Attractiveness System

[Valancy]

Hello, first of all I want to really thanks Turbodriver for this system (and sorry for my English).

 

I understand, that "connections" between attractive Sims are in progress? Because I made a couple "perfect match" but they ignoring each other. The chemistry system from TS2 was my only reason to play The Sims in the first place. In TS4 I waited too long for this and it's very important for me.

 

I know, that the best way to ask modder is do it on his Patreon site, but right now I have now way to make a donation, because of my bank problems. I do it for sure in a few days.

 

Could someone here would help me and "cure" my little disappointment? :)

 

kind regards!

[Kadavera]

I feel your pain.

Just for kicks I made a new Sim to try out the new attractiveness system.  My young adult thought that elder Jacques Villareal was a hottie!  

It didn't take me long to go back into a spare Mod folder I made and grab the older WW file I replaced this with.  I'm so glad I didn't try this with my established couples.  It would have broke my heart to see them ignoring each other.  Especially the couple who were so much in love that I actually had no hand in their engagement and elopement.

 

[Vengeance_11]

21 hours ago, Valancy said:

Hello, first of all I want to really thanks Turbodriver for this system (and sorry for my English).

 

I understand, that "connections" between attractive Sims are in progress? Because I made a couple "perfect match" but they ignoring each other. The chemistry system from TS2 was my only reason to play The Sims in the first place. In TS4 I waited too long for this and it's very important for me.

 

I know, that the best way to ask modder is do it on his Patreon site, but right now I have now way to make a donation, because of my bank problems. I do it for sure in a few days.

 

Could someone here would help me and "cure" my little disappointment?

 

kind regards!

 

5 hours ago, Kadavera said:

I feel your pain.

Just for kicks I made a new Sim to try out the new attractiveness system.  My young adult thought that elder Jacques Villareal was a hottie!  

It didn't take me long to go back into a spare Mod folder I made and grab the older WW file I replaced this with.  I'm so glad I didn't try this with my established couples.  It would have broke my heart to see them ignoring each other.  Especially the couple who were so much in love that I actually had no hand in their engagement and elopement.

 

You can change what and who your Sim finds attractive by selecting the "Attractiveness" bubble on the pie menu.

[Valancy]

Thank You for Your answers.

@Kadavera click on sim - Attractiveness, Generate and change Your Sim attraction, as @Vengeance_11 said. You can set his sexual preferences (homo, heterosexual, bi), age, hairs, eyes et cetera.  Looks like Your Sim right now prefers male oldies with gray hair. :)

I changed my Sims their preferences and they reacted like "OMG, this is the ONE" but then they ignored each other. I thought, that they will start to chat or even flirt like in TS2.

so my question is: are Turbodriver planning to add some kind visible connection between matching Sims in the future?

Right now it is only an information, that this Sim is "hottie", but there are no changes in Sims behaviors.

[Vengeance_11]

1 hour ago, Valancy said:

Thank You for Your answers.

@Kadavera click on sim - Attractiveness, Generate and change Your Sim attraction, as @Vengeance_11 said. You can set his sexual preferences (homo, heterosexual, bi), age, hairs, eyes et cetera.  Looks like Your Sim right now prefers male oldies with gray hair.

I changed my Sims their preferences and they reacted like "OMG, this is the ONE" but then they ignored each other. I thought, that they will start to chat or even flirt like in TS2.

so my question is: are Turbodriver planning to add some kind visible connection between matching Sims in the future?

Right now it is only an information, that this Sim is "hottie", but there are no changes in Sims behaviors.

You'd need to ask Turbo himself, but your suggestion is a great idea for expanding it.

Right now, you have to do all the chatting up and flirting yourself but your Sim does have dreams about who they find attractive. (My YA nurse likes older men and regularly dreams of the Adult doctor she works with)   

[Valancy]

Thank You!

I just ordered new card from my bank (my older one do not „works” with paypal) and I’m from central Europe, so there are some difficulties.

I do not hesitate to ask Turbo when I donate him. Right now I must wait.

 

[Kadavera]

11 hours ago, Valancy said:

Thank You for Your answers.

