GamerSince1992 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Greetings everyone.. I download this mod a few months ago: https://www.nexusmod.com/oblivion/mods/31174 and everything was fine and I didn't run into any problems until I use this mod: https://www.nexusmod.com/oblivion/mods/33254 I notice NPC from Redguards race return to their original look so I decide to remove the mod but even after I done that some of them still have the vanilla look while the others have the better look .. the mod I download only have an .esp no textures or anything .. it's also effect "Tamriel Travelers Merchants" mod .. any explanation on why some of the effect still exist even after I remove the mod completely?.. Here's my load order: Oblivion.esm TamrielTravellers.esm Lovers with PK.esm LoversCreature.esm CM Partners.esm StarX Vampire Deaths.esm POTSB.esm DLCShiveringIsles.esp Troy_HeartbeatBreath.esp Arena Posters Diversified.esp FLY_creatures.esp MONSTERGIRL-CoC.esp My Voice Extender.esp SimpleHUDIcons.esp Dynamic Door Knocking.esp MigWolfRestore.esp DLCHorseArmor.esp DLCOrrery.esp DLCVileLair.esp DLCMehrunesRazor.esp DLCSpellTomes.esp VipCxj_HighHeels.esp BodMod.esp BWisteria.esp ChitinArmor.esp Hiyoko_Store.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Lamayo's Dragon Bow.esp MHSN Weapons.esp Northern Lich Armor.esp Queensarmory.esp SMDR 001 DM Dress.esp Weapons Of Morrowind.esp Weapons Of Morrowind - Daedric Crescent.esp Witch LongDress.esp RealSwords - Redguard HI-NPC.esp BisBarbLthr.esp R18PN - Bs Bondage.esp Goblin Realswords+Tribal Shields.esp Real Black Bow Bandits.esp DLCThievesDen.esp ExnemRuneskulls.esp Creature Diversity.esp TamrielTravellers.esp VG0udyrfrykte.esp Giants.esp Mythical Creatures - Cyclops.esp Polar Bear v2.esp Romuska Fantasy Store.esp Slof's Goth Shop 3.esp Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp Zira's Niben Bay Horse Ranch.esp DLCBattlehornCastle.esp DLCFrostcrag.esp Knights.esp HUD Status Bars.esp Leviathan Soulgems.esp Kosai's Welkynd Armor.esp MagicArrows.esp Reworked Posts.esp Scouter.esp LoversCalm.esp LoversSoundCreature.esp LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp LoversRaperS.esp LoversJoburg.esp LoversBed.esp LoversPayBandit.esp Lovers with PK.esp LoversCreature.esp LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp LoversRapeSlave.esp LoversMB2.esp StarX Vampire Deaths.esp VampireMod.esp SetBody.esp MidasSpells.esp Oblivion XP.esp zzEDialog.esp Proper Male and Female Sitting.esp King_O_POPver2.esp CM Partners.esp DATrolls.esp Slof's Clouded Leopard.esp DAPlayableTrollRace.esp Riddick Saber Claws.esp X.Falmer.esp CompanionshipRing.esp DASakura.esp Better Looking Dremora.esp Better Looking Redguards v2.esp KT_CustomRaceFix.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp Dalls_IC_Witches.esp DressingRoomInSewer.esp Bat Race.esp FF8 Gunblade.esp Niben Bay Horse Ranch - Clydesdale Horses Add-On.esp UndeadRace.esp IncubusRaceByDen.esp Revenants of the Crimson Eye.esp SX Battlemage.esp ZUPotionsOverhaulVanilla.esp SuperMarioCoin.esp SpiderRace (WINGS).esp Leina Armor.esp skunks stand alone.esp DragonBlessedRace.esp racy.esp Gimmick Sword.esp SG1 Jaffa Staff.esp Lima3.esp Lochaber Axe.esp WitherspoonCM.esp MJClothes.esp AndreaCM.esp Link to comment
fejeena Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Have you used a old save before you installed Bounty Hunter Package? Or started a new game? The "wrong" NPC can be in your save, so they do not return to "the better looking Redguard" ------------------ And your load order is .... not good. I see weapon , clothes and a coin replacer ) Mods at the end. Not sorted! And at the end should be Bashed Patch, 0.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp Wrong load order can also mess up Mods. The "better looking Redguard" Mod should be loased after "Bounty Hunter Package" Mod, so even if the redguard race is in the "Bounty Hunter Package" Mod in game the readguards should look like the better looking Redguards. But why should there be the readgurd race in the "Bounty Hunter Package" ? Maybe the Mod is dirty? Have you cleaned the esp with TES4Edit? EDIT: Yes the Redguard race is in the esp ( have you read the 2 post at Nexus?. The Modder is stupid. Seems he play a readguard so he add a spell to the Readguard race. And maybe thats not the only bug he added ??? ) Link to comment
