forbiddenone Posted October 20, 2012 Posted October 20, 2012 What is the most practical way to get this horrible, embarrassing mess: Oblivion.esm Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm x117race.esm Lovers with PK.esm TamagoClub.esm LoversCreature.esm HiyokoClub.esm Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm Children Of Rourken.esm CLS-ClassyClothes.esm Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm Mart's Monster Mod.esm Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm Armamentarium.esm Kvatch Rebuilt.esm Better Cities Resources.esm BreakUndies.esm BUDungeon.esm UndiesUnderneath.esm Cobl Main.esm FCOM_Convergence.esm Windfall.esm EURN.esp xeosp++.esp Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp UOPS Additional Changes.esp UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp DLCShiveringIsles.esp Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp USIPS Additional Changes.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp Better Cities .esp Hear-Me-Not.esp AddActorValues_example.esp the punished girlbox.esp P1DlookHereYou.esp DLCHorseArmor.esp DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp DLCOrrery.esp DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp DLCVileLair.esp DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp DLCMehrunesRazor.esp DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp DLCSpellTomes.esp DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp VipCxj_HighHeels.esp ArmamentariumTest.esp ArmamentariumVendors.esp CLS-ClassyClothesFactions.esp HentaiDarkLilith.esp LittleCarmine.esp Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp UU_Female_Undies.esp UU_Male_Undies.esp VipCxjHHTest.esp Slof's Horses Base.esp Slof's Extra Horses.esp DLCThievesDen.esp DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp Francesco's Optional Files.esp Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp Mart's Monster Mod for FCOM.esp TIE.esp TIE+Frans NPC Inventory.esp COR-Episode1 Secret of Enourk.esp Kvatch Rebuilt.esp Scribe Supplies.esp VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp DLCBattlehornCastle.esp DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp DLCFrostcrag.esp DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp Knights.esp Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp CHILDREN ANNUAD.esp BUDungeonCore.esp BUDequipment.esp BUDequipmentNA.esp BUEquipsMerge.esp BUDungeonAppend.esp BUDSercen.esp TamagoPlayerHUD.esp TamagoBreak.esp TamagoNews.esp TamagoShop.esp TamagoTopic.esp TamagoConfide.esp TamagoBadEnd.esp LoversTamagoClub.esp LoversHiyokoShooter.esp LoversEncounter.esp HiyokoQuestTarget.esp HiyokoGenetics.esp HiyokoGenerator.esp HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp TamagoSetBody.esp LoversSetBody.esp LoversAphrodisia.esp LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp LoversFSE.esp LoversDRader.esp LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp LoversJealousy.esp LoversBed.esp LoversPayBandit.esp LoversPower.esp LoversContraception.esp LoversNTRburglar.esp Lovers with PK.esp LoversBitch.esp LoversCreature.esp LoversSoundCreature.esp LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp LoversBrothel.esp LoversStopCombatEx.esp LoversSpermSplashEx.esp LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp LoversRapeSlave.esp LoversAdultYield.esp LoversMagic.esp LoversUnicorn.esp LoversSlaveTrader.esp LSTBravilUnderground.esp LoversPayBanditForSlaver.esp LoversImmoralSisters.esp LoversImmoralGuards.esp SetBody.esp Real_Mannequin.esp LoversMB2.esp LoversCalm.esp LoversHudInformation.esp LoversDarkLessons.esp LoversLoveJuice.esp LoversCrowningIsle.esp LoversBackup2.esp LoversLight.esp LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp LoversHideMenus.esp LoversSoulTrap.esp LoversSoundVolumeDown.esp Nudeshy X.esp ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp Alternative Beginnings.esp Unholy Darkness.esp StealthierMagic.esp EnchantmentRestore.esp EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp StolenItemOwnership.esp zzEDialog.esp UChainBeast.esp zzEstrus.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable AGS Hair.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Corean Hair + Saram Hair + AGS Hair.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Corean Hair + Saram Hair.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Corean Hair.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Glow Eyes + Odd Eyes + One Eyed.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Glow Eyes + Odd Eyes.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Glow Eyes.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Odd Eyes + One Eyed.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Odd Eyes.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable One Eyed + Glow Eyes.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable One Eyed.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Saram Hair.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseA00 Hair Modules.esp x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Dialog.