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I'm not new to Skyrim modding but I've always had trouble troubleshooting, and remodding recently has been no different. I've used a guide but even now once all the plugins start to load in and start their scripts, usually about 1-4 minutes later my game crashes, no matter what. It seems to crash quicker when trying to adjust my settings in MCM, or sleeping in the bed in LAL start. The longest I've been able to play is a few minutes after basically using unlock to open the jail cell and fight through the mobs. Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

 

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Active Mod Files:

•  00 Skyrim.esm

•  01 Update.esm

•  02 Dawnguard.esm

•  03 Hearthfires.esm

•  04 Dragonborn.esm

•  05 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp [Version 4.1.6]

•  06 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm

•  07 AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl [Version 1.0.10]

•  08 Sneak Tools.esp

•  09 ApachiiHair.esm

•  0A ApachiiHairMales.esm

•  0B ApachiiHairFemales.esm

•  0C CBBE.esl

•  0D Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

•  0E MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm

•  0F TravellersOfSkyrim.esm

•  10 SkyUI_SE.esp

•  11 LSFX-SSE-Audiosettings.esp

•  12 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

•  13 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

•  14 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

•  15 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

•  16 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

•  17 dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp

•  18 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

•  19 ELFX - Exteriors.esp

•  1A Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp

•  1B Cutting Room Floor.esp [Version 3.1.0]

•  1C MoonAndStar_MAS.esp

•  1D Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

•  1E BetterQuestObjectives.esp

•  1F EmbersHD.esp

•  20 Endgame NPC Overhaul.esp

•  21 CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp

•  22 GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp

•  23 tpos_ultimate_esm.esp

•  24 You Hunger.esp

•  25 Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp

•  26 SOTFull.esp

•  27 Snazzy Furniture and Clutter Overhaul.esp

•  28 JBMod - ELFX3 Patch.esp

•  29 Vivid WeathersSE.esp

•  2A IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

•  2B Skysan_Icicle.esp

•  2C GreatWarSkyrim.esp

•  2D PCE - ELFX PATCH.esp

•  2E tpos_crf_patch_01.esp

•  2F Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

•  30 Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp

•  31 EconomyOverhaulandSpeechcraftImprovements.esp

•  32 Potions.esp

•  33 Populated Skyrim Legendary.esp

•  34 OBIS SE.esp

•  35 DwemerColosseum.esp

•  36 tpos_legacyofthedragonborn_patch_01.esp

•  37 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

•  38 BirdsOfSkyrim_SSE.esp

•  39 SOTFollowMeAndSwimToo.esp

•  3A Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

•  3B HearthfireMultiKid.esp

•  3C FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

•  3D Diversity - An NPC Overhaul.esp

•  3E QaxeQuestorium.esp

•  3F PCE - SFCO Patch.esp

•  40 MajesticMountains_Moss.esp

•  41 TKAA.esp

•  42 SOTGenesisMod.esp

•  43 Immersive Music Replacer.esp

•  44 BirdsAndFlocks_SSE.esp

•  45 ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp

•  46 Dwarfsphere.esp [Version 1.05]

•  47 Incaendo_IsengravBarrow.esp

•  48 Cloaks.esp

•  49 SPTConsistentOlderPeopleSE.esp [Version 4.1]

•  4A OpulentOutfits_2017-SSE Replacer.esp

•  4B Combat Evolved.esp

•  4C Immersive Weapons.esp

•  4D fallentreebridgesSSE.esp

•  4E WindstadMine.esp

•  4F HopesabandonSSE 1.1.esp

•  50 Immersive Patrols II.esp

•  51 SofiaFollower.esp

•  52 Hold Riders.esp

•  53 Vigilant.esp

•  54 InsanitySorrow Weapons Pack.esp

•  55 MoreWerewolves.esp

•  56 iNeed.esp

•  57 Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP.esp

•  58 SFCO - CRF Patch.esp

•  59 notice board.esp

•  5A SpellResearch.esp

•  5B LostTreasures.esp

•  5C Insects Begone - Spiders and Chaurus.esp

•  5D Spellsword.esp

•  5E SFCO - ELFX Patch.esp

•  5F PCE - USSEP+CRF Patch.esp

•  60 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

•  61 Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp

•  62 Cloaks of the Nords for Guards.esp

•  63 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

•  64 AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

•  65 Differently Ebony.esp

•  66 LTAJC_LightElvenArmor.esp

•  67 Skysan_GlassAW.esp

•  68 Skysan_Stalhrim.esp

•  69 zzArmormashups.esp

•  6A IW_Diversity_Patch.esp

•  6B USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp

•  6C SFCO - Multiple Adoptions Patch.esp

•  6D Unique Uniques.esp [Version 1.8]

