Questions about Joburg

[Squeeze]

Hi everyone!

I'm currently having a lot of confusion with both Lovers Joburg and the Russian edition (and no I'm not running them both at the same time). My problem is, I'm trying my hardest to get the npcs to stalk and rape each other, but it seems like no matter what I do, they are completely unresponsive unless its the Men raping the Women or EVERYBODY is trying to rape me.

 

I've read the menu tutorials and all, but with bot Joburg and the russian edition it only responds to Men raping everyone or everyone raping me. Again what I'm aiming for is a world where women are constantly dominating and raping the men. I turned up female rapists to 5.00 and i turned female victims to 0.00 while male victims are at 5.00 with a male rapist of 0.00.

 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

[gregathit]

Bump females raping males to 30 or higher and you will see stalking increase dramatically.

 

Be careful of the russian edition as it may have the terms labeled wrong. The setting you think you are doing one thing is actually doing another.

[Sarnaath]

I played around with some settings in my game. With RaperS chaos mode enabled (men at risk of being raped by women, and women: none) I got inconsistent results no matter what my Joburg settings were. Sometimes women were raping men, sometimes the opposite (I could tell because the victim asked for help), and other times I just found the couple in the middle of sex and did not know what caused it (but the woman was always receiving in such instances).

 

Later, I did notice that upon changing Joburg settings it took a few minutes for the old settings to fade away (i.e. I still got one or two attacks consistent with the old settings before getting attacks consistent with the new settings). This might have screwed up my observations with RaperS chaos mode.

 

Anyways, I disabled chaos mode in RaperS and set Joburg, Advanced, Active setting to On, lewdness to 50. Attacker levels didn't seem to matter. Libido: Men -> Women at 2.00 consistently produced woman raping men (women always the attacker w/futa, option on in my game, and from occasional plea for help from male victim and blue flashing light around the victim). With Women -> Men it was always men raping women. Active mode increases the load on your system, I don't normally run Joburg in active mode. I only used it here to figure out whether I had the right setting.

 

As gregathit mentioned, be sure you have your settings right, with Joburg 1.17 it's [victim] -> [attacker], which is rather unintuitive IMO. Setting Attacker Level, Leader to 0 means my PC never gets attacked. I'm not sure how RaperS chaos mode and Joburg interact. If you have RaperS pay attention to those settings too.

[gregathit]

RaperS - is for raping during combat and has absolutely nothing to do with Joburg and stalking.

[Sarnaath]

I thought I read here that RaperS chaos mode "activated" Joburg. I must have been mistaken.

[gregathit]

I thought I read here that RaperS chaos mode "activated" Joburg. I must have been mistaken.

 

No, you probably did read it here and more than likely I was the dumbass that said it. I was painfully educated on the fact that the two are completely separate. I never claimed to know everything....

[Sarnaath]

Ah. I guess I didn't pick that up. Thanks for clarifying.

[Squeeze]

Well, After reading these responses and changing the settings it seems to work to an extent. They seem to only force female to male which is what I was aiming for, however I still sense a disconnect between the way the game treats the NPCs versus me.

 

For instance, if I set it to Debug, almost there is an instantaneous crowd of stalkers sneaking at me, yet they ALL ignore each other. As long as I am in the category for Joburgs targets, everyone prioritizes my Player Character over anyone else.

 

When I have the settings on Female on Male only, the instances of sex occur pretty irregularly compared to when they're stalking me.

 

One more problem I'm having is that t seems like they only initiate sex when they begin talking to each other. I keep looking for NPCS stalking each other and pushing them to the ground. Is this possible with Joburg or are stalkers only compatible with the PC?

[gregathit]

Most of the time the stalking is after the PC. They will bonk each other but it is more rare.

 

If for example you are playing as a male PC and you turn off or "way down" anyone stalking males and crank up the settings for creatures\males to stalk females then you will see more female NPC's getting targeted. The problem lies when the PC happens to be in one of the cranked up settings groups - then the PC becomes the preferred target.

[Squeeze]

Most of the time the stalking is after the PC. They will bonk each other but it is more rare.

 

If for example you are playing as a male PC and you turn off or "way down" anyone stalking males and crank up the settings for creatures\males to stalk females then you will see more female NPC's getting targeted. The problem lies when the PC happens to be in one of the cranked up settings groups - then the PC becomes the preferred target.

 

Oh well that explains the unfair attention. I don't suppose you would know if anyone has made an edited version of Joburg where the PC is not the center of attention?

 

Thanks for your help by the way!

[gregathit]

No, I have never heard of any such altered version of Joburg. The PC being the primary target may not be a "joburg" issue. Remember that most everything in the game tends to target the PC.

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No' date=' I have never heard of any such altered version of Joburg. The PC being the primary target may not be a "joburg" issue. Remember that most everything in the game tends to target the PC.

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Gotcha. Maybe its time I try to learn my way around Lovers and make this happen.