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - Sc.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp ChanponSimpleDef.esp x117Race ENG Race.esp Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp Better Cities Full.esp Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp Better Imperial City.esp Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp Francesco's 21 days respawn time.esp TIE Weapon + Armor Filter.esp LST-EURN.esp MONSTERGIRL-ANGELICALLIANCE.esp LoversMusic.esp Sexy Light Blackwood Armor.esp ArcaneWarrior.esp slimfacex105.esp ZAZHorseRidesYou.esp LoversUtilityFunctions.esp zzEstrusCleaner.esp Slof's Extra Horses 2.esp LoversCreatureVoiceForceEnabler.esp RaceCompatibilityForEurn.esp MONSTERGIRL-DEMON HIVE.esp LoversGGBlackmail.esp nudeshyceadb.esp MONSTERGIRL-NECROMANCER MOON.esp MONSTERGIRL-AMAZON.esp LoversWhiteCatCourier.esp LoversSexKariBurne.esp ELSA Passive Females.esp ELSA Surrender or Die.esp nudeshynudejail.esp Cobl Races.esp Cobl Races TNR.esp Cobl Tweaks.esp Cobl Races TNR SI.esp FCOM_Convergence.esp Cobl Si.esp FCOM_Francescos.esp FCOM_WarCry.esp FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp FCOM_NoSpiders.esp FCOM_NoWyverns.esp FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp FCOM_OMGSRT.esp FCOM_OMG.esp FCOM_Cobl.esp FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp FCOM_Archery.esp Cobl Glue.esp Windfall.esp Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp MMM-Cobl.esp Kitsune.esp KitsuneWildFoxes.esp Nudeshy Undergarments.esp ActorsInEmotions.esp LoversGalgatBeastRape.esp Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp Lovers3dorgasm.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp To resemble the example load order here: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6133 ? There are groups of mods that are in the right order, but which are collectively in the wrong position relative to other mods... OBMM doesn't seem to want to let me shift-click or ctrl-click, which leaves me to manually move each one, one-by-one.... which is going to take a kajillion years. BOSS scrambles the order even worse. I suspect that theres some ridiculously easy and obvious solution that I'm missing, but at this point I figure its worth the embarrassment of having it pointed out to me so that I can move on and actually get past the "Bethesda" part of the loading screen . I guess once I get things in the right order, I can start working on seeing what I'm missing (although if you spot any really glaringly obvious things, feel free to chime in).
Guest Posted October 20, 2012 Posted October 20, 2012 Wrye Bash Once you have it installed (install all components), just start it up. You'll see your load order and can then drag around the esps to the order that you want it in.
gregathit Posted October 20, 2012 Posted October 20, 2012 You can help yourself by using the BOSS userlist here: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6350 Now it is not perfect but it will save a bunch of hand sorting. The next thing you need to do is go through your load order with a fine toothed comb and remove all the duplicates: Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Corean Hair + Saram Hair + AGS Hair.esp <--this would remove all the below Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Corean Hair + Saram Hair.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Corean Hair.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Saram Hair.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable AGS Hair.esp Also it is worth noting that generally speaking you need to have plugins that disable things underneath the plugin they are disabling. Double check your readme to see where these plugins should be. Another duplicate example: Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Glow Eyes + Odd Eyes + One Eyed.esp <--this includes all three below Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Glow Eyes.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Odd Eyes.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable One Eyed.esp Further alternatives to the above: Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Glow Eyes + Odd Eyes.esp or Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable Odd Eyes + One Eyed.esp or Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable One Eyed + Glow Eyes.esp Using these examples you should be able to find any others and double check all of your plugins readme files to see what needs to be under what. Cheers, Greg
forbiddenone Posted October 20, 2012 Author Posted October 20, 2012 While I'm at it, should I just plop the bsa files that I occasionally find in mods into my data folder, or do I need to just double click them and install them to the data folder, or both? When I find instructions, they just say to "install" them to the data folder, so I'm guessing I just double click and install them, but I see bsa files in there already, so presumably... Hell, I don't know .
