JSmith20142 Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 Starting a new game with Tamago Fertility Clinic 1.04 has resulted in no tamagoclub spam for me, and I'm 10 hours into that game. I was able to fix a game with it occurring by using TES4Edit to remove the duplicated function a4tcsconceptionOne from the version of tamago fertility clinic that was running with that corrupted game (make sure you don't delete the one in tamagoclub.esm), continuing the game (spam had stopped), saving it, and doing a clean save before reinstalling tamago fertility clinic 1.04.
Unskilled Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 Ok here's the problem.It's not only male or female with kokumaromilk.It's both, sometimes there's sperm, sometimes there's not. It's unstable because there's unknowombstate.And it appear when i load fertility, and, obse error too.Here's my load order:Active Mod Files: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 02 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33] 03 Lovers with PK.esm 04 TamagoClub.esm 05 HiyokoClub.esm 06 LoversCreature.esm 07 x117race.esm 08 Chanpon.esm 09 Vanilla Maternity Clothes.esp 0A DLCShiveringIsles.esp 0B Enhanced Hotkeys.esp [Version 2.3.1] 0C DLCHorseArmor.esp 0D DLCOrrery.esp 0E DLCVileLair.esp 0F DLCMehrunesRazor.esp 10 DLCSpellTomes.esp 11 MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp 12 AW_Wings.esp [Version 1] 13 DLCThievesDen.esp 14 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33] 15 OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33] 16 Enchanting and Spell Making Altars.esp 17 Hentai Mania.esp 18 OOO_Hentai Mania.esp [Version 0.8.2] 19 ScarletMonastery.esp 1A ShadowfangKeep.esp 1B Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp 1C DLCFrostcrag.esp 1D Knights.esp 1E Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] 1F Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] 20 Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0] 21 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] 22 RMDailyIncomeV2.esp 23 TamagoPlayerHUDkil.esp 24 LoversTamagoClub.esp 25 HiyokoGenerator.esp 26 HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp 27 TamagoSetBody.esp 28 HiyokoUtilitySpells.esp 29 LoversProstitute.esp [Version 0.25a] 2A LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 2B LoversHooker.esp [Version 2.2] 2C LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp 2D LoversRaperS.esp 2E LoversJoburg.esp 2F 666_Modified_Contraception_esp_1_0.esp 30 Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96] 31 LoversBitch.esp 32 LoversCreature.esp 33 Lovers with PK Extender.esp [Version 2.4.3] 34 LoversPayBandit.esp 35 LoversTrueCrime.esp 36 LoversSlaveTrader.esp 37 PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.65.esp 38 LoversImmoralGuards.esp 39 LoversImmoralSisters.esp 3A LSTBravilUnderground.esp 3B LoversMagic.esp 3C LoversUnicorn.esp 3D LoversLight.esp 3E Stronger Soul Gems - no cap x2.esp 3F SetBody.esp 40 AutoSetBody.esp 41 EnchantmentRestore.esp 42 Oblivion XP.esp [Version 4.1.5] 43 DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp 44 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp 45 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp 46 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp 47 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp 48 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp 49 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp 4A Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp 4B x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp 4C Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp 4D Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp 4E Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp 4F Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp 50 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp 51 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp 52 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp 53 x117race.esp 54 x117Race ENG Race.esp 55 Lop-ears Elf.esp 56 Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp 57 SuccubusRace.esp 58 X.Races.Comp.esp 59 LoversStripper.esp 5A PHHornTest.esp [Version 2.1] 5B TamagoDischarge.esp 5C LoversChorus.esp 5D LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp 5E Lair of the Hydra-4490.esp [Version 2.5] 5F zzEstrus.esp 60 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp 61 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp I'll coyp this message in the good topic too.
