Start a Sexout Wiki

[HawkleyFox]

I've just spent about 3 or 4 days debugging my installation of Sexout, so I'm feeling a little bit frustrated. But I'll try to turn that negative energy into a good suggestion.

 

In fixing my problem, I eventually had to pour into various threads, reading numerous posts, to resolve my problem. Turned out a newer version of BrutalRapers was buried in a post, deep in the BurtalRapers thread. Good, up-to-date information is scattered everywhere and finding it requires research.

 

This all seems so unnecessary and indicates a big problem. It would be in the best interests of the community, I think, if all this scattered information was centralized and maintaining the integrity of that information was made open to anyone wishing to help.

 

So, yeah. How about a wiki?

 

Seems like it'd be better than having numerous forum threads scattered all over the place, FAQs, installation guides referring to other, newer, installation guides, posts referring back to older posts... And it would remove responsibility from single individuals to keep things like plug-in lists up-to-date. So long as the wiki is well maintained, it should make everything much smoother.

 

The way it is now just seems untenable. Does any one else feel the same way?

[zippy57]

That might actually be worth looking into. At the very least it would provide a spot to put the plugin list when the forum redesign and its smaller character-per-post limit is reintroduced. I would not suggest having it be a primary source of information (maybe given enough time it could be) but as long as that is made clear I don't think there would be any problem in at least giving it a shot. If it turns out to be a disaster it can be safely forgotten about.

[DoctaSax]

I'm not wild about wikia's terms of use though; no pornographic content, stuff can be deleted for any or no reason at all... I know there are wikias for certain H-games, but it would still be a shame if any effort put into it were snuffed out arbitrarily all of a sudden. And if we can't rely on it as a primary source of intel, it wouldn't deliver much other than some redundancy, and possibly even more confusion if it weren't completely in sync with the information right here.

 

I do agree we could use more clarity about the differences between various versions of mods like BR, hookups, & sexoutsex. And maybe, at some point, some kind of problem-solving flow chart to further reduce the same problems being reported over & over.

But those are things we can do right here, especially with CK being hands-on about locking & stickying threads & the like. If there is confusion about something, let's just start with bringing it out in the open & seeing what we can do.

 

Character limit? That would suck for your plugins list OP, of course. And hell, a lot of other posts & threads. But is it really happening?

[zippy57]

I figure it's worth seeing where it goes. It was requested by a user and wikis are totally user-driven, so the people who want it to be there and want information to be on it can put the information on it themselves, and if they don't do so then they know who to blame for the lack of information: themselves. And I went and started it myself so at least a Contributor has control and if it starts causing a problem it can be easily deleted. I don't expect it to do much more than mirror information that's already here, but I also don't see a problem in putting it out there and seeing what happens.

 

If it's being used as an FAQ source there really wouldn't be any pornographic content on it, but if you have a suggestion as to other wiki-type hosts? I went with Wikia because you could copy the Fallout wiki's templates and color-shift them and I thought it would be funny to be the mirror version of the Fallout wiki or something like that.

[Ark of Truth]

@OP

 

Follow the readme and install instructions and it is smooth sailing. Otherwise just come here and ask for help.

 

I agree with Doctasax we can do that all here. If we start creating wikis then it just going to be more trouble then it is worth. We would create them and then the terms of service would cause them to be deleted.

[zippy57]

I appear to have been outvoted! The link is removed. Don't point anyone to the site and it'll be like it doesn't exist.

 

EDIT: When the forum redesign was up there was a 10,000 character limit. The Plugin List was somewhere around 23,000. Whether or not the limit will be in place the second time around, only one person knows.

[DoctaSax]

Alternatives? Not really... only thing I can think of right now is the place that holds the slavemaker wiki. I hear the guy that hosts that is thinking of adding a Lovers wiki, so maybe that could make a good fit. Or not.

 

I didn't raise those objections just to completely shoot the idea down or anything. If it just mirrors intel rather than being the primary source & is the users' own responsibility, then fine by me. But I still think that our focus should be on reducing any confusion right here. We tend to underestimate what it's like for people just walking in. And hell, I'm not too sure about some stuff either.

 

As to the character limit: what's he building in there? We have a right to know...

[theskid]

I know when I was getting this stuff set up to work right I almost gave up, took 3-4 days and possibly two reinstalls ( might have just been one, s'bit fuzzy now since fall) before I actually got things functioning properly and with no conflicts. It's not that the instructions aren't all there, but when you are first setting it up it is quite complicated. The instructions also tend to assume that the user is familiar with modding, and modding bethesda games in particular, and literally this was my first experience modding any game except World of Warcraft. In other words I didn't know a FOMM from my asshole;), so instructions written with a complete first timer in mind would really be ideal.

 

Edit: By the way I'd like to thank you guys for opening up my games to a whole new world, there's lots of cool mods out there.

[Guest user29]

While I would support and help on a wiki if we had one, something tells me if they're not able to just read a post and follow links, reading a wiki and following links won't work any better.

[Mavia]

I've set up a wiki (for another project) using Dreamhost-- they have one-click installation and they're cheap.

 

(The biggest hassle is that wikis attract spammers, so open registration doesn't work for long.)

[zippy57]

Wikia appears to restrict editing privleges to registered Wikia members. And it's free.