GamerSince1992 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 Well actually I did and Baurus the one with the emperor in the beginning of the game appear fine his look is the good looking redguard but the first one I saw have the vanilla look is Isleif the open handed I met him in imperial city temple district I was really surprised when I saw him like this ... I don't know how many NPC effected by that .. because I only saw two: Isleif and a female Redguard from Tamriel Travelers Merchants mod .. Rohssan appear fine when I went to her shop .. And about the load order boss sort it for me like this and nothing was messed up at all until I install this mod .. "Bounty Hunter Package" is no longer in my load order anyway like I said in my first comment I remove it .. I always clean any mod before I use it if I found it dirty .. Well I'm not sure I thought he create a copy from the vanilla race and give them a different name .. I didn't expect it to effect the existing race in the game .. if not for the class and birthsign I wouldn't have install this mod anyway.. Link to comment
fejeena Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 But after you run BOSS you get a list with all the Mods BOSS has not sorted ( Mods that are not in the BOSS masterlist ) and BOSS tells you that you have to sort them manually. And BOSS does not sort all Lovers Mods right. So after you run BOSS you sort the Lovers Mods manually. Everything below LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp is not sorted ! How to sort Mods manually and a Lovers Mods load order example, see my yellow Link below. ---------------------- And the Better looking redguard. The Mod worked right before you installed "Bounty Hunter Package" ? Sure that you saw Isleif and he was not vanilla? Does the Better looking redguard Mod change the race or the NPCs? If the Mod change the NPCs maybe some NPCs was not change. Or the Mod add a new Redguard race and not all Vanilla Redguard NPCs was changed to the new race. EDIT: I checked the esp. It add new races and change NPCs. Isleif is vanilla redguard. In the Mod are two new races RedguardMales "Redguard Male" [RACE:01012D81] and RedguardFemales "Redguard Female" [RACE:0100F015] And the vanilla Readguard race gets new body and head textures. And 8 new hairs. And then all Redguard NPCs are in the esp, some use the new races but some use the vanilla race. Isleif is vanilla race and vanilla hair. And Baurus is the new male race with vanilla hair. Vanilla and new male race use Characters\Redguard\Male\headhuman.dds characters\redguard\male\footmale.dds --------------- And the "Bounty Hunter Package" only change 11 vanilla factions And it adds one new faction, one birthsign and 6 spells. That's all ! ( I have downloaded both version ) The Mod can not mess up the redguards! Or any other race. Sort your Mods! Then start TES4Edit with all Mods and see what Mods change redguards. If the Better looking redguard Mod is below all other Mods that change vanilla redguard race ( and redguard NPCs) the redguards should be ok. You have a lot of race mods below "Better looking redguard" and in many race mods are copies of vanilla races because the esp was not cleaned. If you use CS without CSE you only have a watch a race and it will be in the esp you create. Start a new Game after you fixed your load order! Link to comment
GamerSince1992 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 I already know how to sort mods manually but I don't know where to put them exactly in the masterlist I think you should give me a suggestion list for all these unrecognized mods .. And yes the Better looking Redguards change both the race and the NPC before I install "Bounty Hunter Package" all NPC have a better look I even try this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/33225 with Better looking Redguards and the character appear better in my opinion .. But how?!..I'm sure there wasn't any vanilla looking Redguards when I first try the "Better Looking Redguards" but after I install "Bounty Hunter Package" some of them changed .. Hmmm..I don't have that many races below .. only 8 and they are not effect the Redguard race in anything they have there own textures boss just couldn't recognized them .. Link to comment
fejeena Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Have you read my yellow Link? From my yellow Link: Run BOSS, then sort the Mods BOSS did not sort manually in the Oblivion Mod manager(clothes Mods to sorted clothes Mods, Quest Mods to sorted quest Mods, .....Sort them in about alphabetically within the categories) Spoiler Load Order Template based on the BOSS masterlist ... 