Should Child Mods be allowed on LL?

[Jexsam]

As suggested by a moderator, I figured I'd take it upon myself to start this up.

 

The question is simple; should child mods, like outfits, bodies, things of that nature, be allowed on LL?

 

If no, why?

 

If yes, why? And what restrictions would you impose, if any?

 

 

I'll start.

 

I would allow child mods on LL. Though I find the phenomenon itself utterly reprehensible, I really don't see why that should mean no one gets to use them or why no one should be able to post them.

 

I would, however, have one simple restriction placed upon any and all child mods uploaded here:

• If your mod contains a mesh with readily visible primary and/or secondary sexual characteristics (vagina, penis, nipples on females), then it cannot be uploaded here and will be removed immediately upon discovery with a hefty warning.
  

 

So for example, this, while highly questionable, is fine to have.

 

This, on the other hand is completely unacceptable.

 

 

Discuss.

[Ark of Truth]

This has already come up several times and the admin has said any issues with child mods just PM him.

 

Hint: He's the one in red.

 

Personally I think the only ones which should be allowed are:

 

- Non nude appearance mods. (Make them look better)

- Child Pregnancy and child aging. (Allows them to be born and age into adults)

[RyokoRHM]

personally, i find size octuple-f breasts and asses that are 5 times thicker than the respective waist unacceptable.

 

if, however, you think that the characters and mods in question are supposed to be prepubescent, you've apparently never been to a far eastern country. during my stay in and around tokyo, i can honestly say that 90% of the girls i saw between the ages of 18 and 35 looked like the average 13 year old white girl proportionally.

 

as for the mod in question, it probably shouldn't be on a sex related site, as it has nothing to do with sex (that's just you projecting). in today's bullshit puritanical society, anything to do with girls under 18 that could possibly be misconstrued as sexual is immediately labeled worse than murder. in fact, the only reason why i came to loverslab is because of CotS. i can't stand unrealistic sexual situations in immersive games, and don't find any of the sex mods worth my time to look at.

[Jexsam]

Um...

 

The mods in question are definitely supposed prepubescent. It literally says Children right in the title of Children of the Sky. It also says Children right in the title of Better Children plus Beasts. It's pretty hard to mistake that as anything other than children.

 

In any case, that's slightly off-topic. You really missed the point of this thread entirely, I think. This isn't here to call out any given child mod, it's a general question about child mods. The question was would you allow them or not; if not, why; if so, why and with what restrictions (if any).

 

So instead of getting so defensive, maybe answer the question?

[RyokoRHM]

ok,

 

no, i would not allow them, being as this is a sex mod dedicated site.

[Ark of Truth]

If you have a problem PM the ADMIN and tell them.

[DSXX]

I'll just C&P what I originally wrote. Sort of feel I might've played a part in setting off this discussion... x_x, anyways

 

It's mostly based off anime(? or so I assume), and people want extremely anime-ish characters in their game, just like Oblivion. To an extent, there's no harm in that, but what people do with their exceptionally young characters in their own game is another matter, and personal at that. Can't do anything about it either, just down to the individual. I'm assuming the clothing is part of the anime theme as well.

 

While I don't agree with the nudity on such things, once again it's down to the individual and what they do with it and I guess, how they react - as peculiar as that sounds. Either way it doesn't mean child mods shouldn't exist, there should just be a limit, which evidently already does exist. Any further though, and I feel it might infringe on the certain freedoms of this place. As people have said, if you think there's a serious problem, that's what admins are for.

 

personally' date=' i find size octuple-f breasts and asses that are 5 times thicker than the respective waist unacceptable.[/quote']

 

Oh, and Amen to that. Not exactly unacceptable, but moreso absurd. Makes me wonder how some people can even play the game as half their screen is filled with enormous bosoms and everything else related lol.

[thesapien]

"Children of the Sky" is a phrase borrowed from the lore of Skyrim in reference to the Nords but was cleverly expanded when dropping in another race using the child models as a basis. It doesn't necessarily mean kids. It could be offspring of any gods.