gregathit Posted October 20, 2012 Posted October 20, 2012 A bsa file is something you just drop into Oblivion\data\ If you have done that then you have "installed" it. If you do anything more then you are extracting it and could screw up your game. Now as to the technical side: A bsa file is really just a fancy 7zip compression that is modeled after the way Bethesda released the original game files. It has advantages (like it doesn't overwrite loose file you may already have), and disadvantages (like it could contain files that screw things up or it could be canceled out via your loose files if you archive invalidate via bsa redirection). The advantage vs disadvantages are only a couple of examples. There of course is much more information on the subject but I am guessing that you probably are not interested....
forbiddenone Posted October 20, 2012 Author Posted October 20, 2012 Of course, when you say "could screw up" you mean "could but probably won't, so theres no need to reinstall YET AGAIN and then sort all of this out like an archeologist with one of those tiny brushes" right ? RIGHT? Pretty please say yes....
gregathit Posted October 20, 2012 Posted October 20, 2012 Sure..... Give it a try but if you notice any major oddities then you "may" have to start over. When you extracted the bsa archives (depending on "what" you extracted) you could have overwritten the meshes and textures of other mods. You won't know until you play the game.
forbiddenone Posted October 20, 2012 Author Posted October 20, 2012 ... I guess I can try it one more time... I just need to find the most up-to-date guide to installing the most up to date versions of everything, so that it ALL works together. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX31TZz0ZA0#t=0m07s Thanks for all the help. Oh, and one last thing: What do you see wrong with this: Oblivion.esm Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm x117race.esm Lovers with PK.esm TamagoClub.esm LoversCreature.esm HiyokoClub.esm Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm Children Of Rourken.esm CLS-ClassyClothes.esm Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm Mart's Monster Mod.esm Armamentarium.esm Kvatch Rebuilt.esm Better Cities Resources.esm BreakUndies.esm BUDungeon.esm UndiesUnderneath.esm Cobl Main.esm FCOM_Convergence.esm Windfall.esm EURN.esp xeosp++.esp Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp UOPS Additional Changes.esp Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp DLCShiveringIsles.esp Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp USIPS Additional Changes.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp Better Cities .esp Hear-Me-Not.esp the punished girlbox.esp P1DlookHereYou.esp DLCHorseArmor.esp DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp DLCOrrery.esp DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp DLCVileLair.esp DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp DLCMehrunesRazor.esp DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp DLCSpellTomes.esp DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp VipCxj_HighHeels.esp ArmamentariumTest.esp ArmamentariumVendors.esp CLS-ClassyClothesFactions.esp HentaiDarkLilith.esp LittleCarmine.esp Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp UU_Female_Undies.esp UU_Male_Undies.esp VipCxjHHTest.esp Slof's Horses Base.esp Slof's Extra Horses.esp DLCThievesDen.esp DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp TIE.esp TIE+Frans NPC Inventory.esp COR-Episode1 Secret of Enourk.esp Kvatch Rebuilt.esp Scribe Supplies.esp VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp DLCBattlehornCastle.esp DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp DLCFrostcrag.esp DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp Knights.esp Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp CHILDREN ANNUAD.esp BUDungeonCore.esp BUDequipment.esp BUDequipmentNA.esp BUEquipsMerge.esp BUDungeonAppend.esp BUDSercen.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp ChanponSimpleDef.esp x117Race ENG Race.esp Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp Better Cities Full.esp Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp Better Imperial City.esp Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp Francesco's 21 days respawn time.esp LST-EURN.esp MONSTERGIRL-ANGELICALLIANCE.esp LoversMusic.esp Sexy Light Blackwood Armor.esp ArcaneWarrior.esp slimfacex105.esp ZAZHorseRidesYou.esp LoversUtilityFunctions.esp zzEstrusCleaner.esp Slof's Extra Horses 2.esp LoversCreatureVoiceForceEnabler.esp RaceCompatibilityForEurn.esp MONSTERGIRL-DEMON HIVE.esp LoversGGBlackmail.esp nudeshyceadb.esp MONSTERGIRL-NECROMANCER MOON.esp MONSTERGIRL-AMAZON.esp LoversSexKariBurne.esp ELSA Passive Females.esp ELSA Surrender or Die.esp nudeshynudejail.