@Kadavera click on sim - Attractiveness, Generate and change Your Sim attraction, as @Vengeance_11 said. You can set his sexual preferences (homo, heterosexual, bi), age, hairs, eyes et cetera.  Looks like Your Sim right now prefers male oldies with gray hair.

I changed my Sims their preferences and they reacted like "OMG, this is the ONE" but then they ignored each other. I thought, that they will start to chat or even flirt like in TS2.

so my question is: are Turbodriver planning to add some kind visible connection between matching Sims in the future?

Right now it is only an information, that this Sim is "hottie", but there are no changes in Sims behaviors.

LOL.  Actually, this was one of the first female characters I've tried to play.  I don't know what it is about females in games.  I just don't like to play them even though I am one.  

Anywho... I saw the selections on the choice wheel, but... and forgive my ignorance on this... I never went farther (even though I could have saved the game had I screwed up).  The choices to me looked like I'd be changing EVERYONE in the game.  Yeah... I know... I should have clicked... just for the heck of it.

But actually, I kinda liked the way things were.  I take autonomy very seriously in this game.  I have always wondered (and yes, I realize these are just computer driven pixel people) if my Sim really likes the person they are with or are they with them because I want them to be with them?  It was the same for the Sim on the receiving end of the romance.  Do they like my Sim because they actually like my Sim or are they just responding as they were programmed to respond?

 

Then came my surprise couple.  Though I made them both and placed them in the world, I always like to let my Sims meet while they are out and about.  If they do they do... if they don't I'll romance someone else.
These two actually met because of Wicked  Whims.  There my Sim sat, in the library, playing chess and waiting for a computer to become available, when in walked my other Sim.  He asked him for sex and from there it was adorable.  After that, not a day went by that the other Sim wasn't calling to hang out at my Sims place... asking my sim to hang out at his place... asking him on a date... and if my Sim went anywhere... there he was.
I did satisfy the whim of asking the other Sim to be his boyfriend, but I was totally shocked a few Sim days later when my Sim proposed all on his own!  I didn't even know they would do that!  (and I have spent an ungodly amount of time playing Sims 3) While I was still reeling over this... the very next day, not 12 hours later, his fiance' shows up at the door and as soon as he is invited in, he proposes to my Sim!  Holy Crap!  I didn't know they'd do that either!!!  

That spoiled me.  That moment right there.  I don't want to choose for my Sims.  I'd much rather have them choose for themselves.  Especially now that I KNOW they DO have their own preferences.  It's a helluvalot more interesting and more of what I wanted to see when playing The Sims.  I don't play the Sims to control life, not really (though, once I DO have an established couple, I turn off the "Autonomy Switch" when they go out in public... just in case), I like watching them do their own things.  For instance, after a hard days work, or to celebrate a promotion, I'll take my Sim(s) to a nightclub and just sit back and smoke a cigarette and watch them enjoy themselves without my interference.

Turbodriver, the wonderful, generous creator of Wicked Whims and all of the participating animators, are not my complaint... heck, they give my Sims more fun and realistic things to do (though, I would like to see someone allow them to get drunk... Sims Medieval was hilarious with that).  It is just that I have discovered a whole new area of autonomy with the Sims that I'd now like to keep pure.

So... I suppose there is a way to turn the Attractiveness off?  I'd be open to that and I know that what the Turbo giveth, he also allows to taketh away... I suppose I could give it another go.  I DO like the idea of having a memory of favorite animations in favorite areas.  They attract way too much attention when they have sex on the front porch.  

[trickster37]

35 minutes ago, Kadavera said:

LOL.  Actually, this was one of the first female characters I've tried to play.  I don't know what it is about females in games.  I just don't like to play them even though I am one.  

Anywho... I saw the selections on the choice wheel, but... and forgive my ignorance on this... I never went farther (even though I could have saved the game had I screwed up).  The choices to me looked like I'd be changing EVERYONE in the game.  Yeah... I know... I should have clicked... just for the heck of it.

But actually, I kinda liked the way things were.  I take autonomy very seriously in this game.  I have always wondered (and yes, I realize these are just computer driven pixel people) if my Sim really likes the person they are with or are they with them because I want them to be with them?  It was the same for the Sim on the receiving end of the romance.  Do they like my Sim because they actually like my Sim or are they just responding as they were programmed to respond?