Unskilled Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 I want to add something.There's a mod with contraceptive pill to buy for player contraception.Can we choos, in your mod, to set the contraception only for female npc, to avoid many pregnant.But if they fuck another female, they give sperm like a male does.You see? Contraceptive just for female ovum.And for the player, he have to think to use pill.You can "choose" girl for make her "fertile" and not unfertile as she would be.And that will be perfect, like that you choose who's pregnant, and there's no massive childs every where. ^^I'll take a look at you ini Maybe i can understand it
JSmith20142 Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 This is a bit of an essay, apologies, but I'm going to try to clear up some confusion. Unskilled : I am using the Lovers with PK female contraceptive system, which works by blocking sperm transfer to a target with the contraceptive token in inventory. It does not take the presence of an ovum into account. Other Lovers mods - LoversProstitute for example - use this system too. I don't intend to make up my own. Currently, Tamago Fertility Clinic allows for a global contraceptive effect (as you requested a little while ago), which prevents all NPCs in the game who possess a womb (but not the player) from accepting sperm transfers. This effect is permanent, but can be dispelled from individual NPCs by a spell provided in Tamago Fertility Clinic. This global is controlled by a setting in the INI file (that's all the ini file does). A second spell in Tamago Fertility Clinic casts the contraceptive effect spell on individual NPCs. Both spells give an error message if cast on a male. The contraceptive pill provided by other mods provides a limited-duration contraceptive _to the player_ . I use this in my games, because the Tamago Fertility Clinic contraceptive deliberately only affects NPCs. Now, in light of this, considering your questions above :- 'Can we choos, in your mod, to set the contraception only for female npc, to avoid many pregnant' - this is already the case. Just turn the global contraceptive on. Males are not affected. 'But if they fuck another female, they give sperm like a male does' - this is the case if kokumarumilk is non-zero, but _no sperm transfer takes place if the recipient has the contraceptive token_. This is how the contraceptive works, see above. I think you have been expecting female --> female sperm transfer to a target _with the contraceptive token_ to happen with kokumaromike on. It won't. Males will not be able to donate sperm to them either. 'You see? Contraceptive just for female ovum.' I do see, but I think you don't understand the system, which is why I've gone into some detail above. 'And for the player, he have to think to use pill' The pill does not work on player males who must use the condom if they wish to avoid donating sperm. Female players can/should use the pills, as the Tamago Fertility Clinic contraceptives _do not affect the player_ . 'You can "choose" girl for make her "fertile" and not unfertile as she would be.' - this is currently the case. Turn the global contraceptive on and no females other than the player can accept sperm, ever. If you want to make a female accept sperm, cast the Tamago Fertility Clinic 'dispel contraceptive' spell on them. Note that if you turn the global contraceptive off in the .ini, then load a saved game, any NPCs who have already been in the same cell as the player will still have the global contraceptive, but previously unseen (new) ones will not. 'And that will be perfect, like that you choose who's pregnant, and there's no massive childs every where. ^^' - it currently does just what you're asking; but I'm not sure you understand what you're asking for I've been testing v 1.04 of tamago Fertility Clinic for some time, starting with a new game, and the tamagoclub spam is simply not present, and the womb status is always available - i.e. the bug is fixed. There is a problem with v 1.04 though. Calindil does not want to sell certain classes of items, such as potions. Rather than struggle with him any more, Norbert Lelles in Anvil now sells everything that Calindil will not, so the conception potion (and everything else) is available from him. This is in v 1.05, which I'll upload after a bit more testing. Varenne requested a way of having a class-specific version of the global contraceptive effect, so that, for example, all females NPCs would be fertile except guards. A guard-specific setting is now in 1.05, but I'm tinkering with a way of making it possible to specify any class/race as having the contraceptive. Not sure if I'll include that in the release or not. I'm going to copy this post to the Tamago Fertility Clinic thread too.
rghost Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 Does anyone know why ovum fertilization would so often lead to so many fertilized ova? I'd say about half of the fertilizations that have occurred in my games have resulted in multiple fertilized ova. The settings for TamagoClub are the default ones. I've been having this problem for a while and I've been using the latest versions of TamagoClub and HiyokoClub. I've tried disabling all of my other mods and it still happens. After a long debug session I found the part where this is happening. Script a4tcsOvumOne for two fertilized ova and script a4tcsFertilizedOvumOne for four babys. This line "while d->LastMins <= data->LastMins + a4tc.RunInterval" doesn't make sense to me and causes this. This loops the block twice, everytime. There is a high chance a4tcfFertilize gets called twice.