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp Cobl Races.esp Cobl Races TNR.esp Cobl Races TNR SI.esp FCOM_Convergence.esp Cobl Si.esp FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp FCOM_NoSpiders.esp FCOM_NoWyverns.esp FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp FCOM_Cobl.esp FCOM_Archery.esp Cobl Glue.esp Windfall.esp Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp MMM-Cobl.esp Kitsune.esp KitsuneWildFoxes.esp Nudeshy Undergarments.esp TamagoPlayerHUD.esp TamagoBreak.esp TamagoNews.esp TamagoShop.esp TamagoTopic.esp TamagoConfide.esp TamagoBadEnd.esp LoversTamagoClub.esp LoversHiyokoShooter.esp LoversEncounter.esp HiyokoQuestTarget.esp HiyokoGenetics.esp HiyokoGenerator.esp HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp TamagoSetBody.esp LoversSetBody.esp LoversAphrodisia.esp LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp LoversFSE.esp LoversDRader.esp LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp LoversJealousy.esp LoversBed.esp LoversPayBandit.esp LoversPower.esp LoversContraception.esp LoversNTRburglar.esp Lovers with PK.esp LoversBitch.esp LoversCreature.esp LoversSoundCreature.esp LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp LoversBrothel.esp LoversStopCombatEx.esp LoversSpermSplashEx.esp LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp LoversRapeSlave.esp LoversAdultYield.esp LoversMagic.esp LoversUnicorn.esp LoversSlaveTrader.esp LSTBravilUnderground.esp LoversPayBanditForSlaver.esp LoversImmoralSisters.esp LoversImmoralGuards.esp SetBody.esp Real_Mannequin.esp LoversCalm.esp LoversHudInformation.esp LoversDarkLessons.esp LoversLoveJuice.esp LoversCrowningIsle.esp LoversBackup2.esp LoversLight.esp LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp LoversHideMenus.esp LoversSoulTrap.esp LoversSoundVolumeDown.esp Nudeshy X.esp ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp Alternative Beginnings.esp Unholy Darkness.esp StealthierMagic.esp EnchantmentRestore.esp EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp StolenItemOwnership.esp zzEDialog.esp UChainBeast.esp zzEstrus.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable AGS Hair.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseA00 Hair Modules.esp x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - Sc.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Dialog.esp LoversWhiteCatCourier.esp ActorsInEmotions.esp LoversGalgatBeastRape.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp LoversMB2.esp Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp Lovers3dorgasm.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp I tried to make it look like the load order in the link as much as I could.... --edit-- I get as far as the main menu, but then when I click new game, I crash during loading. hmm.
gregathit Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Well I don't think you can run these together: EURN.esp xeosp++.esp LST-EURN.esp RaceCompatibilityForEurn.esp Now I could be wrong but these (I know exeoSP++ for sure does) try to change the majority of the vanilla npcs to something different. Having more than one of them active just causes collisions. Go back and read through the readme's to understand what they change to see if they will conflict with one another. Next, these two should never be enabled - they must be included into your bashed patch an left disabled: LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp Check the readme's to see if you were only supposed to use one or the other: SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp same thing: Cobl Races.esp Cobl Races TNR.esp same thing: BUDequipment.esp BUDequipmentNA.esp BUEquipsMerge.esp same thing: LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp LoversDarkLessons.esp <--again I could be wrong but I think this plugin replaced true crime. same thing: MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp Redo the order of your MBP esp files to match the one in this thread: (hint Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp should not be so high up in your load order): http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6133 Additionally, move all of your lovers files (you have some way up in your load order) back down to their proper places (under the Tamago club plugins). If there is one that isn't in the load order of the link I gave just above then put it somewhere after lovers with pk.esp Finally, I see you have a bashed patch but I am guessing you have nothing in it. Fire up wyre bash, disable all lovers esp and esm files and then right click on the bashed patch and choose rebuild your bashed patch. You will then be prompted to merge things and make other choices. This guide can help you through this: http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/35230 The reasons to have a bashed patch are many but boil down to helping you minimize conflicts and have a more stable game.
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