1.Oblivion.esm 2.ESMs (see ReadMes) 3.Early-Loading Mods (see ReadMes) NPC Faces Vanilla Fixes - miscellaneous fixes, UOP, etc. SI - miscellaneous fixes, USIP, etc. Fran files for FCOM Base Mods - library mods, new content mods, etc. Environmental Mods - weather, water tweaks, sound, lighting Mods that can be overwritten or add new content UI mods - Map Marker tweaks, Hotkey mods DLCs I - Horse Armor, Orrery, Vile Lair, Mehrunes, Spell Tomes Body replacers 4.Items Early loaders (see ReadMes) New items Armor and clothing replacers for body replacers 5.Pre Overhaul (see ReadMes) Mods with specific conflicts Mods that change names (that can use the Import Names Bash tag) DLCs II - Thieves Den 6.Overhauls (See ReadMes for specific load ordering information) Fran options FCOM and OOO support mods OOO MMM & FCOM (main) MMM & FCOM options (must see ReadMes for specific load ordering info) Other overhaul-compatible mods Overhaul immediate override patches 7.Post Overhaul (see ReadMes) 8.Quests and Locations 9.FCOM quest compatibility patches 10.More quests (See ReadMes) 11.Landscape and City aesthetics Unique Landscapes Mods that have to load after ULs and before city overhaul mods Open Cities Quests that have to load after OC and ULs Overrides Harvest Flora Other visual improvements (i.e., Better XX) Realism Vampires Magic Combat Skills, Attributes and Leveling Poses and animations Late loading overrides - darkening mods, Item Interchange Cosmetic mods and race rebalancers Companions Post BC and OBC Message suppression Respawn & Day length overrides (most made obsolete by bashed patch) Shader mods 12.Pre Bash (See ReadMes) 13.Bashed Patch 14.Past Bash (See ReadMes) Most Duke Patrick mods Last Files Land Magic Map changing mods Stability mods (scripts) - FormID Finder, Kuertee Actor Details, Clean up, Clean quit, OGE Support, Streamline (last) Your load oder is sorted down to Bashed Patch, 0.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp The unsorted Mods: The race Mods to your sorted Race Mods ( in about alphabetically within the categories) DASakura.esp Better Looking Dremora.esp Better Looking Redguards v2.esp I do not know all your unsorted Mods, but you will know what it is. The unsorted armor-clothes mods up to your sorted armor-clothes mods. Spell Mods after lovers ( there you have SexBody) .... Armor-Clothes Mods Most DLCs Quest Mods ( and some DLC) Landsscape Mod ( Unique Landscapes ) Tamago Lovers Spell Mods Then companion and Race Mods Then BetterCity ( you don't have ) Then Bashed Patch, 0.esp Then Map Mods Then LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp --------------------------------- ! Start a new game after Load order sorting ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You have CM Partners. Not many people here use it. The scripts are not good. Better use MCS ( MadCompanionshipSpells and MCS extension.. You don't need HumantouchNPC ) If you want to use CM Partner Companions Mods ( I don't see any in your load order ? ) you delete all CM stuff in the esp (maybe add a AI pack: Wander near editor location) so you have a NPC that just stand/wanders near the location the esp place him/her. Then you use MCS to make the NPC your companion. Delete the CM Partner esm. Are in the CM partner esp companion NPCs you want? Then delete all CM stuff ( AI Packs, Factions, Scripts... from the NPCs . With MCS you can make any NPC your companion. Just a suggestion. There are still people who use CM. https://www.loverslab.com/topic/1569-mad-companionship-spells-mcs-extension-humantouchnpc/ In post 1 MadCompanionshipSpells ( and HumantouchNPC if you want/like it ) And MCS extension in post 286 https://www.loverslab.com/topic/1569-mad-companionship-spells-mcs-extension-humantouchnpc/?do=findComment&comment=2578290 _________________________________ The Better looking Redguards Check the esp, there are many NPCs ( male ) that use the vanilla Readguard race. But they use the new textures from Better looking Redguards . If they do not use the new Textures then you have a Mod below Better looking Redguards that change the vanilla redguard race. And "Bounty Hunter Package" is and was not able to change the vanilla Redgurad race ( not if you use the 1.0 or 1.5 version) There is no race in the esp. Only the things I mentioned in my post above. Link to comment
GamerSince1992 Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 Did you read what I said?... "I already know how to sort mods manually but I don't know where to put them exactly in the masterlist".. all these mods work fine right now I don't want to put them randomly in the master list something might happen .. that's why I asked for a suggestion from you .. here's all the mods that Boss couldn't recognized: POTSB.esm Dalls_IC_Witches.esp Agea Karan Welkynd & Black Wisteria.esp DressingRoomInSewer.esp Bat Race.esp FF8 Gunblade.esp Niben Bay Horse Ranch - Clydesdale Horses Add-On.esp UndeadRace.esp IncubusRaceByDen.esp Revenants of the Crimson Eye.esp SX Battlemage.esp ZUPotionsOverhaulVanilla.esp SuperMarioCoin.esp SpiderRace (WINGS).esp Leina Armor.esp skunks stand alone.esp DragonBlessedRace.esp racy.esp Gimmick Sword.esp SG1 Jaffa Staff.esp Lima3.esp Lochaber Axe.esp WitherspoonCM.esp MJClothes.esp AndreaCM.esp BladeOfIntrigue_Eng.esp Actually there's CM Companion in my masterlist take a look again it's "DASakura.esp" and the other one in the unrecognized list "AndreaCM.esp" .. I don't want to use MCS I prefer to use a custom race companion who design for that to be with me not any random NPC .. so no thanks.. That's odd .. all these races in the list above before any of that happen .. which one of them could change and effect the redguards? all of them have there own textures except "DragonBlessedRace.esp" they use Imperial textures .. Link to comment