Liuli Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 I'm wondering where would be a good place to report a bug with HiyokoGeneratorCreature? It doesn't seem to have it's own thread. Using the Tamago/Hiyoko files from the original post here, all the creatures my character gives birth to are always hostile towards other NPCs. They can't be ordered to stay in an 'orphanage' (they don't follow the apple if I spawn it from Hiyoko Settings), and while hostile they also inherit my character's factions, which means if I kill them to prevent them from attacking NPCs I get suspended from the mages guild. Usually this isn't a problem as most creature children get killed off by guard NPCs easily enough, but sometimes the creatures born are pretty strong and go on a murdering spree. This is of course only regarding creature children from HiyokoGeneratorCreature rather than the normal human children which work fine in my game.
Liuli Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 Hmm I see. I thought I'd post here as I was using the version from post #7 here. I'll comb over the older Hiyoko thread to see if I find more info. Thanks.
luinil Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 My install ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ =============================================================== Install before upgrade 1.04 upgraded to tamago club 1.12 with hiyoko generator justinov(modified 1.05 version), earlier versions of lovers encounters ,hiyoko shooter,namelist english etc etc . I noticed that all the files that i have like hiyoko generator have later version that posts say work ok with tamago club 1.15/hiyokoClub 1.10 .(page 1 op )Cept no mention of tamago Discharge ( well on the first page of the op). I am using lover PK96v1 Upgrade to tamagoClub 1.15 I did a quick test and upgrade of my previous install to tamago club v1.15 and used hiyoko generator 1.10 ( i just overwrote stuff).I did not upgrade lovers encounters(didnt load) or namelist english or hiyoko shooter and it appeared ok. my tomago hud kil worked ok. Ok i should just smack myself probably best with a clean install !? Questions about tamago club 1.15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- =======================================================================Mad companion spells +extensions , or inventory check unable to find womb,sperm or ova on anyone. Tamago hud kill did show sperm and womb state! wtf? Are wombs or ova hidden by default ?Even from MCS!Maybe i just f******** the install. Also strange new options in tamago club ini something about clean up of sperm?Near the bottom i think.Anyone know much about those options ?they are completely new to me so I have no idea what they do. tamago discharge does not appear to work ? reverted back to 1.12 so its no disaster or anything.Its just it took so much effort to get tamago club 1.12 working that I am asking all these questions .thank you.
luinil Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 Oh dear God. I've never understood Wyre Bash. Its a bit like ENPs for me. I listen to the instructions and they just go right over my head. I really must find the time and patience to work them both out. Still one thing.... Am I right in assuming that: Tamago - concerns pregnancy? Hiyoko - concerns children? VARENNE didnt mention tspec mod ( i think). Its required for tamago set body or else you wont get fat when u get knocked up.Tamago club is NOT an easy install.Also the omod for MBP is ok on LL but the choc elf race is a bit messed up (search LL for XEO. or MBP stuff if u want to find the mpb omod .Thats not required for tamago club but it is for alot of other big mods like bravil underground/slave trader , crowning Isle etc.But i did find a version of choc elves on another website I just overwrote the choc elf esp and it worked ok .Dunno if f117 race is on the mbp omod on LL but U need the f117 race AND that required MBP.Yeah tamago club is one of the toughest lovers pk mod to install.Read docs,Trial an error ,repeat until you scream!
Deimos Posted June 13, 2013 Posted June 13, 2013 i''ve ran into a few issues with tamango the biggest being that my character would loose her womb out of nowhere, and another where it would say fertilized ovum then immediately disappear when the next phase occurred. load order Oblivion.esmBeautiful People 2ch-Ed.esmLovers with PK.esmTamagoClub.esmLoversCreature.esmHiyokoClub.esmx117race.esmChanpon.esmxeosp++.espUnofficial Oblivion Patch.espUOPS Additional Changes.espUOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.espDLCShiveringIsles.espUnofficial Shivering Isles Patch.espNatural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.espNatural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.espNatural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.espNatural_Water_by_Max_Tael.espMONSTERGIRL-CoC.espDLCHorseArmor.espDLCOrrery.espDLCVileLair.espDLCMehrunesRazor.espDLCSpellTomes.espMaleBodyReplacerV5.espGGBDDCW.espHGECFighterDMB_BodyPiercings_2.espDMRA