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K, the problem is i wandered into The Sleeping Mare(at Pell's Gate) a couple of days ago, and found it VERY crashy inside. Nearly every time a lovers action starts with the NPC's inside i get a famous C++ popup.

I started digging and found that if i try unequipping an upperbody slot armor from any male NPC inside The Sleeping Mare, crash happens. Females are fine, i can unequip all other clothes/armor parts from males just fine. If i removeitem, then update3d without exiting the console, no crash happens. I also traveled a lot around the world and run a lot of tests. And this crash only happens inside Sleeping Mare.

What could be the cause?


ps: Also, planning to release a little slavetrader addition tomorrow. :P

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And what in my load order can cause crashes when unequipping unenchanted/unscripted vanilla upper armor from three males in The Sleeping Mare?

They all come from "From2ch Lives" btw... But tes4edit says they are regular NPC's with nothibg magic on them. THey have a script, but it only gives some food on OnLoad.



00 Oblivion.esm

01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm

02 Lovers with PK.esm

03 TamagoClub.esm

04 HiyokoClub.esm

05 LoversCreature.esm

06 x117race.esm

07 Chanpon.esm

08 xeorace.esm

09 xeoracex117.esm

0A Xrace.esm

0B MenuSysFramework.esm

0C MathFunctions.esm

0D TamagoPlayerHUDkil.esp

0E LoversBrothel.esp

0F Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [версия 3.4.1]

10 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [версия 1.0.0]

11 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

12 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

13 P1DlookHereYou.esp

14 DLCFrostcrag.esp

15 VipCxj_HighHeels.esp

16 VipCxjHHTest.esp

17 yangyang_hhshoes.esp

18 yangyang_Stockings.esp

19 Knights.esp

1A ShadderHeelsStrapAnkle.esp

1B HTBUnholyChapelShop.esp

1C KDDwemerSpectacles.esp

1D AHIRUs_Glasses_v1.esp

1E PEDress.esp

1F Valus Valorium.esp

20 mamomamo.esp

21 GunnerArmorSet.esp

22 bbClothesFinal.esp

23 MaternityClothes.esp

24 LustyBretonnianMaid.esp

25 Forbidden.esp

26 TamagoNews.esp

27 TamagoTopic.esp

28 TamagoConfide.esp

29 LoversTamagoClub.esp

2A AliveWaters.esp

2B AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp

2C Josef Grey's Natural Starlight.esp

2D LoversHiyokoShooter.esp

2E LoversEncounter.esp

2F HiyokoQuestTarget.esp

30 HiyokoGenetics.esp

++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

31 HiyokoGenerator.esp

32 HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp

33 TamagoSetBody.esp

34 LoversFSE.esp

35 LoversDRader.esp

36 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp

37 LoversHooker.esp [версия 2.2]

38 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp

39 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp

3A LoversVoiceSSPPfix.esp

3B LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp

3C LoversVoiceGHN_TH.esp

3D LoversRaperS.esp

3E LoversJoburg.esp

3F LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp

40 LoversJealousy.esp

41 HumantouchNPC.esp

42 LoversBed.esp

43 FloatingLight.esp

44 LoversContraception.esp

45 RMDailyIncomeV2.esp

46 LoversBiko.esp

47 LoversPrincess.esp

48 LoversCalm.esp

49 Lovers with PK.esp [версия 90]

4A LoversCreature.esp

4B LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp

4C CaptiveMaiden.esp

++ LoversCreatureVoiceForceEnabler.esp

4D LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp

4E LoversSoundCreature.esp [версия 0.1.0]

4F LoversSpermSplashEx.esp

50 LoversRapeSlave.esp

51 LoversSummonRapeman.esp

52 LoversAdultYield.esp

53 LoversMagic.esp

54 LoversUnicorn.esp

55 LoversSlaveTrader.esp

56 LSTBravilUnderground.esp

57 LST-EURN.esp

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp

58 SetBody.esp

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp

++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp

++ x117Race ENG Race.esp

59 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp

5A Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp

5B Chanpon_cha01.esp

5C x117race.esp

5D Lop-ears Elf.esp

5E Crowded Roads Advanced.esp [версия 1.3]

5F DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp

60 AIRrace Evy.esp

61 Colourwheels Sexy Stock Armor & Clothing Replacer.esp


63 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

64 Girlwonderland.esp

65 NPCs.esp

66 xeosp++.esp

67 From2ch Lives.esp

68 F2LMiqoteAddon.esp

69 F2LAddon_MSElves.esp

6A LoversStupidNpc.esp

6B HentaiLovelyHouse.esp

6C Nephs Stock Shoes Real High Heels SI.esp

6D ShadderHeelsSlingback.esp

6E ShadderHeelsPoor.esp

6F BlackHole_Move.esp

70 LoversCrowningIsle.esp

71 LoversPayBanditForSlaver.esp

72 LoversBitch.esp

73 Enchanted Portable Tent.esp [версия 2.21]

74 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [версия 1.34]

75 Dynamic Map.esp [версия 2.1.1]

76 Mixed Maid Uniform.esp

77 Alternate Start Revamped.esp

78 Specialanims.esp

79 diversegrasses.esp

7A Grass Overhaul.esp

7B GrassFix.esp

7C Carry_all_you_want-5118.esp

7D RZWPortableCandles.esp

7E OBGE - Liquid Water.esp

7F No psychic guards v1.2.esp

80 FormID Finder4.esp

81 No_Smiling.esp

82 Create NPC Duplicates - Beta.esp

83 FastTravelDoubleFaceFix.esp

84 F2LHideRaces.esp

85 sitdown.esp

86 FuroGeneratorTrap.esp

87 Broom.esp

88 M&A - No Disposition Decrease.esp

89 SMYB Female Only.esp

8A PlayerSlaveEncounters.esp

8B LoversMB2.esp

8C Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp

8D LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

8E Lovers3dorgasm.esp

8F LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

90 MyClothes.esp

91 kuerteeSilentEquipUnequipClothing.esp

92 PEM_RepairModsIndex.esp

93 SlaveTraderAddon.esp


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Lady is ok for me. Three females from "From2CH Lives" are ok. Tested with removeallitems(most incompatible/mod unfriendly way to do it i think). Only the males crash.