 

I finally tried the CofS mod, today, after all of this advertising (thanks!) and do really like it. They remind me of fairies or even elves as they should be.

 

I'm a feather weight in RL and short. Most Japanese guys are even taller than me. I'm closer to the size of Bruce Lee (Chinese) and just feel like everyone in Skyrim is giant while playing my usual Breton. This CofS helps level sizes down for me, adding more variety least so I don't have to always be a Breton. I know, I could play as a taller person and don't really know why I always gravitate to smaller, more petite people other than they match me in RL better. LOL, most of my girlfriends have been taller than me, though I have also had girlfriends that are over 18 and better match the CofS mod race!

[Luna_Natsume]

It was actually the Admin that proposed this discussion in the first place. The admin in question even linked this portion of the forum to set up a discussion on this very topic.

 

Murder, Rape, Bestiality, Pedophillia... when it comes to all of these things, some people are more tolerant than others. I am from America, where the general concensus is that savage violence, murder, and sex is perfectly acceptable in movies and games, but everything else is considered -wrong- and in pretty much condemned.

 

Rape is a slippery slope because TRUE rape is unconsentual and thus illegal and morally wrong and thus shouldn't be the center of a mod made available to the public. Murder (As mentioned above) is illegal, but for some reason perfectly acceptable in modern media, and featured in all vanilla bethsda games.

 

Pedophillia is akin to rape in that it's not considered consentual in any country that these games might be played in. Not only is it illegal but people have been arrested in America just for having child pornography... pornography is a pretty general term, because even nude pictures with no sexual acts depicted, have gotten more than one person thrown in prison. Yet here we are, on this very site with mods all the way back to Children of the Wasteland in Fallout 3, that have had children depicted nude and in skimpy clothing.

 

These mods seem to be gaining popularity, and those that use them seem to be remarkably defensive about it when the nature of the mods are called into question. Now just because I play a game that features murder, doesn't mean I have any desire to go out and murder someone, that may be true... but child nudity is still a pretty difficult thing to justify or defend.

 

Lets just boil it down to the bare naked truth... so to speak:

Would these mods be JUST as effective if there were NO nudity? If the creators of the mod truly have no questionable intentions, then the answer should be yes. Anyone that defends or trys to justify the nudity in such mods, clearly are perverting and abusing their personal freedom. Saying anything to the tune of "What I do in my home, is my right and my business" is the same as saying "If I molest a 10 year old in my home, it's okay".

 

Is playing a video game on par with molestation? Of course not, but the point stands: If you defend nudity in 'child mods' your defending pedophillia.

[Ark of Truth]

Greg is a moderator not the Admin.

 

Ashal is the site admin.

[GrimReaper]

Of course not' date=' but the point stands: If you defend nudity in 'child mods' your defending pedophillia.

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And if you defend rape mods, you are defending IRL rape. If you defend gore mods, you defend violence IRL. But hey, there aren't even mods necessary! In Fallout and Skyrim, you can play a cannibal. What does it say about you when you want to play a cannibal, hm? Surely you simply must have a desire to eat people because otherwise, why would you play as someone who does? You certainly wouldn't be playing a cannibal if you would find the act of devouring other people disgusting and wrong, right?

 

Anyway, Ashal (That's the owner and admin of this site) said more than once that if you have a problem with the rules or certain content here that you should write him a PM instead of creating a topic - he locked several threads with the same theme already. And tbh, it's the only thing that's left to do if someone wants to talk about moral fagottry.

 

Keep in mind that most people you meet out in the streets would very much like to see YOU locked up in prison. Because, you know, it ISN'T morally accepted that you mod your game to a point where things like rape and beastiality are just a common occurence. Obviously you have to be a sick minded psycho, because that's the only way how someone could enjoy rape and animals fucking with humans, right?

[RandomOne]

you say child , I say pixie , leprachan, nymph, cherub, hobbit, fairy, or dozens of other wee folk who are 100s of years old.

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

Personally I say allow it regardless as long as it complies with laws wherever the server is hosted.