•  6E Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

•  6F Black Mage Armor SE.esp [Version 1.02]

•  70 Vigilant Voiced.esp

•  71 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp [Version 2.0]

•  72 Dawnguard Delayed - Level 20.esp

•  73 Dragonborn Delayed - After Alduin's Bane.esp

•  74 No Vampire Cure on Rumors.esp

•  75 BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp

•  76 BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp

•  77 BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp

•  78 Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp

•  79 50 More Perk Points.esp

•  7A MoonAndStar_ImmersionPatch.esp

•  7B INFERNAL FLAME.esp

•  7C GreatWarSkyrimDGPatch.esp

•  7D HoldBorderBanners.esp

•  7E OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp

•  7F My Home Is Your Home.esp

•  80 The_Sinister_Seven.esp

•  81 Forge Water Fix - CRF Patch.esp

•  82 PCE - Marked Droppable Barenziah Stones.esp

•  83 PCE - USSEP Patch.esp

•  84 AMatterOfTime.esp [Version 2.00]

•  85 AHZmoreHUD.esp [Version 3.6.1]

•  86 iHUD.esp

•  87 UIExtensions.esp

•  88 AddItemMenuSE.esp

•  89 Simple AUA.esp

•  8A TES5SE NPCs Travel.esp

•  8B TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp

•  8C TravellersOfSkyrim - Dragonborn Addon.esp

•  8D Draw!!.esp

•  8E JBMod.esp

•  8F Shields of the Holds.esp

•  90 JaxonzRenamer.esp

•  91 Animallica.esp

•  92 Insects Begone - Dawnguard - Spiders and Chaurus.esp

•  93 Insects Begone - DragonBorn Spiders and Ashoppers.esp

•  94 Genesis Surface Spawns.esp

•  95 EconomyOverhaulandEBQOPatch.esp

•  96 Bounty Gold.esp [Version 1.0]

•  97 BloodmoonRising.esp

•  98 EconomyOverhaulandCuttingRoomFloorPatch.esp

•  99 OBIS SE - SoT Bandit Patch.esp

•  9A OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp

•  9B OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp

•  9C DeadlyCombat.esp

•  9D Mortal Enemies.esp

•  9E KS Dragon Overhaul.esp

•  9F DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp

•  A0 DarkerNights.esp

•  A1 LeftHandRings.esp

•  A2 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp

•  A3 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp

•  A4 Cutting Room Floor TKAA Patch.esp

•  A5 HearthfireMultiKid TKAA Patch.esp

•  A6 LegacyoftheDragonborn TKAA Patch.esp

•  A7 RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp

•  A8 ArcheryV2.esp [Version 2.5]

•  A9 Order My Items.esp

•  AA AdjustedShoutCooldowns_DV.esp

•  AB VioLens SE.esp [Version 2.2]