I also tried leaving the Mare and removing those armors remotely from another cell, then i get inside again. No problems at all. I also tried giving another armor to that now nude male, then removing it. Again, no problems now. At the same time those with armors still on are crashing the game.

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Lady is ok for me. Three females from "From2CH Lives" are ok. Tested with removeallitems(most incompatible/mod unfriendly way to do it i think). Only the males crash.

I also tried leaving the Mare and removing those armors remotely from another cell' date=' then i get inside again. No problems at all. I also tried giving another armor to that now nude male, then removing it. Again, no problems now. At the same time those with armors still on are crashing the game.



Which armors do they wear that are crashing things? It could be that the armor(s) don't contain a world model or something along those lines and that is what is causing the crash.


Also looking at your load order I really don't recommend you having any plugins except maybe XeoSP++ below LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

If SlaveTraderAddon.esp is a lovers mod then it probably should be up above LoversMB2.esp so that it doesn't conflict with any of the scripting in the two lovers priority esp files.

Not sure what these are:




but I would seriously consider moving them up in your load order.

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Even if they don't contain any animations\objects they may contain things that alter NPC's and could cause issues. My lovers mods have all been temporarily deactivated while I was testing out the BU armors pack update I assembled, and next I am going to be slowly testing out the most recent versions of some lovers plugins that IceCold29 sent me. While I am doing that I will try to sneak over to the Sleep Mare to see if I can figure out what\how\why you are getting crashes. It probably will be mid week before I get that far. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

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Do you think that "unequipitem", "removeitem" and "removeallitems" can be somehow affected by lovers not ordered properly?

Lovers crash when trying to unequip those armors when sex starts. Same with directly using script commands to unequip those armors

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I had this issue once with the lethal majesty armor.


Root of the problem was a first view skeleton (in detail growlfs 1st view is not compatible with that armor - bone issues - I had to switch to coronerras).

Your problem seems to to comparable. My suggestion would be to look with what skeleton this armor was designed, if the armor was changed by a mod, check if you changed to an uncompatible skeleton or try another skeleton.

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Two of them are wearing vanilla armors, the third one uses the armor from "from2ch lives". I checked, those two are coming straight from vanilla oblivion, all the meshes and textures for them are completely vanilla.

I removed the armor from the third one by going to another cell and using console only. Then i added vanilla steel armor(one of the other two crashy are wearing it) and equipped it on that nude NPC.

Now, they are both standing in front of me, in those steel armors, and i can normally unequip an armor i added and equipped but i crash when i try unequipping the same armor from that other NPC.

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Uriel, when you say they are vanilla armors are you 'certain' that you don't have any replacer armors installed (or loose files in your meshes folder) that are really the source of the problem. As Lilalu stated, if there is a skeleton problem (or just a problem with the nif file) then this could be the root of the issue.


I suggest this because to my understanding, it is specific armor(s) that is causing the problem, right?

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I looked into meshes and textures, there are no replacers installed for those armors.

No, armors is not a problem. As i wrote in my previous post, i can add Steel armor to anyone, and equip/unequip it as long as i want. But an NPC from sleeping mare crashes the game when i(or lovers) unequip his Steel armor.


BTW, SlaveTrader addon i promised. Here it is.

Try it please.


What i've done: i changed those vanilla cuffs LST were adding to the ones without the hand meshes included. Those cuffs are now taking left ring slot only. They leave your slave's hands intact when equipped and are not being unequipped as gloves.

Those cuffs have an attached script, so they are forcing the wearer to use cuffed animations from PlayerSlave(Warning, your slaves can no longer fight for you with cuffs on them!). If you want, you can put them on player too.

I also nifscoped those anims a little, so we have cuffed walkright, walkleft, walkbackwards now.

To see an effect, you will need to enslave someone with the addon installed. It will not affect old slaves.

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But an NPC from sleeping mare crashes the game when i(or lovers) unequip his Steel armor.


Ok, this is starting to make more sense to me now. Which mod does he come from or what are the mods that make changes to him. I assume you have already looked at him in tes4edit to figure this out. I wonder if he has some custom script that tries to prevent him from loosing his armor. Forgive me if you already answered this.

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Three crashing male NPC's are from "from2chLives", there are 3 females from the same mod inside, and they are perfectly fine.

Those males and females have a script on them, but this script only does this:


ScriptName aaaTa22AddFoodScript


Begin OnLoad

If (GetItemCount Potato==0)

AddItem Potato,1



If (GetItemCount Ham==0)

AddItem Ham,1



If (GetItemCount Apple==0)

AddItem Apple,1




So nothing crashy there.

Armors are different. First one is vanilla steel armor, second one is vanilla leather cuirass, third one wears non-vanilla one, but they all know that crash trick.

I can remove, for example, steel cuirass from an npc when i'm in another cell. Than i can go inside, see a nude npc, give him the same steel armor and equip it. It's now the same NPC, with the same armor, but it will not cause a crash anymore.

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