 

Then came my surprise couple.  Though I made them both and placed them in the world, I always like to let my Sims meet while they are out and about.  If they do they do... if they don't I'll romance someone else.
These two actually met because of Wicked  Whims.  There my Sim sat, in the library, playing chess and waiting for a computer to become available, when in walked my other Sim.  He asked him for sex and from there it was adorable.  After that, not a day went by that the other Sim wasn't calling to hang out at my Sims place... asking my sim to hang out at his place... asking him on a date... and if my Sim went anywhere... there he was.
I did satisfy the whim of asking the other Sim to be his boyfriend, but I was totally shocked a few Sim days later when my Sim proposed all on his own!  I didn't even know they would do that!  (and I have spent an ungodly amount of time playing Sims 3) While I was still reeling over this... the very next day, not 12 hours later, his fiance' shows up at the door and as soon as he is invited in, he proposes to my Sim!  Holy Crap!  I didn't know they'd do that either!!!  

That spoiled me.  That moment right there.  I don't want to choose for my Sims.  I'd much rather have them choose for themselves.  Especially now that I KNOW they DO have their own preferences.  It's a helluvalot more interesting and more of what I wanted to see when playing The Sims.  I don't play the Sims to control life, not really (though, once I DO have an established couple, I turn off the "Autonomy Switch" when they go out in public... just in case), I like watching them do their own things.  For instance, after a hard days work, or to celebrate a promotion, I'll take my Sim(s) to a nightclub and just sit back and smoke a cigarette and watch them enjoy themselves without my interference.

Turbodriver, the wonderful, generous creator of Wicked Whims and all of the participating animators, are not my complaint... heck, they give my Sims more fun and realistic things to do (though, I would like to see someone allow them to get drunk... Sims Medieval was hilarious with that).  It is just that I have discovered a whole new area of autonomy with the Sims that I'd now like to keep pure.

So... I suppose there is a way to turn the Attractiveness off?  I'd be open to that and I know that what the Turbo giveth, he also allows to taketh away... I suppose I could give it another go.  I DO like the idea of having a memory of favorite animations in favorite areas.  They attract way too much attention when they have sex on the front porch.  

There is a check box in settings to turn attractiveness off...

[Valancy]

@Kadavera 

omg, what a long post!

Sorry for my mistakes, I think I made a lot!

 

I think I understand You. I started with The Sims with part 2 some years ago. I know this franchise since part 1, but never really play The Sims (I prefer MMORPG games). I discovered attraction system and I read a lot about it. 

My favorite story: two families, two kids in separate houses (or apartments) - sometimes they do not know each other, sometimes they were friends, or sometimes even enemies. There was situation, when the girl hates boy and he likes her (in part 2 it was possible without cheats, it was against my will! He likes to give her "noogie" when he saw her and this interaction give +friendly for "giver" and -friendly for a victim. It was very funny, when he wanted to chat with her and she wanted to beat him). They had highest chemistry, everything: zodiacs, aspirations, turns ons matched perfectly. And then I started to flirt with one of them (in part 2 the player must initiate romantic behavior) and for example, when they lived in one student house the boy in almost every free will moment run to this one girl to chat and when she sleeps he went to her room and watched the picture on the wall. As a pair they were "inseparable". Funny thing - when one of my "matching Sims" outside meets someone interesting, they had a wish "call to wife", ""chat with husband", "flirt with wife"...

It TS4 I am never sure, that my Sims matching good. I agree with You, that they do have preferences but I don't know why. Usually I using "risqué question" to check the Sims - sometimes they answer positively in the first moment! (My favorite male Sim have strange connection with Jade Rosa in every game! Now I just throw her away before I start to play him, because always he and she starts flirting automatically! And he welcomed her with this passionate kiss from flirty moodlet). Sometimes the "pink bar" starts immediately and runs fast, sometimes this could be very slow process...

And, like You, I have to be sure. I'm playing males right now maybe because I identified with females and for me this is sad when I don't see any "connection" between my pairs. Maybe I want too much, but simple, old TS2 system was perfect for me. And I want MY Sims do be in love, not my Sim and the townie.

