Mod idea: Haremocracy

[zargod]

Haremocracy -- rule by the overlord's lovers.

First a Haremic religion
Tenets: Carnal Exaltation, Divine Marriage, Polyamory (and Sacred Lies for seduction, if a 4th isn't too difficult)

Doctrines: Equal gender (so that you can have both a male overlord and female vassals), Temporal head of faith (so overlord is head), No Bastards, Unrestricted Marriage, Male & Female Adultery Accepted. Possibly Only Women Clerical Gender, but I'm not sure how effective that is with Lay Clergy requirement of Temporal. If female clergy, also Naked Priests.

(This is already quite close to Messalianism, which it is loosely based upon.)

 

The overlord then appoints female vassals where possible, and seduces them into being his lovers, rendering them particularly loyal. This effect would be made even more pronounced combined with the Submissive Partners mod.

 

Ideally, a diplomatic interaction would be created whereby the overlord could ask his lover-vassals to change their inheritance law to Female Preference, so that the vassal's daughters would inherit and be available for seduction into becoming a new generation of lover-vassals.

 

It is likely that the majority of the ruling class would become daughters, sisters and/or aunts of the overlords. Incest on a nationwide, or even empire-wide scale.?

 

This has been worded from the point of view of a heterosexual male overlord, but the concept could also be expanded to include heterosexual female ones, and/or homosexual ones of either sex, and possibly even bisexual overlords.

 

Would something like this be possible?

 

Anybody interested?

[whateverdontcare]

I'm interested in it, and might be willing to make it but it seems like too much work right now. I'll try some time soon.

[whateverdontcare]

I'm wondering what religion or religious group it should be in? Could be its own religion but having its own religion group feels like a bit much. Ideally it would be easier to convert to.

[blightedmarsh]

Probobly best as a rule or tenent, that way it becomes a tool for players to use in their religeous builds.

 

Something that lets the player set the gender preference of their direct same religeon vassal titles and makes them very vunerable to seduction.

[zargod]

On 9/21/2020 at 7:44 PM, whateverdontcare said:

I'm wondering what religion or religious group it should be in? Could be its own religion but having its own religion group feels like a bit much. Ideally it would be easier to convert to.

 

Could work in a number of religion groups (and having variants for multiple groups could work). As I said, it's not that far off Messalianism, so a Christianity variant (probably with a a 'monogamous' formal spousal relatinship). Muslim (with polygamy presumably) would be rather more heretical (given that most of your vassals would be female). Most concubinage-based groups (Zoroastrian, Pagan, etc) wouldn't seem too far out of place. The question is how much work would we want to go to?

 

 

17 hours ago, blightedmarsh said:

Probobly best as a rule or tenent, that way it becomes a tool for players to use in their religeous builds.

 

Something that lets the player set the gender preference of their direct same religeon vassal titles and makes them very vunerable to seduction.

 

This would depend on how far you wanted to go with a tenet.

 

The minimalist version would probably need a 4 tenet mod. Carnal Exaltation, Divine Marriage & Polyamory stay vanilla. We create a variant of Sacred Lies that only covers seduction (bonking your vassals is after all a sacred duty), but lets you change vassals gender preferences (with some, still to be hashed out, restrictions on who it can apply to). May or may not give a bonus for seduction chances (or alternatively you just try this mod out with a Beautiful PC with high Intrigue). This would mean that all the Haremocratic religions would end up looking fairly similar (they'd need all four tenets to get the full effect), irrespective of religious group. You'd just have differences in smaller things like holy sites etc.

 

The maximalist approach bundles Carnal Exaltation, Divine Marriage, Polyamory and our variant of Sacred Lies into a single tenet. This would allow users to still select a couple of tenets that make the religion feel like a member of their religious group, but would likely be even more overpowered.

 

Thinking about it, we can probably ignore the homosexual overlords, in terms of game mechanics -- as they can simply set the Male/Female dominated gender doctrine to have overlord & vassals of the same sex.

