance, and it didn't recover correctly), multiple animations running, and or environmental script loading (ie, large roaming groups of animals humans, etc in certain areas of the wild, plus weather and so forth)

For instance, if an animation was loading slowly, if I opened console, I'd almost surely see some line pass by (with SL debugging on) saying

Timerlag = <SomeVeryLargeVariableValue>

(or something like that. haven't looked-for or seen it in a while, so my term for the lag may be slightly off)

corresponding to the delay in script progression I see in game.

What I found was that when I encounter such delays, it's best for me to (rapidly) find an indoor refuge where I create a new save

clean said save, reload said cleaned save then sit it out for a while, perhaps a game day or two, then make a new save, clean it, and move on.

This usually seems to clear whatever was bugging out. And not doing so often resulted in "unexpected" CTDs or generally sluggish game response.

Do you have Elephant's Script Latency tester installed?

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/24124

This is, in my experience, a good tool to check to see if conditions are going south. it will flag a problem long before your player starts lagging noticeably or before you launch an animation that slows to a grind or fails to load. I usually fire it up (in notification mode only) if I see any glitching in my character movements or I'm in an area like the region between Whiterun and Rorikstead (where I see most of my heavy environmental loading and somewhat routine and imo related CTDs)

anjenthedog · January 23, 2021

PS> I didn't initially want to quote any hard numbers, as one person's game has its own "native" lag values due to hardware and mod loading, but for the sake of ... idk... something... I will say that personally, for my game, I get concerned if Elephant reports anything > ~85-90 ms in a sustained manner during play (not just after a menu has been closed or the game is otherwise purposefully interrupted. That will appear as a large lag but is transitory.

ExodusTransonicMercury · January 23, 2021

Thank you both for your answers!

Concerning FallrimTools: I've tested many saves, some had around a dozen active scripts, none had suspended stacks.

Concerning the TimerLag, I havevarious results depending on the item:

- For SyncDone(prepare), it is always negative values, from ~-115 to ~-3

- For SyncDone(starUp), SyncDone(Sync), (and others?) during the animation, it is almost always around 9,5

- For SyncDone(Reset) goes from 20 to 29

I'll have to test those values with NPC teleportation enabled (see bellow).

13 hours ago, slizer40000 said:

You can help the game process SLab scripts by running fewer script heavy mods. A temporary way to alleviate this animation problem is to open the character menu and to wait until the actors line up for the animations. It is not a solution though.

Also, close to 256 esp plugins is pushing it. You have DD, campfire, and wet and cold, which are script heavy mods.

That's why I switched from Frostfall and RnD to Frostbite and iNeed for my SE load order, as they were allegedly less heavy-script. Is there any good alternative for survival mods? (featuring cold/frost, wet/humidity, Hunterborn/Camping-like features)

I'm having difficulty to reduce my load order, most likely candidates would be dungeons/quests (forgotten city, gray cowl, etc., I just dumped Sinister Seven).

Thanks as well for Elephant's Script Latency Tester, I didn't knew about this one. I will surely use it if testing demonstrate further need for troubleshooting.

Seemingly, the problem originated from the "NPC teleportation" (the feature that enable NPC close to the PC to walk towards them before the animation) enabled in Sexlab (though I forgot to check the TimerLag, if there was any). Character next to each other had up to tens of lines trying to place themselves, I will post it to the Sexlab Framework page.

I'll have to test again to confirm that there isn't any more animations that don't start at all).

Given this, I'm replacing SL Privacy Immersive by Normal version (unsure it uses the same mechanics, but (I haven't seen NPC-NPC situation so far) but that'll solve similar situations in the future.

anjenthedog · January 23, 2021

FWIW, when cleaning saves, I purge both unattached instances AND undefined elements. Moreover, I routinely check and clean my saves thee days, as early on I didn't and I had regular, repetitive, predictable problems that I need not have suffered.