Skimpy Armor Expanded.espFWAD.espmilkslave.espR18PN - Bs Bondage.espDLCThievesDen.espApachii_Goddess_Store.espDLCBattlehornCastle.espDLCFrostcrag.espKnights.espNatural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.espTamagoPlayerHUDkil.espTamagoNews.espTamagoTopic.espLoversTamagoClub.espLoversHiyokoShooter.espLoversEncounter.espHiyokoGenerator.espHiyokoGeneratorCreature.espLoversAphrodisia.espLoversAphrodisiaHUD.espLoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.espLoversVoiceSSPplus.espLoversRaperS.espLovers with PK.espLoversCrowningIsle.espLoversBitch.espLoversCreature.espLovers with PK Extender.espLoversStopCombatEx.espLoversSpermSplashEx.espLoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.espLoversMB2.espLoversLight.espLoversSlaveTrader.espLSTBravilUnderground.espAlternative Start by Robert Evrae.espUChainBeast.espDiabloEF 6 in 1.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.espx117race.espLop-ears Elf.espLop-ears Elf_mini.espLSTaddonInH.espPlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.68.espFuroGeneratorTrap.espwsViolator.espPrisonIrons.espCB Unholy Corrupter.espWeightLifter.espReaper's The Necromancer's Tower.espLoversIdleAnimsPriority.espLoversAnimObjectsPriority.espBashed Patch, 0.esp
JSmith20142 Posted June 13, 2013 Posted June 13, 2013 The usual cause of a character 'losing her womb' in my experience is accidentally trading it to someone else - one misclick will do it. Easiest way of preventing that from happening is to raise the realism level one level so you can no longer trade wombs, sperm or ova. A fertilised ovum will disappear in the luteal phase if it fails to implant; i.e. become an embryo. It dies, it is no more. This happens to the majority of fertilised ova unless you tweak the ini settings.
Deimos Posted June 13, 2013 Posted June 13, 2013 The usual cause of a character 'losing her womb' in my experience is accidentally trading it to someone else - one misclick will do it. Easiest way of preventing that from happening is to raise the realism level one level so you can no longer trade wombs, sperm or ova. A fertilised ovum will disappear in the luteal phase if it fails to implant; i.e. become an embryo. It dies, it is no more. This happens to the majority of fertilised ova unless you tweak the ini settings. I've had realism set to 1 since I started the character and she's lost it quite a few times over 15 hours of play, also which ini settings would I need to tweak?
JSmith20142 Posted June 14, 2013 Posted June 14, 2013 I'm still using TamagoClub 1.12; see no benefits in upgrading, but I have never seen a womb 'vanish' as you describe. I've always done something stupid to make it happen, and it never happens with a raised realism level. Either there's a major bug introduced in 1.15, or your setup is wonky. The implantation rate is set at 5% by default in the .ini file (at least in v 1.12). Change that to 100%, and all your fertilised ova will become happy Hiyokos if you have HiyokoClub and a HiyokoGenerator installed, or they will until you run out of hiyoko slots, which won't take long using the vanilla HiyokoClub. Justinov's version allows 400 Hiyokos, and is recommended.
Deimos Posted June 14, 2013 Posted June 14, 2013 I've been through 1.15 one and half times now, of maxing out children, and have had no disappearing wombs. None, zilch, nada. It may not have any direct affect on your ongoing issues, but I would tweak the LO for your top most ESMs a bit more, here's part of my LO that works for me with no issues: * 00 Oblivion.esm [CRC: 2FF840C5] * 01 Lovers with PK.esm [CRC: 958E2A3C] * 02 BreakUndies.esm [CRC: 5AFA12A7] * 03 TamagoClub.esm [CRC: 043B27B7] * 04 HiyokoClub.esm [CRC: 7B0F8613] * 05 LoversCreature.esm [CRC: 36E038A3] * 06 CM Partners.esm [CRC: FE525BB3] * 07 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm [CRC: 357FA25C] * 08 x117race.esm [CRC: EB24F47A] * 09 Chanpon.esm [CRC: 91260723] I would then disable these, retest for at least the same number of hours and if no issue reintroduce them one by one till you either find the issue or can eliminate them as a root cause: MONSTERGIRL-CoC.esp LoversEncounter.esp LoversCrowningIsle.esp LoversSlaveTrader.esp LSTBravilUnderground.esp LSTaddonInH.esp UChainBeast.esp PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.68.esp FuroGeneratorTrap.esp wsViolator.esp CB Unholy Corrupter.esp No idea what these two do or are: GGBDDCW.esp FWAD.esp I redid the load order as suggested and disabled a few of the mods it seems to be working for now went through the entire process conception, pregnancy but something strange happened the two kids I had were wearing a mix and match of various armors, as for GGBDDCW.esp FWAD.esp those are both armor mods.
