infinite loading with auto save on and freezing when quick save.

[assassin394]

I have this two frustrating problem regarding save system with Oldrim. I have search google to find solution since 2013 but to no avail. If anyone can help me fix this I will send you 10$ steam gift card as a thank you gift.

1. Infinite loading when fast travel/ go through a door that trigger loading screen. This only happend when Auto save feature is on. I already applied skse.ini memory patch and install Safety load mod. .I know a lot of peoples suggested just turn off auto save and use manual save instead. But imagined when you clear through a long dungeon and forgot to manual save then died in combat or the game crash. Or accidentally kill a NPC....etc. There is so many possibility can happend in Bethesda games and forgot to save will result in have to replay through a very long season. So for me auto save/quick save feature is very necessary

2.  Game freezing for 30-60 secs when quick save. This only happen if a quick save file already existed. The game will freeze when it trying to overwrite a old save file. If I delete a quick save and press F5 it will save normaly. After troubleshooting I identify the curpit is XPMSE mod. I asked the mod author about this but he say he didn't have a fix for this and suggest me to install a AutoSave Manager. But that mod didn't fix a problem. The game still infinite loading when travel with auto save on and freezing when quick save.

 

I'm sorry for a wall of text. My english isn't good so I don't know how to explain it more brief.

 

Here is my load order

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  0  0 Skyrim.esm
  1  1 Update.esm
  2  2 Dawnguard.esm
  3  3 HearthFires.esm
  4  4 Dragonborn.esm
  5  5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
  6  6 SGHairPackBase.esm
  7  7 hdtHighHeel.esm
  8  8 SexLab.esm
  9  9 SexLabAroused.esm
 10  a ZaZAnimationPack.esm
 11  b Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 12  c dcc-soulgem-oven-000.esm
 13  d CreatureFramework.esm
 14  e female mannequins in homes.esp
 15  f SkyUI.esp
 16 10 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
 17 11 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
 18 12 dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
 19 13 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
 20 14 SGHairPackAIO.esp
 21 15 MikanEyes All in one.esp
 22 16 SGEyebrows.esp
 23 17 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
 24 18 VioLens.esp
 25 19 ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp
 26 1a posesivecorpses.esp
 27 1b WetandCold.esp
 28 1c KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
 29 1d AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
 30 1e Differently Ebony.esp
 31 1f FNIS_PCEA2.esp
 32 20 RaceMenu.esp
 33 21 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
 34 22 TheCoenaculiUNP.esp
 35 23 BS-TheHag_Overlays.esp
 36 24 AK_RM_PubicStyles_All_In_One.esp
 37 25 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp
 38 26 NightshadeSuit.esp
 39 27 Celes Nightingale Armor.esp
 40 28 CrimsonTwilightArmor.esp
 41 29 Artifact Disenchanting.esp
 42 2a Realistic Boat Bobbing.esp
 43 2b SexLab_Solutions.esp
 44 2c SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp
 45 2d WATER.esp
 46 2e SMIM-Merged-All.esp
 47 2f UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
 48 30 CliffsideCottage.esp
 49 31 AyleidPalaceNEW.esp
 50 32 Immersive Patrols II.esp
 51 33 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
 52 34 Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp
 53 35 Chaconne.esp
 54 36 Merta Black Rose Armor.esp
 55 37 Routa.esp
 56 38 MoreNastyCritters.esp
 57 39 ssapbwk.esp
 58 3a ElysiumEstate.esp
 59 3b Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp
 60 3c Artifact Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp
 61 3d female mannequins.esp
 62 3e TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp
 63 3f FalmerBikini.esp
 64 40 KatanaCrafting.esp
 65 41 Fudou Myouou.esp
 66 42 Convenient Horses.esp
 67 43 Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp
 68 44 FreckleMania.esp