fejeena Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 In my last post I told you where to place the unsorted mods. I post a Load order tamplate. I don't know your unsoted mod. I can google to find out if it is a quest, armor or race mod.... But you know the Mods so you can sort the Mods Again: clothes Mods to sorted clothes Mods, Quest Mods to sorted quest Mods, .....Sort them in about alphabetically within the categories Your load order: Your sorted Armor-Clothes and weapon Mods Most DLCs Your sorted Quest Mods ( and some DLC) ( you do not have Landsscape Mod ( Unique Landscapes ) ) Tamago Lovers Your sorted Spell Mods Then companion and Race Mods ( you do not have BetterCity ) Then Bashed Patch, 0.esp ( you do not have Map Mods ) Then LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp Example: I think that Gimmick Sword.esp is a weapon so you place it to your sorted armor/clothes/weapon mods in alphabetically order. I will not google all your Mods to find out what they are. -------------------------------------------------------- And with MCS you can use the custom race companion you have. I told you remove the CM shit from the esp and delete the CM esm and use the companions with MCS. And how the fuck should I know that "DASakura.esp" is CM Mod? The name sound like a race Mod. I told you in my last post that I do not know your unsorted Mods. And it was just a suggestion to get rid of the buggy CM system. ------------------------------ And the readgurads: Have you load all your Mods with TES4Edit and checked if any Mod change the vanilla redguards ? EDIT: the alphabetically sorting within a category is not important ( it's just for better looking, aesthetic. ) so you can place the better redguards as the last race mod, so that no other Mod can overwrite the vanilla redguards. Link to comment
GamerSince1992 Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 Ok I get it... Then you should ask instead of assume this's a race.. and I didn't say you should know about DASakura.esp being a companion mod..I'm just reply to what you said " I don't see any in your load order ?" .. that's all .. why are you upset anyway? .. did my answer annoy you that much? .. I know it's just a suggestion I was just making myself clear I"m getting used to this CM Companion mod and I didn't noticed any bug in it other than sometimes the companion stuck inside a shop or other houses when your character move to another cell but it's not that big deal to me it can easily solved with companion ring...and beside this not the issue here anyway.. Alright no problem .. here a link to every unrecognized mods: Dalls_IC_Witches.esp Version 2.0 https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/48093 Agea Karan Welkynd & Black Wisteria.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/28649 DressingRoomInSewer.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/41680 Bat Race.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/47244 FF8 Gunblade.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/29207 Niben Bay Horse Ranch - Clydesdale Horses Add-On.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/32883 UndeadRace.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/31700 IncubusRaceByDen.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/46622 Revenants of the Crimson Eye.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/23827 SX Battlemage.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/47412 ZUPotionsOverhaulVanilla.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/49086 SuperMarioCoin.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/49540 SpiderRace (WINGS).esp (this the only mod I download from here) Leina Armor.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/26613 skunks stand alone.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/40284 DragonBlessedRace.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/43835 racy.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/17556 Gimmick Sword.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/45479 SG1 Jaffa Staff.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/31346 Lima3.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/18693 Lochaber Axe.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/29756 WitherspoonCM.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/33901 MJClothes.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/32535 AndreaCM.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/24299 BladeOfIntrigue_Eng.esp https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/48114 Link to comment