Romances in TS4 are awful! No true challenge, in flirty mood You can marry the Sims in couple of minutes. 

I dream about system like TS2 in TS4 and I don't know why there is such a mess in relationships in part 4!p

As I said, right now I don't see any visible changes in my Sims behaviors and I'm little disappointed.

 

As Your problems witch Attractiveness System You can always set the attraction based on existing relationship.

[Kadavera]

@Valancy

The only Sims 2 experience I had was with Sims 2 Pets.  Because it was a stand-alone sort of game I thought it'd give me a good idea of how the Sims worked before I got sucked into buying a game that wanted me to keep buying it in bits and pieces.  Let me tell you... the frustration I had in that game of trying to keep up with my Sims needs while having to replace furniture from cats and fill in holes from dogs, give everybody daily baths while neighbors visited just to hang out in bathrooms... well... at least there were gardeners to help water the plants.

Next came Sims Medieval.  OMG.  If it wasn't for Sims Medieval I'd have never played another Sims game.  It gave me quests and stories and it was hilarious at times.  I liked being able to look into every building and see what everyone else was doing (even watch my other characters) as the Sim I was playing went into a long lasting rabbithole.

 

Then came Sims 3.  I have played that for over 7500 hours.  I was playing it right up 'til Sims 4 became free back in May.  That game, though it lacked gardeners, and the ability to peek into other Sims's houses... had me hooked.  I like a game that entertains and makes me laugh.  There was never a dull moment for me in Sims 3.  Even in all those hours.  Just about the time I thought I had seen it all, they'd do something else unexpected and hysterical.  I was in awe of how much time must have been put into programming  and adding scenarios to the game that made it seem more like real life than I could have ever imagined.  But even there... no one autonomously asked anyone to go steady, no unexpected proposals and no elopements.  I DID have one character there that I swore had more intelligence and personality than a pixel person ought to and figured that if anyone would do stuff out of the ordinary, it would be him.  He did do a good job letting his intentions be known even if the game didn't allow for spontaneous proposals.

Sims 4.  Hmmmm.  I've played it now for almost 1100 hours and while I do like some things about it, I am disappointed.  If it wasn't for MCCC and Wicked Whims, I'd probably be back playing Sims 3 no matter how long it takes to load the darned game.  Sims 4 isn't as entertaining, nor does it make me laugh near as much.  I haven't gotten much more than one expansion, a couple game packs and a few stuff packs.  I'm not all that eager to invest money in a game that has been such a disappointment.

So in a game where one of the only highlights were those two Sims falling in love with each other at first sight and taking the romance out of my hands, you can see my reluctance to add anything to the game that would take that element out.  It's the first glimmer of an intelligent, autonomous personality I have seen in 1100 hours of play.  I get why Turbo added the attraction system.  I imagine that not too many folks have been as fortunate as to have two Sims connect so well, and believe me, had they not done so, I would be absolutely thrilled at this new attraction system and would use it with appreciation.  But now this one unexpected, autonomous pairing has happened... I'd kinda like to explore it and find out if it can happen again... on it's own... without my help or the help of a mod.

 

[Kadavera]

@Valancy

 

I am thrilled to announce that if you turn off the Attraction in Settings as @trickster37 suggested above, your existing Sims relationships aren't affected by it at all!

 

Shout out to Motherlodesims for the animation that made this pic possible.

 

 

[sluttysim804]

@Kadavera where are the settings located to turn off this darn mod? Its driving me crazy & I've looked everywhere for the off switch/checkbox. 

[Kadavera]

@sluttysim804 I am so sorry this has taken me so long to answer, but I haven't been back in here in a while. 

How you turn it off is to click on the floor/ground... click on the "Wicked..." selection... then click on "Settings..." then click on "Relationship Settings."  You'll see the "Attractiveness Settings."  Click on that and you can de-select (is that even a word?) the three boxes there and "poof" your problem can be solved!

[DesertDancer]

While not perfect and need to mess around with the ww setting; but it is interesting when it comes to who they find attractive. Currently my female sim likes other girls, apparently older women which was so much different than the last game.

 

I just wish it counted actual/current couples somehow. I like the idea of a chemistry system like in Sims 2; but it needs some fine tuning.