 69 45 Gwelda Red Riding Hood.esp
 70 46 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
 71 47 Serana.esp
 72 48 Customizable Camera.esp
 73 49 DovahBlingJewelryReplacer.esp
 74 4a DibellasCompulsion-NudeSpell-1-1.esp
 75 4b Facelight.esp
 76 4c RaceMenuOverlayCompilation - UNP.esp
 77 4d KS Jewelry.esp
 78 4e Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp
 79 4f vAutosaveManager.esp
 80 50 Infinite Gold For Merchants.esp
 81 51 GoToBed.esp
 82 52 Bishu Osafune ju Morikage.esp
 83 53 WT Tribal Clothe.esp
 84 54 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
 85 55 Portable Campsite.esp
 86 56 alcoholiceffect.esp
 87 57 SexLab Eager NPCs.esp
 88 58 Faction Crossbows.esp
 89 59 Hermit.esp
 90 5a Tembtra Thief Armor.esp
 91 5b Dr_Bandolier.esp
 92 5c Merta Assassin Armor.esp
 93 5d Bijin Warmaidens.esp
 94 5e CraftingSupplies_AIO_ALL.esp
 95 5f SteelPlateBikini.esp
 96 60 BVLT - Human.esp
 97 61 BandedIronBikini.esp
 98 62 DragonBoneBikini.esp
 99 63 Gwelda Armor Pack.esp
100 64 Dwarvenbikini.esp
101 65 DragonboneBarbarianArmor.esp
102 66 My Home Is Your Home.esp
103 67 CandlelightToggle10.esp
104 68 SteelBikini.esp
105 69 Wolfbikini.esp
106 6a Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
107 6b HavenBag.esp
108 6c BladesBikini.esp
109 6d Emfy Cleric Robes.esp
110 6e Daedric Reaper Armor.esp
111 6f HDT Piercingsets.esp
112 70 bm_SimpleAction.esp
113 71 Invisibility Cloak.esp
114 72 Brows.esp
115 73 towConversation.esp
116 74 chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp
117 75 AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp
118 76 Animated Dragon Wings.esp
119 77 P1FlyingRing.esp
120 78 CiriOutfit.esp
121 79 KS Hairdo's.esp
122 7a Valerica.esp
123 7b Minerva.esp
124 7c Vivace.esp
125 7d Bijin NPCs.esp
126 7e Bijin Wives.esp
127 7f TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
128 80 FNIS.esp
129 81 SexLabMatchMaker.esp
130 82 SexLabMassMatchMaker.esp
131 83 Apropos.esp
132 84 SexLabTools.esp
133 85 UIExtensions.esp
134 86 AddItemMenu2.esp
135 87 SexLabDefeat.esp
136 88 SlaveTats.esp
137 89 SL Deadly Drain.esp
138 8a DibellanDefender.esp
139 8b DW.esp
140 8c sr_FillHerUp.esp
141 8d dc-untamed-000.esp
142 8e SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
143 8f SLAL_K4Anims.esp
144 90 SLAnimLoader.esp
145 91 [Dint] BDO Dark_Knight (Female).esp
146 92 BDO Cavaro.esp
147 93 BDO_Kibelius.esp
148 94 MomijiMummy.esp
149 95 nazonootokoAnimSLAL.esp
150 96 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
151 97 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
152 98 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
153 99 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
154 9a HHairstyles.esp
155 9b Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
156 9c XPMSE.esp
157 9d dc-mana-tanks-000.esp
158 9e MINIDRESS.esp
159 9f BDO_BaekMuSae.esp
160 a0 Fairylicious.esp
161 a1 Osare Underwear.esp
162 a2 PeroPeroArmorPack.esp
163 a3 DPnTrielekMix.esp
164 a4 HotPantsMicroBikini.esp
165 a5 AncientDraugr.esp
166 a6 Cassandra Frost Witch.esp
167 a7 Ursine Armor Pack.esp
168 a8 Tiwa44_Minidresses_Dragonborn.esp
169 a9 Tiwa44_Minidresses.esp
170 aa Tiwa44_SpiceGear.esp
171 ab Mini Vamps.esp
172 ac InvisibleSeranaHood.esp
173 ad truevampireseduction.esp
174 ae Warmer Magic Lights v2.esp
175 af Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
176 b0 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
177 b1 SexLab Inflation Framework.esp
178 b2 QuickLight.esp
179 b3 Toccata as Elisif.esp
180 b4 HearthfireMultiKid.esp
181 b5 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
182 b6 NibblesAnimObjects.esp
183 b7 AnubAnimObj.esp
184 b8 ContinueGameNoCrash.esp
185 b9 HentaiCreatures.esp
186 ba SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
187 bb Better Females - Eyebrows.esp
188 bc Eyes of Aber.esp
189 bd SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
190 be 12FemaleBrows.esp
191 bf RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
192 c0 SPB Ribbon 15.esp
193 c1 HDTSextoys.esp
194 c2 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
 

 

[worik]

Autosave is often troublesome.... If you can play without it: do it!

