UNP vs CBBE vs LB vs Real Female Body

[Kaulinis Nemara]

Currently there are too many body replacers online for Skyrim to choose from: UNP, CBBE, LB, ADEC etc...

Moreover, despite those bodies being amazing, every moder suggests his preference. And everyone claims that only theirs is the most realistic...

So, if you're like me - have doubts and don't no which one to choose, here's little helper:

 

 

Now it contains only these body mods, but perhaps later I'll add more.

 

So, which one you think is more life-like? Or maby none?

[Khiropter]

Well each body was created whit diff ideas in mind.

LB is more of a model body as you can look, more skinny

UNP is looking like average body

CBBE is the opposite of skinny, well not fat but it is more "modified" so to speak, normal language implants

Adec from what i saw goes more into the anime tits style (check rangiku from bleach ).

 

But at the end it's simply your decision to what you will use.

 

LB. well.. there are not so many armor custom made, you can check here ( Lady body

Adec did not see so many armors as i did not checked or wanted to use it

UNP and CBBE well they are quite balanced when it comes to armors also as both have body slider you can customize the armors to be unp

 

Also there are some more body mods whit are more extreme(well in my taste) like CHSBHC

[Absurdity]

And then there's unpb which has the "average" body of UNP but pretty damn big breasts at max weight.

[Monsto Brukes]

ADEC is more on the voluptuous side. classic pinup proportions. or in more modern terms, brazilian bikini type. It's just a little exaggerated in the hips and chest.

 

In a perfect world, different characters in the game would have different body types. unp 30-60% weight would have the greatest presence with the other bodies in various weights appearing less prevalently. the old women in whiterun would be unp 0% while the wm in dibella's temple would I think be better off adec.

 

etc etc... it'd be an interesting mod, to be sure.

 

In the vanilla game, i can't really tell the difference between any of the women. It would make it more realistic, immersive.

[Absurdity]

ADEC is more on the voluptuous side. classic pinup proportions. or in more modern terms' date=' brazilian bikini type. It's just a little exaggerated in the hips and chest.

 

In a perfect world, different characters in the game would have different body types. unp 30-60% weight would have the greatest presence with the other bodies in various weights appearing less prevalently. the old women in whiterun would be unp 0% while the wm in dibella's temple would I think be better off adec.

 

etc etc... it'd be an interesting mod, to be sure.

 

In the vanilla game, i can't really tell the difference between any of the women. It would make it more realistic, immersive.

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But then again there's not really a need to tell the difference between the different women because the NPC's are all extremely bland and uninteresting anyway.

[Monsto Brukes]

ADEC is more on the voluptuous side. classic pinup proportions. or in more modern terms' date=' brazilian bikini type. It's just a little exaggerated in the hips and chest.

 

In a perfect world, different characters in the game would have different body types. unp 30-60% weight would have the greatest presence with the other bodies in various weights appearing less prevalently. the old women in whiterun would be unp 0% while the wm in dibella's temple would I think be better off adec.

 

etc etc... it'd be an interesting mod, to be sure.

 

In the vanilla game, i can't really tell the difference between any of the women. It would make it more realistic, immersive.

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But then again there's not really a need to tell the difference between the different women because the NPC's are all extremely bland and uninteresting anyway.

 

Touche . . . but it couldn't hurt.

 

Or actually, it probably would have . . . by pushing the release date out another year. d=

[Kaulinis Nemara]

Thank you guys for clarifying the proper differences of these body mods.

 

'Cause it was very difficult to choose one over another.

 

Now it's much easier to do so.

 

Though one question remains: what about vanilla body? Was it so bad and unbalanced that moders had to make a new ones? Or it wasn't and they fixed unbroken thing?

(It's just out of curiosity and, well, some claim that Skyrim vanilla is good.)

[Monsto Brukes]

Thank you guys for clarifying the proper differences of these body mods.

 

'Cause it was very difficult to choose one over another.

 

Now it's much easier to do so.

 

Though one question remains: what about vanilla body? Was it so bad and unbalanced that moders had to make a new ones? Or it wasn't and they fixed unbroken thing?

(It's just out of curiosity and' date=' well, some claim that Skyrim vanilla is good.)