Glad you seem to have found the culprit

I'd recommend installing and trying Elephant's Script Tester so you become familiar. It's low impact/overhead and really does come in handy, if nothing else, for a sanity check and confirmative that all is well once and a while. If you have other tools that will do its job, great, but if not, you're shortchanging yourself by not installing it (And using it)

slizer40000 · January 24, 2021

On 1/23/2021 at 1:08 PM, ExodusTransonicMercury said:

Thank you both for your answers!

Concerning FallrimTools: I've tested many saves, some had around a dozen active scripts, none had suspended stacks.

Concerning the TimerLag, I havevarious results depending on the item:

- For SyncDone(prepare), it is always negative values, from ~-115 to ~-3

- For SyncDone(starUp), SyncDone(Sync), (and others?) during the animation, it is almost always around 9,5

- For SyncDone(Reset) goes from 20 to 29

I'll have to test those values with NPC teleportation enabled (see bellow).

That's why I switched from Frostfall and RnD to Frostbite and iNeed for my SE load order, as they were allegedly less heavy-script. Is there any good alternative for survival mods? (featuring cold/frost, wet/humidity, Hunterborn/Camping-like features)

I'm having difficulty to reduce my load order, most likely candidates would be dungeons/quests (forgotten city, gray cowl, etc., I just dumped Sinister Seven).

Thanks as well for Elephant's Script Latency Tester, I didn't knew about this one. I will surely use it if testing demonstrate further need for troubleshooting.

Seemingly, the problem originated from the "NPC teleportation" (the feature that enable NPC close to the PC to walk towards them before the animation) enabled in Sexlab (though I forgot to check the TimerLag, if there was any). Character next to each other had up to tens of lines trying to place themselves, I will post it to the Sexlab Framework page.

I'll have to test again to confirm that there isn't any more animations that don't start at all).

Given this, I'm replacing SL Privacy Immersive by Normal version (unsure it uses the same mechanics, but (I haven't seen NPC-NPC situation so far) but that'll solve similar situations in the future.

Forgotten City is not a problem at all. Its scripts only run during the quest. It's a well done mod. No experience with gray cowl of nocturnal.

IIRC Warzones is a also a script heavy mod.

City and location mods are generally not script-heavy. Scripted custom companion and survival mods that poll PC and NPC stats and states constantly consume the most resources. If you want to keep a mod, see if you can increase the polling rate to 60+ seconds.

ExodusTransonicMercury · January 25, 2021

On 1/23/2021 at 3:50 PM, anjenthedog said:

FWIW, when cleaning saves, I purge both unattached instances AND undefined elements. Moreover, I routinely check and clean my saves thee days, as early on I didn't and I had regular, repetitive, predictable problems that I need not have suffered.

Glad you seem to have found the culprit

I'd recommend installing and trying Elephant's Script Tester so you become familiar. It's low impact/overhead and really does come in handy, if nothing else, for a sanity check and confirmative that all is well once and a while. If you have other tools that will do its job, great, but if not, you're shortchanging yourself by not installing it (And using it)

I will in the next days, I've been recently using a lot of stuff I had neglected for some time for whatever reason (afraid, uninterested, simply didn't worked for stupid reason, etc.) (using SSEEdit5 to modify some stuff and resolve black faces, Wrye Bashing, zMerge), and that done me only (or at least mostly).

Just to go a bit back in time, if you'll allow it, I was interested by the timelager values. They seems to be relatively the same as before the changes I made to my load order (and some C++, fixes updates/removal) and MCM mods. Does they seemed right? (I don't know their exact meaning, how to read them in terms of scale, what to think of negative values...)

12 hours ago, slizer40000 said:

Forgotten City is not a problem at all. Its scripts only run during the quest. It's a well done mod. No experience with gray cowl of nocturnal.

IIRC Warzones is a also a script heavy mod.