Endless Quicksave is also well known,... something because it has to overwrite the same file and where Bethasda made some stupid amateuer errors if I understood the reason correct.

My game runs stabel, normal save is done in mere seconds, quicksave can take your 30-60. Watch out for the filesize though... if it grows beyond 30or 40MB it's often a bad indicator that something went terribly wrong.

 

Be aware that some of your mentioned fixes like the memory patch and Safety load were good at their time, when they were developped. But they created some problems on their own.

You might want to have a look at their successor "Crash fixes" https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725 or https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2551-crash-fixes/

 

Anyway: take your tiime to read the descriptions carefully. Double important, if your english is no good. Better make sure you really understand what they say.

[Grey Cloud]

Have you tried a save game cleaner such as Save Game Cleaner and Net Immerse Override Cleaner These will help with load times.

 

You have a lot of armour and clothing mods installed. Do you really need them all in every game? Why make your game installation work harder than it has to?

 

You can actually deselect XMPSE.esp if you are not using any of its animation features such as swords on the back etc. In other words if you only use it for the skeleton.

 

Edit: Ninjad by Worik

[Saraniamic]

Not sure about the quicksave crashes, but you can try Safety load for infinite loading screens.

[worik]

36 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Edit: Ninjad by Worik

[Grey Cloud]

42 minutes ago, Saraniamic said:

Not sure about the quicksave crashes, but you can try Safety load for infinite loading screens.

See the post by Worik.

[assassin394]

Thank you everyone. Unfortunately, none of the method suggested above that I haven't try yet. My save files size is about 17mb. The problem also happend when starting a new game so I don't think it is save files related. I didn't have any of these issue with SSE but there is lots of Sexlabs mod for Oldrim I haven't played yet. I want to play Oldrim!!!

[Grey Cloud]

1 minute ago, assassin394 said:

Thank you everyone. Unfortunately, none of the method suggested above that I haven't try yet. My save files size is about 17mb. The problem also happend when starting a new game so I don't think it is because save files. I didn't have any of these issue with SSE but there is lots of Sexlabs mod for Oldrim I haven't played yet. I want to play Oldrim!!!

Then you will have to do it the hard way. Start a new game with a small number of mods, play and then add mods a few at a time until the problem recurs.

 

If you have tried Save Cleaner, how many scripts does it say you are running?

My quicksave.ess is about 11.3Mb. I am running about 160 plug-ins and less than 200 mods. As you can see, I only have 19 active scripts.

[Fifoo]

On 27/04/2018 at 6:07 PM, assassin394 said:

none of the method suggested above that I haven't try yet

There is no reason to use Safety Load, SSME - Skyrim Startup Memory Editor, FPS Background Booster and 4GB Skyrim launchers any more. They are obsolete and superseded by the combination of SKSE 1.7.3 built in memory allocation feature, SKSE Plugin Preloader, Crash Fixes and ENBoost. These new features work together and are complementary.

 

Concerning your issue:

 

1. ILS (Infinite Loading Screen) main issue is caused by running out of space in the preallocated blocks. It means that the memory patch is not set high enough as countless users only think they have their memory patch well applied and never bother to verify if the settings are accurate for their own modded game to run well:

 

Spoiler

Default SKSE.ini recommended settings:

 

[General]

EnableDiagnostics=1

ClearInvalidRegistrations=1

[Display]

iTintTextureResolution=2048

[Memory]

defaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768

scrapHeapSizeMB=256

 

Tweaked SKSE.ini settings for 2K and 4K textures:

 

[General]

EnableDiagnostics=1

ClearInvalidRegistrations=1

[Display]

iTintTextureResolution=2048

[Memory]

defaultHeapInitialAllocMB=1024

scrapHeapSizeMB=256

 

Settings explained and Important note:

• EnableDiagnostics=1 <= Activates the crash diagnostics for your game and shows which masterfile is missing when the game CTDs on startup. Lists also the missing files in the removed content dialog when loading a save.
• ClearInvalidRegistrations=1 <= Attempts to clean orphaned scripts from removed mods.
• iTintTextureResolution=2048 <= Updates the make-up to higher resolution.

• defaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768 <= The main Block1 memory fix. You can change the "DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768" to 1024 instead of 768 if you need to, but be aware that allocating too much memory in this value WILL cause your game to crash. If the game doesn't start with high Block1 values set ExpandSystemMemoryX64=false in enblocal.ini.

• scrapHeapSizeMB=256 <= The size of Block2. That one should never go over 256MB unless a new patch information is discovered.

 

ENBoost by Boris Vorontsov

Guide:ENBlocal INI/Memory

 

Use Skyrim Performance Monitor to keep an eye on VRAM usage.

 

You will need to set up the SPM in order to use it by opening the setup section, and putting the correct file paths in. MO users will need to point the Launcher section towards MO instead of the SKSE, or default skyrim launcher.

2. You must be certain that the SKSE.ini is really an .ini file and not a simple SKSE.ini.txt to work well.
3. Other reason that ILS can occur is related to troubles loading texture and 3D geometry data.

4. Some users are confonding ILS with LTLS (Long Time Loading Screen) when having a lot of texture mods to load and/or certain combinations of settings in ENBoost and heavy mod load out. Each of them can lead to loading screens taking much longer than expected.

5. Improve your game experience: changing some components like texture quality settings on a lower range - whether for your installed mods or in your enblocal.ini file, and optimizing the shadow settings can drasticaly improve you game performances.

 

Shadows are one of the biggest killers of performance for Skyrim. This guide* is a good starting point. Don't forget to backup your original SkyrimPrefs.ini file before applying these tweaks:

 

INSS Improved New Skyrim Shadows for Low-Range PC

INSS Improved New Skyrim Shadows for Medium-Range PC *

INSS Improved New Skyrim Shadows for Ultra Settings

 

[Uncle64]

He can also try and add this mod. Works fine whit EnbBoost/crashfixes. It will make the loading process more stable.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/85443 Load Game CTD Fix

Make sure that you also have as told in the tread SKSE Plugin Preloader.

 

Need to add on @Fifoo post and numbers 1 and 4.

Make sure that you have those settings.

 

When you have many stuff that needs to load, give the game time to load. My game can take up to 3-4 minutes to load since it needs to read 100+ gig data whit grafic and stuff.

And that is after I have waited 2 minutes for the startup until I can load one save.

Runs fully stable after that.

Hmm I think I need to get one faster drive.

 

 

 

[assassin394]

On 28/4/2018 at 11:45 AM, Uncle64 said:

He can also try and add this mod. Works fine whit EnbBoost/crashfixes. It will make the loading process more stable.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/85443 Load Game CTD Fix

Make sure that you also have as told in the tread SKSE Plugin Preloader.

 

Need to add on @Fifoo post and numbers 1 and 4.

Make sure that you have those settings.

 

When you have many stuff that needs to load, give the game time to load. My game can take up to 3-4 minutes to load since it needs to read 100+ gig data whit grafic and stuff.

And that is after I have waited 2 minutes for the startup until I can load one save.

Runs fully stable after that.

Hmm I think I need to get one faster drive.

 

 

 

Thank you. I still use the old Continue Game No Crash mod. I didn't know there is a new version of it.

Unfortunately the infinite loading screen problem still existed. I have Crash fixes install, doubled check and make sure skse.ini memory patch is working. Switch from 2K texutre mod to lite version. Beside, I don't think crash is the problem here. The game is pretty stable. I can play for 2-3 hours without any crash. And infinite loading only occurred when auto save on travel is set to ON in gameplay option menu.. So I think there is something related to save feature make the ILS occured and not because run out of memory.

 One other note is the auto save working fine before, no ILS. I didn't install/uninstall mods or making any change to the Skyrim setup. Only thing I did is moving Skyrim and mods folder from SDD to HDD because I'm running out of free space on SDD.

[Uncle64]

You can delete that old mod, it is superseaded by the one suggested by me. It did also did make trouble for some players (Me included). As he also mention on his page.

 

Oh, you have moved your from Super fast SSD to slower HDD, that is one issue, not that bad but you will have longer loading times, more or less the same as I have.

Even if I have one of the fastest HDD you can get.

You can turn off Autosaves, but then you must learn to make hard saves often.

 

Question how do you install your mods, what tool do you use?

I do come around the performance issue whit using MO, then I can put files on several of physic disks. And have done some changes in the ini files.