•  AC TrueArmor.esp

•  AD NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp

•  AE Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp

•  AF Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp

•  B0 sandboxcylinderheight.esp

•  B1 RealisticSpeedMovementWalkingSE.esp

•  B2 FNIS.esp

•  B3 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

•  B4 Animations.esp

•  B5 SparklesSE.esp

•  B6 RaceMenu.esp

•  B7 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

•  B8 TKDodge.esp

•  B9 SOSRaceMenu.esp

•  BA XPMSE.esp

•  BB RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

•  BC Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp

•  BD Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp

•  BE Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp

•  BF Elegant Beauty Stunning Eyes Remastered.esp

•  C0 Elemental Eyes.esp

•  C1 KS Hairdo's.esp

•  C2 LazyTools.esp

•  C3 Daedric Chainmail - CBBE(SSE)Bodyslide.esp

•  C4 Book of UUNP - Textures.esp

•  C5 ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp

•  C6 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

•  C7 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp

•  C8 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp

•  C9 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

•  CA BlendedRoads.esp

•  CB MajesticMountains.esp

•  CC SunDaytimeNorth_MM_default.esp

•  CD DustEffectsSSE.esp

•  CE Vivid Weathers SE - Classic.esp

•  CF No Vendor or Loot Spells SE.esp

•  D0 No Vendor or Loot Spells SE - Riverwood Trader.esp

•  D1 ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp

•  D2 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp

•  D3 AKA_LeftHandRings_Patch.esp

•  D4 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

•  D5 EconomyOverhaulandOrdinatorPatch.esp

•  D6 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

•  D7 Elemental_Staffs.esp

•  D8 SpellswordApocalypse.esp

•  D9 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

•  DA DeadlyCombat_Ordinator_Patch.esp

•  DB No Vendor or Loot Spells SE - Apocalypse.esp

•  DC Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

•  DD Rigmor.esp

•  DE CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

•  DF CWIELnFXSEPatch.esp

•  E0 SFCO - Immersive College of Winterhold Patch.esp

•  E1 CWICRFSEPatch.esp

•  E2 CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp

•  E3 tpos_immersive_clit_patch_01.esp

•  E4 tpos_crf_ic_fix_patch_01.esp

•  E5 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

•  E6 SFCO - Immersive Citizens Patch.esp

•  E7 PCE - Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch.esp

•  E8 PCE - RDO Patch.esp

•  E9 Realistic AI Detection 2 SE - Medium Interior, Medium Exterior.esp

•  EA RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp

•  EB Bijin_AIO-SV 2018.esp

•  EC CWIOOSEPatchReplacer.esp

•  ED Rigmor TKAA Patch.esp

•  EE Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp

•  EF Wildcat-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp

•  F0 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 4.0.8]

•  F1 SFCO - Alternate Start Patch.esp

•  F2 Alternate Start – New Beginnings.esp

•  F3 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

•  F4 PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp

•  F5 Alternate Start LAL TKAA Patch.esp

•  F6 ELFXEnhancer.esp

•  F7 PCE - ELFXEnhancer Patch.esp

•  F8 Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp

•  F9 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

•  FA RealisticWaterTwo - Needs Mod Patch.esp

•  FB RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp

•  FC RWT - People of Skyrim Patch.esp

•  FD Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp

 

 

Utilities I've used and have installed are Wyre Bash, Resave, TES5Edit, and LOOT, of course. 

 

My latest papyrus files, all crashes. Papyrus.rar

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If I had to guess, there seem to be two types of crash. One possibly connected with capefgrey2 from Cloaks of Skyrim, second one with FPSFixPlugin.dll which is from SSE Fixes. I'd try disabling CoS first and see if it gets any better. It might not be even related in the end but why not try it.. :)

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2 hours ago, Tiress said:

If I had to guess, there seem to be two types of crash. One possibly connected with capefgrey2 from Cloaks of Skyrim, second one with FPSFixPlugin.dll which is from SSE Fixes. I'd try disabling CoS first and see if it gets any better. It might not be even related in the end but why not try it.. :)

I tried disabling both CoS and SSE Fixes, then both using the old save and starting the game. Continued to crash after a few minutes... I'm totally stumped, and it's not like a soft CTD but like a sudden full game closure. Again, here are the crash logs from the incidents. crash.rar

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31 minutes ago, KristalKlear said:

I tried disabling both CoS and SSE Fixes, then both using the old save and starting the game. Continued to crash after a few minutes... I'm totally stumped, and it's not like a soft CTD but like a sudden full game closure. Again, here are the crash logs from the incidents. crash.rar

In all of those cases FPSFixPlugin.dll was loaded. You must've overlooked something.

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2 hours ago, Tiress said:

In all of those cases FPSFixPlugin.dll was loaded. You must've overlooked something.

My bad, there was an instance in both my MO mod folders and my Skyrim directory. Still crashes. Also, do you mind explaining how you know what's causing the crashes and what you look for so I may know what to do in the future? Thanks! ?

 

crash.rar

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18 hours ago, KristalKlear said:

My bad, there was an instance in both my MO mod folders and my Skyrim directory. Still crashes. Also, do you mind explaining how you know what's causing the crashes and what you look for so I may know what to do in the future? Thanks! ?