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It was just very very plain and the txtr was low res just shit. Iirc it was a 512 txtr with a 256 normal map and a 128 specular and environment map. That shit is necessary for the what 7 yr old xbox but is severely low detail for even slightly current pc.

 

If you run the game in hd you could push ridiculous frame rates. With any of these bodies + 1024 textures and maps + hd world textures + enbdev.com add on, I run ~30fps and I've got a middling rig.

 

 

 

so to answer your question, the problem is that the game is a console Port to PC. If it had been designed for PC, then ported to xbox, it would have been a much prettier game right from the start.

[Kaulinis Nemara]

Thank you guys for clarifying the proper differences of these body mods.

 

'Cause it was very difficult to choose one over another.

 

Now it's much easier to do so.

 

Though one question remains: what about vanilla body? Was it so bad and unbalanced that moders had to make a new ones? Or it wasn't and they fixed unbroken thing?

(It's just out of curiosity and' date=' well, some claim that Skyrim vanilla is good.)

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It was just very very plain and the txtr was low res just shit. Iirc it was a 512 txtr with a 256 normal map and a 128 specular and environment map. That shit is necessary for the what 7 yr old xbox but is severely low detail for even slightly current pc.

 

If you run the game in hd you could push ridiculous frame rates. With any of these bodies + 1024 textures and maps + hd world textures + enbdev.com add on, I run ~30fps and I've got a middling rig.

 

 

 

so to answer your question, the problem is that the game is a console Port to PC. If it had been designed for PC, then ported to xbox, it would have been a much prettier game right from the start.

 

I suppose you are right. That explains a lot!..

 

Thank you!

[Jexsam]

It was just very very plain and the txtr was low res just shit. Iirc it was a 512 txtr with a 256 normal map and a 128 specular and environment map. That shit is necessary for the what 7 yr old xbox but is severely low detail for even slightly current pc.

 

If you run the game in hd you could push ridiculous frame rates. With any of these bodies + 1024 textures and maps + hd world textures + enbdev.com add on' date=' I run ~30fps and I've got a middling rig.

 

 

 

so to answer your question, the problem is that the game is a console Port to PC. If it had been designed for PC, then ported to xbox, it would have been a much prettier game right from the start.

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Nailed it.

 

But yes, the vanilla body this time around was surprisingly nice, all things considered. While it wasn't packing bombastic curves or an idealized shape, it had a good, believeable shape to it, like you would expect a strong, well-traveled adventurer to look. It even did a good job modelling breasts bound by a bra.

 

Really, other than replacing the decent but low-rez body, the only other reason people replaced it was because they wanted a different body that they thought looked better. In other words, the replacers were made for 100% aesthetic reasons.

 

 

Also, thanks of that comparison pic up top. Pretty soundly displays just how ludicrous CBBE looks from a realism standpoint, and how much more like an actual woman (even a model/porn star like pictured) UNP and LB actually are. XD

[Kaulinis Nemara]

It seams that improvements have no limits!

If vanilla is that good as you say (I have no doubt) only low-poly and low-res then other body mods are just for - as Khiropter said - personal preference.

 

In general, it seams that they were made for different purpose:

some of them (like CBBE) brings more fantasy-like feeling while others (UNP, LB) gives us more naturalistic and realistic look...

 

Moreover, vanilla itself takes over middle ground being base structure for everybody. It's not perfect, has pale and unnatural texture, but still... It's quite good, am I right?

 

P.S. You're welcome, Jexsam! I'm glad that you liked it!

[GECK.O]

UNP is the closest to the real body. It just need to widening the chest and waist, it will be perfect.

[Jexsam]

The female body they're being compared against does have unusually high nipples. Being a fan of breasts, I can tell you that, drawing on my vast knowledge of large (realistically large, anyway) breast shapes and types, the body mods in question all use the most "ideal" centered nipple shape. However, more often than not, natural breasts tend to have lower nipples, and fake tits have nipples in all sorts of weird positions depending on how the fake bits were put in and what shape they had before. Naturally high nipples do happen, but they aren't as common as centered and much less common than low.