fejeena Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 ? What should I do with the Links ? You know the Mods. You have a sorted BOSS load order. You sort the unsorted esp in the sorted esp categories. Example: Lochaber Axe.esp are armors,clothes, weapons category Mod. In your sorted laod order in the green armors,clothes, weapons category Mod. ... ... DLCHorseArmor.esp DLCOrrery.esp DLCVileLair.esp DLCMehrunesRazor.esp DLCSpellTomes.espVipCxj_HighHeels.esp BodMod.esp BWisteria.esp ChitinArmor.esp Hiyoko_Store.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Lamayo's Dragon Bow.esp MHSN Weapons.esp Northern Lich Armor.esp Queensarmory.esp SMDR 001 DM Dress.esp Weapons Of Morrowind.esp Weapons Of Morrowind - Daedric Crescent.esp Witch LongDress.esp RealSwords - Redguard HI-NPC.esp BisBarbLthr.esp R18PN - Bs Bondage.esp Goblin Realswords+Tribal Shields.esp Real Black Bow Bandits.esp DLCThievesDen.esp ... .... So you can place is alphabetically within in first part Lamayo's Dragon Bow.esp Lochaber Axe.esp MHSN Weapons.esp or down in the second part ( a but unsiórted) part, maybe here BisBarbLthr.esp Lochaber Axe.esp R18PN - Bs Bondage.esp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Race and companion Mods. Normally first race Mods then companions (CM partner and other ) Here in your sorted Load order: ... ... CM Partners.esp DATrolls.esp Slof's Clouded Leopard.esp DAPlayableTrollRace.esp Riddick Saber Claws.esp X.Falmer.esp CompanionshipRing.esp DASakura.esp Better Looking Dremora.esp Better Looking Redguards v2.esp KT_CustomRaceFix.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp ... ... So I would place DragonBlessedRace.esp IncubusRaceByDen.esp SpiderRace (WINGS).esp UndeadRace.esp above CM Partners.esp And AndreaCM.esp between CompanionshipRing.esp and DASakura.esp ................................. and so on ______________________________________ Maybe you can play with your unsorted mods many month or maybe years if you install only a few more mods. I once had about 50 mods and the DLCs and I istallled a new Mod, a armor Mod that add one chest in the IC Waterfront district... and my game crashed. So I changed the load order of the mod, at the beginning , in the middle, at the end ... but my game crashes, Without the Mod all was fine. Shit Mod? Then I read about load order and I sorted my Mods right ( they were sorted but the important Mods first then the other Mods and armor clothes all at the end ) . Then I installed the "bad" armor Mod again and it worked, no CTD. And just for fun I tested other positions in the load order, and I was able to place the Mod at the end, beginning or in the middle without a CTD. So a wrong load order can work many years and one day you install a new mod and get CTD and you think "What a shit Mod". But then you will find more and more Mods that you can not install/crash your game. So never ignore the BOSS warning after sorting ! Sort the unsorted Mods. And after you sorted the unsorted Mods: -You can add the unsorted Mods in the BOSS "Oblivion masterlist txt" file, so the next time you run BOSS they are sorted. -Or you copy your load order ( make a copy of the Oblivion "plugins.txt" or the copy the load order from the OBMM ) then you can sort the Mods again after you run BOSS. -Or you never run BOSS again and sort new Mods manually. Search the new Mod in the BOSS "Oblivion masterlist txt" with Notepad ++ , then put it in the right place. And if it's not in the BOSS list place it in the right category. I use the last option. I don't have BOSS installed , I only have the "Oblivion masterlist txt" . And for a new Oblivion installtion I have a backups from my "plugins.txt" so I can sort all my old/must have Mods. Link to comment
GamerSince1992 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Well just to show you what exactly these mods is .. I always use OBMM to sort the mods .. is this a bad choice?.. Hmmm.. Make sense sometimes I get CTD from time to time in a random places like Imperial City and with some enemies from Monster Girls Mod inside caves and ruins every time when they summon a creatures sometimes they summon them without a problem .. I couldn't get what cause that to happen .. Anyway I'll try that and thank you very much .. Link to comment
fejeena Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 OBMM is good. Or TESMM. Never NexusMM or Vortex ! ! ! Not with Oblivion. See my yellow Link for more info about Load order https://www.loverslab.com/topic/36443-oblivion-install-gametoolsbodiesbbbmod-sorting-and-cleaningcs-cse-body-stretching/?do=findComment&comment=915257 Link to comment
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