 

crash.rar

It's not like I knew what's causing it. :D

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To diagnose a crash look at the file, these three are important:
Callstack - the function call stack where topmost is currently executing code, 2nd in list is where the current function was called, 3rd is where that function was called from etc.

Registers - current CPU registers

Stack - what is on the stack memory, closer to the top = more important (more recent stuff)

 

I basically go through the file and look for something familiar or understandable and use it as a hint. So when I see a dds file being mentioned, I start from there and see if disabling it solves the issue. It's often not the cause of the crash, but you have to start somewhere when the rest looks like some weird combination of letters and numbers.

 

What's going on in the game prior to the crash?

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Well, I usually boot Skyrim up through MO2 with SKSE, the game starts, stays on the loading screen for about two minutes until I can start a game or load a save. Then, the game stays in another loading screen for a few minutes, before actually getting in game, probably because of my mods. For this example, I start a new save, and make a character. Keep in mind that I haven't ran into any crashes during character creation. Once I create the character, all my mods start to initialize and do it's thing. I usually go to the LAL statute, choose the scenario where I want to exit the cell, and then promptly do so, all while the mods are loading in still. The last popup (could be delayed, could not) was about Apocalypse and it's leveled lists. I haven't had problems with Apocalypse before, however, I do have quite a few patches for it, including the removal of spell tomes and a patch for it, as well as a patch for Spellsword. Crash_2019_1_10_15-51-9.txt

 

I attempted it again, doing the same steps, noticing that it loaded up on the second loading screen much quicker. This time the last plugin popup was for Wildcats. Also to note, it crashes right after it autosaves, never more than 30 seconds after. I'm super stumped, and probably will try to just systematically go through each plugin, each mod, and make a new character until I find what is crashing my game, however, I still would like to try and troubleshoot before then. Crash_2019_1_10_16-1-2.txt

 

 

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2 hours ago, Tiress said:

I'd definitely let the mods load first before doing anything else, especially with so many mods trying to do it's things at the same time. Wait until there are no messages left and wait another 5 minutes before going to statue.

Gave it a shot, still crashed. Think I'll just clear all my mods and start testing ESPs in batches, see where I crash. I'll update if or not it works!

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Well, long story short, it was Rigmor causing it. I don't understand why, however all I know is that the game would crash almost always after 5 minutes with the ESP running. I probably assume (after a bit of research) that it's a conflict between the initializing of Immersive Armors & Weapons with Rigmor, which a lot of online troubleshooting points it's finger at. Now all I need to do is figure out how to fix this atrocious screen tearing.....

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Yes, that wall of black is supposed to be the sky. ?‍♀️20190111200806_1.jpg.9fb13ddf9c7b0738dc54f45c68b34e62.jpg20190111200817_1.jpg.b45709b280e5057e169754f863ad702c.jpg

 

 

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I had some crashes, too, today and thus came per searching to this topic. In the end it was Rigmor, but not ONLY Rigmor: Disabling either Immersive First Person View v5 or Sexlab 1.63b5 had the same effect; These 3 mods seem to build a CTD triangle when they are all 3 enabled.

Thankfully you found that it was Rigmor (in combination with these mods), because IFPV was the reason for me to finally switch to SSE, and a modded Skyrim without Sexlab... no thanks.

 

EDIT: The author of Rigmor states CTDs when using RoB with immersive armors! Maybe you had that enabled, too? Disabling IA worked for me, as well...

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  • 2 years later...

within my skyrim certian areas like dungeons and specific spots in the overworld make my game crash any help with this would be great
using net framework gives me this to go off of and im really confused
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:25.823] Initializing framework version 12.
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:25.827] Loaded configuration file.
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:25.828] Preparing .NET code hooking.
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:25.832] Loading game library.
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:26.777] Loaded game library for `The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition` (17).
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:26.777] Running game version is 1.5.97.0
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:30.870] Loading plugins.
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:30.870] Path to plugins: "Data\NetScriptFramework\Plugins".
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:30.873] Checking file "ActorLimitPlugin.dll"...
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:30.927] Plugin found and loaded.
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:30.939] Finished loading 1 plugin.
[10 Sep 2021 10:45:30.939] Finished framework initialization.
[10 Sep 2021 10:47:54.917] Unhandled native exception occurred at 0x7FF7664E36C6 (SkyrimSE.exe+1036C6) on thread 4616!

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