 

As for shape, yeah, LB and especially CBBE are ball-shaped-ish. Not impossible for natural tits, but very rare; nine times out of ten, round breasts like that are fakes. UNP's technically have a more natural shape to them, but they're still gravity-defying. They manage not to look fake, but instead look downright impossible. XD

[Cezul]

Personally, UNPB has gotta be one of the best in my opinion.

 

It has the best range. Can go from like an B all the way to HUEG.

 

CBBE is also a good one, was pretty much home grown from here too.

 

 

EDIT: Concerning the OP question, i'd say LB is probably the closest, UNP being a good second.

CBBE is sort of super model like in comparison.

[AmazoniaRed]

I will be uploading a female body mod of my own in the not too distant future. The body will be most closely related to CBBE though it will have proportions that are a bit slimmer (particularly slimmer around the posterior). I always found most of the female bodies lacking finality (as in the body mod is so awesome that there is nothing on this mod you would want to change) and my goal is to create a chest size from a large C to a large D without causing an unnatural or non-warrior look (highly doubt seeing a voluptuous body on a serious female warrior)(bloody difficult to do). I am also looking into creating armor meshes for that body type as well but it will take some time because I am just now learning how to do this as I go (using 3ds Max).

[Jexsam]

It has the best range. Can go from like an B all the way to HUEG.

 

My one issue with UNPB' date=' and I hope I'm not the only one who thinks so, is that the weight slider is... disproportionate. By that I mean, the hips/thighs/ass scale at one rate, but the breasts scale at another.

 

I have to have a certain ratio of tits-to-ass to really like a body, as a most basic critera. And literally every other body out there manages to maintain that ratio, even the godawful CHSBHC and somewhat less awful CBBE, keep things balanced. But UNPB throws that out the window, utterly sacrificing the "idealized-realistic" scaling in favor of ZOMGtits, and completely ignoring ZOMGass.

 

There are things about UNPB I like better than Standard. I like UNPB's smaller nipples, and I love how UNPB has such a wide range, I really do. It does what the weight slider should always have done (albiet for only one specific body part); provide a wide range of body sizes. But the hips/thighs/ass stay the same as UNP Standard, and the tits just balloon.

 

I'd be using UNPB if I could still get a shape like this (NSFW; imgur, sorry) with the slider at %50-%75.

 

tl;dr I like tits but UNPB is all top-heavy with no counter-balance.

[Jexsam]

I do in fact have that. Haven't played with it much, but the sliders for breasts and butt only work if the skeleton supports it. When I removed the old BBP skeleton (which cast awful shadows anyway) I lost those sliders. Haven't chekced it yet with the new Max Compatibility Skeleton yet, but we'll see, I guess.

[Eu4orick]

Seeing as this is a simular thread to mine , any you guys know of some extreemly detailed textures for the whole bodies of these mods in question?

 

IMO: Only UNP has a desent natural to supermodel body, very tonned! Also has the best textures I can find to fit it for realism to (So far)!?

 

Most the ones I usually find are around 2048x, but I've heard of rare ones I cannot find due to them being private or under work of 4096x. But these would or better res would be the sort I'm looking for

[brokezor]

Personally I like LB best, but the incompattible UV map is a deal breaker for me. It's breast need a lil more gravity and the shoulders, especially up to the neck are too bulky. Everything else seems to the most natural looking of all bodies out there. Alas for the UV map LB could've been the winner imo.

 

I mixed my bodies with the Unique Everything mod, CBBE, UNP, UNP Slim... I'd love though, if there was a TGND body for Skyrim.

[Dex Luther]

Where's the droopy boob mod for all the droopy boob fans (not me) out there? lol

 

UNP is my favorite. Actually, I use DIMONIZED UNP. Unfortunately, I keep finding armor mods I want to use that use CBBE, and old versions of CBBE at that (like the one mentioned in the thread linked in my sig). Fortunately, I've never had problems using CBBE armors with UNP installed. Because of that I was able to give certain followers certain armors, which avoided a whole 'clone body' issue with my army of female followers.

[dwjlien]

Coming back to the game after 9 months, this discussion is relevant to me, and the debate does seem to be CBBE vs DIMONIZED UNP

 

My concern which one has the most armours out there for it? Which one gets the best costumes?  CBBE or DIMONIZED UNP?