 

I think one advantage of a wiki would be for quest walkthroughs. Rather than stuff them in a spoiler in the OP that only the uploader controls, it can have a whole page devoted to it without the need for spoilers and allowing users to add information that might be relevant.

 

So there is a wiki now. The TOS does prohibit pornographic content, but as it is meant as a supplement to and not a replacement for the forums, I don't think there will be any need for pornographic content on the wiki; keep it to FAQs and walkthroughs, neither of which need to be sexually explicit, and we should be fine. Promotional images and the like don't need to be on the wiki anyway. In other words, pretend the Sexout wiki is the Fallout wiki and keep it to the necessary basics.

[ChancellorKremlin]

I support the idea for a wiki. It would take quite a load of our backs if users could go there and add stuff by themselves, at least the ones with some zeal. We would obviously need to monitor it to make sure its accurate and generally up to date.

 

All publicity is good publicity, as they say!

[zippy57]

Any Contributors/Moderators who are interested, if you register as a user on the wiki I should be able to add you to the moderator group on there so you can have magical page-locking powers or whatever moderators can do on a wiki.

[ChancellorKremlin]

Done.

[zippy57]

Hmm... Still not showing any users other than me. Maybe you have to make an edit first? That's inconvenient. Just add an extra period to the main page or something.

 

EDIT: Never mind, I think I got it. You should be an Admin now. You'll probably have an Admin button at the bottom of the screen.

[Guest user29]

all right, I'm on there. Same name as here.

[zippy57]

You should now be an Admin as well.

[DoctaSax]

Good point about walkthroughs - authors don't necessarily want to have it all laid out in the OP.

And I'm curious to see Sexout walkthroughs that aren't sexually explicit

 

About the bare basics: what theskid says is probably the story of many who come in here. A sexed-out game is the kind of set-up that takes some experience with modding your own game, not like FCOM but beyond dropping in a cheat esp or a custom weapon. At the very least, it takes using a file manager like FOMM, and if people install some other mods, definitely knowing how to resolve conflicts with FNVEdit, possibly a bashed patch.

 

I think we should provide more information, at the very least some links to good tutorials for basic use of those programs. Not like the entire FNVEdit manual, for instance, just a concise guide about conflicts. And maybe add a few words on things like not installing steam to your program files, general stuff like that that's beyond sexout. Can't take anything for granted. Besides, just because people don't have that experience doesn't mean they won't try to install anyway and end up asking for help unborking their game.

 

We could stick all that up with the faq, the how to install sexout thread, see it copied to the wiki, and save us more trouble in the long run.

[HawkleyFox]

@Doctasax

 

You may have misunderstood. The forums do provide the most up to date information; I can't dispute that. The problem is all that information is scattered across the forum, in it's posts, in replies to FAQs and technical support queries, and the forum setting makes it extremely difficult to aggregate the most important of that information into a single location.

 

It could all be done here, but the level of moderation required to make it work is far larger than would be required for a wiki. Keeping in mind that a forum thread's original post is largely owned and maintained by a single user, all responsibility for keeping information in the OP up to date lays on one person's shoulders.

 

Right now, zippy57 is the only one who can easily maintain the plugins list since he created that thread. He's done a great job at it so far, but what if he looses interest in the community and leaves without an announcement? How long will that post remain stickied up there with no-one maintaining it? A moderator might pop in and update it periodically, but those updates would almost certainly be sporadic. There would no longer be a dedicated maintainer for the thread until a new one is created to replace it.

 

Maintenance issues similar to this example have occurred at least twice now for BrutalRapers alone, where it has been up to a moderator to update its mega-thread's OP to reflect the latest version (thanks for updating it, btw). The current version is 4 months old now, and the OP has only today been updated with the most correct and accurate information.

 

Using a crowd-sourced method of aggregating important information is the simplest way to reduce the headaches many people here have trying to get things working.

 

@Ark of Truth

 

This isn't the first time I've used Sexout, but it has been many months since I last played it. In this case, none-of readmes, installation instructions, or tech support threads were useful in revealing that the OP of the BrutalRapers thread was incorrect in stating that the most up-to-date version was attached to it. The latest version was actually attached to a 4 month old post buried in it's thread. I feel like I am more the victim of a problem with information aggregation than simply being ignorant or unable to RTFM.

[KainsChylde]

I have to agree, a crowd-sourced wiki would give more up-to-date concise information in a single place. As things currently stand here, how many of us actually update the OP regularly instead of tacking new information to the end of the thread? Meanwhile in a wiki everything is the op, there is no "lost at the end of the thread".

 

And Zippy, I'm registered over there. Same screenie as here.

[astymma]

Joined as Astymma.

[Guest user29]

how many of us actually update the OP regularly instead of tacking new information to the end of the thread?

 

*raises hand*

 

[KainsChylde]

It was meant as a rhetorical question to make a point, smartyguy

[Guest user29]

You guys just need to step your game up.

[DoctaSax]

@ HawkleyFox

 

I agree with a lot of your points. Always thought we could do better in presenting information, preventing trouble rather than trying to shoot it when it happens. We fall a little short in dealing with people who're not experienced with modding their game, keeping track of mods with various versions by various people, a few other things too here & there.

 

I still think we can't let the fact that there's a wiki lull us into thinking the forum section doesn't need improvements in those areas either. After all, the wiki can be taken down, & then all that nicely aggregated intel is lost. Best to hedge our bets.