City and location mods are generally not script-heavy. Scripted custom companion and survival mods that poll PC and NPC stats and states constantly consume the most resources. If you want to keep a mod, see if you can increase the polling rate to 60+ seconds.

I was more thinking in terms of "whatever stuff I can dump to reduce stuff to be loaded, scripted, heavy, and not necessarily something I need" (in the same way when anything goes wrong on my computer and I can't find quickly the cause, I start taking out.

I "finally" have stuttering while in the city of Bruma but that's it (maybe testing again in Whiterun Hold. I am tailoring the NPC-scannings mods' MCM to find something efficient.

Warzones (and/or Open Civil War) have proved to interact well with the non-followers NPC-NPC rapes (I missed it so far in SE) in terms of NPC interactions (Imperials and/or Stormcloak platoons often spawning at the gate of Whiterun, the Imperials always winning thanks to the Whiterun Guard support sometimes ending up catching Carlotta behind Arcadia's Cauldron), resources consumption-issued problems were pretty random)(it was in LE, and IIRC, apropos was a good way to know those stuff were going on).

Grey Cloud · January 25, 2021

14 hours ago, slizer40000 said:

Its scripts only run during the quest.

That is basically true of all scripts - they run when they are supposed to run. All this nonsense about 'script heavy' is just that - nonsense. Nobody ever defines what constitutes 'heavy' and nobody ever gives a source for the notion.

Grey Cloud · January 25, 2021

On 1/22/2021 at 10:52 PM, anjenthedog said:

I usually fire it up (in notification mode only) if I see any glitching in my character movements or I'm in an area like the region between Whiterun and Rorikstead (where I see most of my heavy environmental loading and somewhat routine and imo related CTDs)

What scripts would be running in the middle of the plains? Or, put another way, why would environmental loading have a bearing on script load? Heavy environmental loading = heavy memory usage which can result in CTDs on an incorrectly configured game.

anjenthedog · January 25, 2021

3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

What scripts would be running in the middle of the plains? Or, put another way, why would environmental loading have a bearing on script load? Heavy environmental loading = heavy memory usage which can result in CTDs on an incorrectly configured game.

To be perfectly honest, I'm no "expert" and have no expert insight/idea what's "really" going on. My "procedure" is simply based on experience as a player to avoid crashing when I recognize an emergent problem. All I know is what I "see". I do know that lag increases (for my game) substantially in the area (not always but regularly), and it sometimes spikes to hundreds of millesconds, whereupon my character's movement begins to stutter and then the game generally CTDs. It's always the area between Whiterun and Rorikstead.

Grey Cloud · January 25, 2021

20 minutes ago, anjenthedog said:

I do know that lag increases (for my game) substantially in the area (not always but regularly), and it sometimes spikes to hundreds of millesconds, whereupon my character's movement begins to stutter and then the game generally CTDs. It's always the area between Whiterun and Rorikstead.

Could be things spawning in such as the various creatures or bandits etc putting strain on your game. Could be a bad mesh, e.g. a plant or grass which only 'grows' in that particular area. Could be a grass mod or similar using big textures.

slizer40000 · January 30, 2021

On 1/25/2021 at 1:02 PM, Grey Cloud said:

That is basically true of all scripts - they run when they are supposed to run. All this nonsense about 'script heavy' is just that - nonsense. Nobody ever defines what constitutes 'heavy' and nobody ever gives a source for the notion.

In my interpretation "script heavy" refers to mods that have scripts polling/scanning the PC and/or nearby NPCs often enough to result in suspended stacks or broken quests in areas like Riverwood. When I notice the game is losing its marbles, I just remove the mod and start another save.

For instance, some custom follower mods run non-adjustable poll scripts so often that I saw over 1000 active scripts and suspended stacks in my save. Ruined that playthrough.