[Squeeze]

Alright, now I'm having another issue. Though Joburg is working it seems that now LoversRaperS is screwing up. At first I suppose i messed up joburg again because once sex initiated it would tell me that "Lovers could not locate an actor for sex" and teleported me to other places. Then after reading up I repaired all NPCs through the lovers settings spell. Now joburg works great. But it seems that combat rape is broken, because whenever I initiate a rape, the following happens.

 

1. I beat an NPC to the point where it can be forced.

 

2. I cast Rape(contact)

 

3. I get a message saying "You've lost x amount of gold"

 

4. My character goes through the recieving end animation (I get raped)

 

5. The enemy I tried to rape stands around or walks away while I'm playing the animation of ME getting raped even though I initiated.

 

I've also tried a clean save by disabling all lovers plugins, saving and then re installing all lovers plug ins.

 

Again I'm thankful for any advice.

 

(EDIT): I should also mention that when my characters health goes below the set threshold and an enemy initiates rape it works completely fine. So I can get raped but when I initiate everything seems to break.

[gregathit]

Sounds like you are running a custom version of RaperS.

 

Which one are you using?

[Squeeze]

To be honest I've switched the .esp a couple of times. I tried the russian edition, then disabled and replaced it with the roleplaying edition. Recently after not wanting to lose everything whenever it happened I switched to the standard LoversRaperS.esp found in the lovers downloads section.

 

I can probably already guess this is a result of 3 different raperS.esp overwrites.

[gregathit]

It very well could be. Try using the non-armor drop\gold stealing version of RaperS (it is the bottom file). You "may" need to make a clean save prior to using it just to clear out any junk coding from your existing save game.

[Squeeze]

It very well could be. Try using the non-armor drop\gold stealing version of RaperS (it is the bottom file). You "may" need to make a clean save prior to using it just to clear out any junk coding from your existing save game.

 

Alright after toying around a bit I have found a few oddities. I screencapped them so I could better express them.

 

So here we go. Exhibit A' date=' I have had my HP lowered by an enemy enough to be forced. The Bandit initiates. As you can see, all is well, aside from the grammatically incorrect statement about raping to rape but I'm sure that's the same for everyone.

 

 

[img']http://www.iaza.com/work/121201C/iaza14809956483100.jpg[/img]

 

 

 

Next image is what happens when I initiate rape(contact)

My character is on the ground going through the animation. The bandit has cast invisibility and is just waltzing around the cave like nothings happening.

 

 

 

 

So I cast repair all and the same things happen. The next step was to create a clean save. I went into OBMM and unchecked all lovers plugins whether they were .esm or .esp. Once I had created what I think is a clean save (correct me if I'm wrong) I launched the game and tried to make a save without the lovers plugins. After loading, about every 4 seconds I get this same message. Once I load up the plugins again it does not show but I can assure you the plugins are all disabled.

 

 

 

 

 

I feel like this is very strange because all my lovers plugins are gone. So if my plugins are gone then why is the game still referencing LoversPK!? This obviously has me thinking that along with settings from previous files, even when I have my plugins disabled it thinks they're still there. The problem is I have no idea what is causing this.

[gregathit]

Ok, first let's see your load order.

 

Second, if you disabled all lovers with pk esp and esm files then the only way they can give that error is if you built a bashed patch with them inside it (which is a no, no).

 

Now if you accidentally forgot to uncheck the lovers with pk.esm then you would also have that message (or the creatures esm).

 

Finally, yes, disabling all lovers esm\esp files and then starting the game and making a new save is the way to make a "clean save".

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Second' date=' if you disabled all lovers with pk esp and esm files then the only way they can give that error is if you built a bashed patch with them inside it (which is a no, no).

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Yup. I bashed it all. *sigh*

 

Is there an easy fix Or do I need to start over?

 

But just incase you'd still need my load order, is there an easier way that screencapping OBMM? Because I'd have to upload about 4 pages. Maybe a text file somewhere with the load order on it?

 

EDIT: It may help if you know that I am no longer using any mods that required my Bash in the first place. If there was a way to make it forget the bash then it would not effect my game.

[gregathit]

The easy fix is to disable all your lovers esp\esm files and just rebuild your bashed patch via Wrye. Not a big deal since you have your lovers stuff disabled already.

 

In the future don't include lovers files (the only exception is the sexual organs plugins) in your bashed patch as it can break their scripting.

 

You don't screen cap anything. You can get your load order via OBMM or Wrye Bash by following the instructions in this post: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6133

It just takes a few mouse clicks and a simple copy\paste and you can post your load order. Please do use spoiler codes for posting load orders (spoiler code is in the above link).

 

If you don't need your bashed patch then just disable it (don't delete it as you may need it in the future and you can just rebuild it).

[Squeeze]

Okay, I am going to attempt to rebuild a bash. (I had uninstalled Wrye bash somewhere along the way.)