[Eu4orick]

Coming back to the game after 9 months, this discussion is relevant to me, and the debate does seem to be CBBE vs DIMONIZED UNP

 

My concern which one has the most armours out there for it? Which one gets the best costumes?  CBBE or DIMONIZED UNP?

 

They both have a great selection of uber sexy attire if you look hard enough for them, they both have a wide range of great lore friendly (or unfriendly) stuff . I would NEVER EVER SAY which has the best costumes because they both ALWAYS have ones you'd rather have on the opposite body ! Sometimes there's a choice to have both win win  .

 

IMO if your eyes are always looking at the exposed flesh in close detail through whatever armours or drapes of fabric you choose, then to me I use UNP as it is the most realistic looking with textures and figure shape to aside. (The girl next door) My preference.

 

CBBE is highly customisable though and I think the clear winner on which has the most armours to get for out the two choices. (But to me its too Barbie to start with) It's the supermodel you've always dreamed of...

 

& then there's ADEC, which just slowly goes into the oversized boobs & bum department of lovers, automatically for you

 

Make your choice on what you would prefer your ideal figure to look like as a starting point, (then see if she's got ways to be tweaked further) then start getting her the gear that fits her! Then dump her from time to time because someone else took your fancy? xD

[Gawdzila]

Also, thanks of that comparison pic up top. Pretty soundly displays just how ludicrous CBBE looks from a realism standpoint, and how much more like an actual woman (even a model/porn star like pictured) UNP and LB actually are. XD

 

I can't really agree.  In fact to me CBBE's hips look much more like the actual woman, LB and UNB both have pelvic crests that are much too pronounced and make that area look "lumpy".  Some women do have that, of course, but it isn't necessarily more realistic.  LB in particular has an extremely unnatural-looking shoulder-breast region, IMO, where it looks like her shoulders are set too far back from her chest.  When viewed in game the breasts are too round and perky for their size; they have basically no gravity to them.  Once again, I have seen the rare young woman with boobs like that, but it isn't exactly the norm.  LB's body looks nice in a lot of ways, but I wouldn't call it significantly more realistic than any other.

 

CBBE's primary problems are with a waist that is a bit too pinched and breasts that are too round, but both of those are easily alter-able with BodySlide.  In fact with BodySlide, a tool that no other body takes advantage of to even half the effect that CBBE does, you can make CBBE much more realistic-looking than either of the others.  And to top it off, the Realistic Body System can use BodySlide combined with a SkyProc patcher to generate unique-looking bodies and select different textures for virtually every NPC -- because nothing is more unrealistic than every woman having the same-shaped body.

 

Nice job picking Luba as the example for "real woman", btw.  I'd know that figure anywhere.  I wouldn't call her so much a "real woman" as the living embodiment of female perfection.  There aren't many who look like her.

[tagalong]

I prefer cbbe. I've tried them all, and I like cbbe best. It's all a matter of taste. I don't think cbbe is fake looking. I actually think it's more realistic than unp or unpb from presonal experience. It's all subjective and you should see what body you like and the mods that are available, there's no right or wrong.

[Snazzishoez]

I like UNP and CBBE, they're nice.  I love LB.  It's my own taste of course.  Everyone has a reason for using the model they prefer and there's nothing wrong with that at all.  The only reason to use UNP or CBBE for me would be the huge selection of modded gear available out there.  UNP offers more that it looks more of what the original/vanilla body looked like as well.  For me, I like the shape and detail put into Krista's LB.

 

Not so many armors, but honestly, how many do you need?  She has over a dozen and some are being reworked because of her updated body v2.0.  The good thing about her armors are they are very well made, extremely detailed and sexy.  I can appreciate the lore some of the hardcore players try to stick to, but when I have to spend hours and hours looking at my character I prefer she be well dressed and in gorgeous form. 

 

I can't go back to UNP or CBBE, but I still like some of the stuff out there made for them. 

 

P.S.  I thought this was all about a new body replacer being released, especially when I saw the models at top of post.  I thought to myself Real Female Body looks good.