[blightedmarsh]

My point was not to take the whole of your concept and turn it into a single tenent but to distil it in its essence, determine what isnt already in game and make that into a tenent or tool you can use to build your religeon. Possibly mixed with the erotic work of other modders depending on your personal build, maybe even without the sex stuff just so your gorgeous adonis of a bloodline can have an easy time of it.

 

What I understand you would like is to have direct vassals titles set up so the corect gender gets them so you can take them as concubines lovers or spouses, and to make it a bite easier. Now I see a couple of ways of doing this.

 

 

 

1) Do you want all tiers of vassals as potentialy your fukbuds or just some? For instance;

 

-If its just counts or lower and you are a king then you could have a haream of counts, for yourself. Your realm has dukes who are mostly not bonking you (except maybe one or two) but they have their own little hareams of counts under them (litteraly and figurativly)

 

-you could set it so the ranks effected are set to each realm, or by realm rank or by the religeon as a whole.

 

 

How do you want this to work as a relationship.

 

-Totaly informaly. their is no official relationship between the lord and his vassel except via the feudal contrant.

-seduction

-concubinage

-raiding? I could see a norse version of this where your lord raids a vassal to carry her off to your dungeon and have your way with her/ force her to be yours with a that being the terms of her releace.

 

BIG BRAIN THOUGHT:

 

 

You could make it a feudal obligation of a given tital in the exact same way you negosiate any and all obligations. That way any given tital would have to be of an apropreate gender, they would have to offer themselves up to their lord.

 

 

 

Question?

 

Do you intend to have any content for players opperating as vassals under this system? Your lord come to you demanding his sacred rights or perhapse you offer yourself up for a weak hook on him (or perhapse strong hook in the case of a powerful vassal)?
 

[zargod]

50 minutes ago, blightedmarsh said:

1) Do you want all tiers of vassals as potentialy your fukbuds or just some?

Probably all. I would see the overlord either building their realm from scratch and installing all "fuckbuds" as new counties/duchies are added, or (if inheriting an existing realm) quietly converting it to the new system piece by piece. The idea would be to have the overlord being head of the church, and having only him having access.

 

50 minutes ago, blightedmarsh said:

How do you want this to work as a relationship.

Totally informally, via seduction and being lovers (possibly enhanced by the Submissive Partners mod). They are loyal because they are lovers, rather than lovers because they are loyal.

 

Increased loyalty, and access to far more sex/breeding partners would be the payoff.

 

Also, keeping the overlord busy seducing his new vassals would give the player something to do.

 

For this reason, I'm not so keen on the Feudal Obligation route. Though this might be a good idea for a parallel (if somewhat darker, with shades of NXIVM/DOS) mod, or a game-rule switch, for those who want to go down that path.

 

Additional potential wrinkles might be to add an annual orgy between the overlord and all their vassals, have this potentially cause the vassals to become bisexual (if this is possible in game mechanics) through indulgence with each other (assuming overlord is heterosexual), and start employing homosexual seduction and lover relationships to build loyalty with their own vassals.

 

50 minutes ago, blightedmarsh said:

Do you intend to have any content for players opperating as vassals under this system? Your lord come to you demanding his sacred rights or perhapse you offer yourself up for a weak hook on him (or perhapse strong hook in the case of a powerful vassal)?

I'm assuming that the player is the one that starts the religion, and that it's only their vassals (at least initially) that join it. Admittedly, it might be amusing for the player to find that it has accidentally spread beyond their vassals and have to work out what the Hades they should do about the problem/opportunity. ?

 

If people were interested in playing as a lover-vassal under this system, I would think that it would make more sense if either your offspring with the overlord gains a weak claim on the overlord's main title, and/or that the overlord has to give the offspring a title (these are the sorts of things that tended to happen with the bastards of higher lords historically).