Grey Cloud · January 30, 2021

9 hours ago, slizer40000 said:

In my interpretation "script heavy" refers to mods that have scripts polling/scanning the PC and/or nearby NPCs often enough to result in suspended stacks or broken quests in areas like Riverwood. When I notice the game is losing its marbles, I just remove the mod and start another save.

For instance, some custom follower mods run non-adjustable poll scripts so often that I saw over 1000 active scripts and suspended stacks in my save. Ruined that playthrough.

What you are describing are the symptoms - the cause is badly written or broken mods.

My current save on a test game (LE) I have been abusing for several months has 4 active scripts after 155 hours with 450 mods including 100+ followers. Active scripts seldom get into double figures in any of my games.

ExodusTransonicMercury · February 17, 2021

In the end, it seems like it was some animations packs (or a too big numbers of animations) who were somehow messing with the whole animation process. I've removed other mods to have a way smoother game (through not perfect and CTD-free yet).

Regarding the discussion on "script-heavy"/badly written mods, I wanted to know if either had managed to find the right mods combinations to have a smooth and immersive (no major breaks, virtually no CTD, little to no use of console, little to no stutter), using :

- survival and immersion mods (frost, wet, hunger, thirst (with wells), sleep, hunting/foraging). I'm using Frostfall (I've been, told to use Frostbite but disliked it. allegedly it runs smoothly with the right MCM settings), RnD (I've been told to use iNeed but disliked it), Campfire (strong "script-heavy" reputation), Hunterborn (+sleep tight and gotobed)

- weather mods (Obsidian, Wet and Cold, True Storms, I'm looking into switching from Obsidian to Cathedral)

- combat and archery mods (Ultimate Combat, TK's mods (bad rep), ABT, AGO, True Armor (haven't tested it yet))(AI, dodge, arrows bleedouts and recovery

- death and kink mods (something dynamic, not much of heavy bondage/slavery, NPC relationships, aimed at survival, horror and immersion, less towards bestiality and more towards humans and humanoids rape and relationships) (SL/SLA/DD/DA/Defeat/DCL/SS + From the Deeps + a few NPC mods such as SLEN, Further Lover's Confort, SL Sexlife, utilities, and SD+, SCB and SL Survival at most)

- wildlife mods (Animallica, SIC at a minimal level (without the goblins, the night spawns, the additional spawns, etc.), Beast of Tamriel)

- NPC/Civil War overhauls (Warzones and Open Civil War, but also Diverse Skyrim (no impact?), Immersive Patrols, Man Those Borders, possibly Hold Riders

This may sound greedy, but those are the major categories I can't play without no matter the kind of playthrough I want (well, except the kink part. I can still just play the game), and which I have seen here and there being (erroneously or not?) so-called "script-heavy", causing CTDs, stutters and lags.

I'd glad and interested if you had any alternatives (or not, maybe some combinations are correct) or settings to advice me.

*Tlam99* · February 17, 2021

Leaving the console open for troubleshooting is ok.

However, to do so everytime when animations are starting is not a good idea.

Already started scrips run, but new ones will be stacked, even those triggered by running scripts.

Timing becomes messed up.

Closing the console then triggers a mess, all stacked start the same time.

Stack dump may be a result.

Try it and check your saves.

Bluegunk · February 15, 2022

On 2/17/2021 at 12:38 AM, ExodusTransonicMercury said:

In the end, it seems like it was some animations packs (or a too big numbers of animations) who were somehow messing with the whole animation process. I've removed other mods to have a way smoother game (through not perfect and CTD-free yet).

Sorry to necro this older thread, but did you have any particular packs that you removed that improved things?

ExodusTransonicMercury · February 24, 2022

On 2/15/2022 at 1:47 PM, Bluegunk said:

Sorry to necro this older thread, but did you have any particular packs that you removed that improved things?

I don't recall this at all, sorry.

Bluegunk · February 24, 2022

32 minutes ago, ExodusTransonicMercury said:

I don't recall this at all, sorry.

OK and thanks. No worries!

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