JSmith20142 Posted June 14, 2013 Posted June 14, 2013 What the Hiyoko children are wearing at 'birth' depends entirely on the HiyokoGenerator you are using. Several variants are available on this site. The generators usually try to pick something from the mother's inventory, and fill in with whatever the author felt like if nothing is available. I recommend Justinov's version; you only get 'cute' female children, and they don't get armour, only clothing (actually, I like Justinov's elf-variant children, but think his human ones look weird, so have replaced the faces with ones from City Life). So, if your generator allows armour inheritance, it wouldn't be strange for the children to end up with some armour the mother had in inventory, even if she's not currently wearing it.
dragenx Posted June 15, 2013 Posted June 15, 2013 Tamagoclub is showing Unknown womb state I seen this before and it went away but now it not going away see pictures
JSmith20142 Posted June 15, 2013 Posted June 15, 2013 Womb state 150 is 'Child Bed Term', which I seem to recall lasts for 7 days with the default INI file settings. Has your character recently dropped a sprog? If so, this could take a game week to clear. The other unknown state I see sometimes is 40, which is harder to understand - TamagoClub sets this for reasons I haven't looked at too closely, although I keep meaning to. TamagoPlayerHUDkil does not cope with these two states too well, but usually the onset of the next menstruation phase clears it up. I've seen references to an updated version, which knows about state 150, but have never seen it. Oh, and Varenne, sorry, I've been trying to work out which City Life version I'm using - it's not too easy, as there are no proper scripts to hold a version number. All I can tell you is that it's a 117 variant, the esp name is 'City Life-x117', is MBP dependent and only modifies NPCs in cities, so it's at least version 2.0, possibly 2,2. I used the CS to add CityLife faces to the HiyokoGenerator.
gregathit Posted June 15, 2013 Posted June 15, 2013 Tamagoclub is showing Unknown womb state I seen this before and it went away but now it not going away see pictures Please tell me you are not trying to run Lovers with PK and Tamago Club with Nehrim.......... Hopefully the name of your screenshots is just a fluke.
JSmith20142 Posted June 15, 2013 Posted June 15, 2013 That looks uncannily like Nehrim architecture to me ... Wasn't someone building a list of Lovers mods that work with Nehrim a little while ago? I don't see any reason why Tamago Club shouldn't function, though I dunno about children.
gregathit Posted June 15, 2013 Posted June 15, 2013 That looks uncannily like Nehrim architecture to me ... Wasn't someone building a list of Lovers mods that work with Nehrim a little while ago? I don't see any reason why Tamago Club shouldn't function, though I dunno about children. Lovers with PK references the Oblivion.esm I am willing to bet the TamagoClub.esm does also. That is pretty standard. Unless you change the masters most plugins just won't work or will generate errors. Yea, an attempt to get the core plugins remastered to Nehrim was done but it hasn't been updated in quite a long time.
JSmith20142 Posted June 15, 2013 Posted June 15, 2013 You'd lose the bet, I'm afraid, although you're right about lovers with pk, of course.
rghost Posted June 15, 2013 Posted June 15, 2013 I released a new version of TamagoClub v1.15c here Fixed bugs: - Ovum fertilization lead often to many fertilized ova- same for empryos etc... - Changes to translation (Added a few translations by movomo)
gregathit Posted June 15, 2013 Posted June 15, 2013 You'd lose the bet, I'm afraid, although you're right about lovers with pk, of course. Ah.... However, do I squeak by on the technicality that Tamago Club has to have LPK in order to function? LOL. :lol:
JSmith20142 Posted June 15, 2013 Posted June 15, 2013 You do, Mr Slippery, unless I want to get ultra-technical and say you could use the console to add sperm And looking at rghost's post reminded me of why I'm still using TC v 1.12.
luinil Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 OK I know what most of the tamago /hiyoko stuff does but there is not much info on hiyoko generator creature. Obviously it means you can get knocked up and birth creatures right? But details would be good.How does it work? If a scamp knocks you up do you birth a mini scamp ? Knocked up by a troll a troll? mini sized /full sized? Agressive ? Follow you around?Any special meshes textures required for it to work?hiyokoCreatureShooter required?WHo knows?
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