 

in the meantime, here is my load order:

 

 

Oblivion.esm

Lovers with PK.esm

LoversCreature.esm

CM Partners.esm

Abriael_Human.esm

wolfzqraceEV85.esm

wolfzqcustom85EV.esm

Oblivion Vwalk.esp

xeoex.esp

xeoex Vwalk.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk.esp

DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS.esp

the punished girlbox.esp

Crowded Cities 15.esp

Crowded Cities 15 Vwalk.esp

Crowded Roads Advanced.esp

Crowded Roads Advanced Vwalk.esp

Crowded Roads Advanced less crowded Vwalk.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp

Dynasty.esp

homura outfit HGEC.esp

CB Stylish Outfit.esp

DMRA Stock Robe Replacer.esp

DMRA Stock Armor Skimpy.esp

DMRA Skimpy Armor Expanded.esp

Edhildils Seductive Poison Armors.esp

R18PN - Eisen Platte Armor.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen Vwalk.esp

DMwardropemerged.esp

DMwardropemergednoenchant.esp

Abriael_Human.esp

Guardians of the Nine - Akatosh Chantry.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp

Knights.esp

Knights Vwalk.esp

EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp

QuietFeet.esp

Colourwheels Sexy Imperial Legion.esp

Colourwheels Sexy Imperial Legion Vwalk.esp

EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp

LoversFSE.esp

LoversDRader.esp

LoversRaperS.esp

LoversJoburg.esp

Lovers with PK.esp

LoversBitch.esp

LoversCreature.esp

LoversHelpRapeVPlayer.esp

LoversSlaveTrader.esp

Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp

SetBody.esp

CTAddPose_Pinups.esp

CTAddPose_Pinups_2.esp

CTAddPose_Pinups_3.esp

CTAddPose_Halo.esp

77_Umpa_Sexy_walk.esp

Chain it!.esp

NaRae Pose - 01.esp

NaRae Pose - 01 Guide Book.esp

The Uguu Poser.esp

zzEstrus.esp

CM Partners.esp

Moonshadow Elves - NoSc.esp

SuccubusRace.esp

CM Partners Vwalk.esp

CM Partners Special NPCs.esp

CM Partners Special NPCs Vwalk.esp

CM Partners NPC.esp

CM Partners NPC Vwalk.esp

CM Partners More NPCs.esp

CM Partners More NPCs Vwalk.esp

CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp

CM Partners Marker NPCs Vwalk.esp

CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp

CM Partners Extra NPCs Vwalk.esp

CM Partner Sheela.esp

Dremora Females.esp

EVE_KhajiitFix.esp

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

LCG_Alexia.esp

ZAZHorseRidesYou.esp

Colourwheels Sexy & extremely short dress.esp

wolfzqmylover85EV.esp

wolfzqcursed85EV.esp

wolfzqTentacle85EV.esp

HGEC Latex Ninja Armor V1.1.esp

CMSuccubusSS&L.esp

DMRA BBB Total Replacer Compilation.esp

remake.esp

DMRAdarklightmithrilarmor.esp

Flame Atronach Armor.esp

Edhildils Distraction Armors.esp

 

 

 

Thanks again for all your help. You really know your stuff!

[gregathit]

Ok, right off the bat: You can't run lovers with PK plugins and Cursed ones at the same time. If you want use lovers plugins you have to disable these:

wolfzqraceEV85.esm

wolfzqcustom85EV.esm

wolfzqmylover85EV.esp

wolfzqcursed85EV.esp

wolfzqTentacle85EV.esp

 

Next, these two MUST be at the bottom of your load order if you want to use lovers plugins:

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

Disable and delete this: Crowded Roads Advanced less crowded Vwalk.esp

You are not using that version of crowded roads at this time so you don't need it.

 

Make sure you turn off the BU function of zzEstrus.esp if you are using the latest version of it (19.x) as it will interfere with lovers with pk animations.

[Squeeze]

I have unchecked all those files and moved the two lovers .esps to the very bottom. I have also rebuilt a bash that does not included lovers. At the moment, with a clean save I can be forced perfectly fine just as it was meant to. However the same thin happens when I initiate, where the enemy just runs off while my character plays a lovers animation. I am going to re install the old loversraperS.esp packages that I had (Roleplaying and extended) and I will disable them all within their own respective menus, then return to the standard LoversraperS.esp and see what that does.

[gregathit]

Did you disable the BU function from the zzEstrus plugin? As I said, that can mess up the lovers animations.

 

Installing different versions of RaperS isn't going to fix this. We need to find what other mod is messing with lovers.

[Squeeze]

Did you disable the BU function from the zzEstrus plugin? As I said' date=' that can mess up the lovers animations.

 

Installing different versions of RaperS isn't going to fix this. We need to find what other mod is messing with lovers.

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I have completely taken zzEstrus out of the plug ins but I am getting the same results. The reason why I was thinking about different versions was because I am still having my armor put into my inventory after my character has been forced. Is that a feature of the original LoversraperS?

 

EDIT: OK, I have found a fix, although it frankly sucks.

 

I started a new game and everything works perfectly. I'm going to go back and load different saves until it stops working, in which case I'm going to have to restart from there.

 

Hopefully I haven't lost too many hours of game play. Thank you for all your knowledge and help. I would not have figured this out without it.