 

Otherwise, leave it to the taste of the users.

If they want it, they DL it, same as any other mod here, otherwise that leaves open the door to say yet more stuff is 'too far'.....

[Password42]

In fantasy universes, it is not only possible but is common to have creatures that are centuries old, if not millennia, take the appearance of young to very young girls. For me at least, that is justification enough for any mods that potentially include "child" nudity, as that is just a misnomer -- call it "fantasy creature" nudity (albeit somewhat resembling human children.)

 

In regards to what should be allowed or not, that is entirely up to the administration, and their word is final; further debate on the subject is detrimental, IMO.

[thesapien]

Technically speaking, the Children of the Sky mod REPLACES children with a new race of beings called Ashen, then allows you to play as one. The title is just a play on words, borrowing from the lore of the Nords being called the "Children of the Sky". Very clever.

 

So I was wrong calling them fairies or elves. And the OP was wrong calling them children. They are Ashen! Get it straight.

 

It works with vanilla armors, too, as well as armors on Steam Workshop that I've tried. Today, I was switching armors and did remove everything to have a look while using UNP... very nice, indeed. Ashen can be hot! The x117 has always been my fav and scaling them down just makes them so damn cute! (Again, as I've said before, I'm a scaled down guy in real life, only 5'6" and 125 lbs, so these are my ideal women/race. Although, come to think of it, my own size shouldn't matter. I've seen big guys marry petite girls and that's totally kewl too.)

[xartom]

There's a lot of taboo mods here and elsewhere and it's all pixels, so as long as it doesn't break the law it shouldn't be such a big deal since it's all virtual.

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

sroro summed it up.

 

If we ban one kink, may as well ban them all, ban ourselves, and move back to nexus.

[britefire]

I see no reason to ban the mods, It is not as-if anyone is being hurt by them.

 

I think the current policy is fine (allowed as long as there are no un-censored full-nude screenshots and no sex in the mod).

 

If you start banning one thing, what comes next? No bestiality, rape, eventually no sex mods at all?

 

While that probably wouldn't happen, but banning things can become a fairly "slippery slope".

[Trykz]

Delving into the realm of underage sexual fascination and fantasy requires a pretty solid background in psychology to make any sense of it. By others certainly more educated than I on such matters.

 

Suffice to say from a non-professional POV, if mods such as those you mentioned help relieve the sexual tension that revolves around those fascinations and fantasies, keeping those who fantasize about such things sitting in front of a computer screen instead of acting them out IRL, then I'm actually pretty thankful that they exist, even though I wouldn't use them in an inappropriate fashion myself.

 

In other words, if they're enough to keep an otherwise normal adult satisfied enough to not take action IRL, then it makes sense that they should remain. Because an actual pedophile will act regardless of whether some mods exist or not.

 

Any psychologist would tell you it's normal to fantasize about such things as part of the human condition. Common sense will tell you it's wrong to act on them.

 

The key is knowing the difference and not crossing the line, by bringing normal human fantasy into reality.

 

Anyway, that's just my two cents.

 

Whichever way the site admin decides to go is fine with me. Because ultimately, it's the overall reputation vs. popularity of the site that Ashal needs to be most concerned with. As long as those things remain in balance, I see no reason to change anything.

[Luna_Natsume]

I completely agree with Trykz on the matter of Fantasy vs. Reality, and that Pedophiles will act on their impulses regardless of mods. I suppose that my perspective is simply: 'regardless of age of the ashen/fairy/god/vampire/child, the visual component is still the same. It's a nude child body portrayed in these mods. Babette may be a vampire child, hundreds of years old, but the fact remains that she still has the BODY of a child and thus taps into base arousal of a pre-pubescant girl'.

 

Call the 'children of the sky' whatever you want, but the fact remains... these are humanoid creatures with pre-pubescant bodies. Allowing nudity in these kinds of mods, is advocating sexual arousal of child-like attributes. The dictionary defines 'Pedophile' as an person with a sexual desire for children. It's as simple as that.

 

I ask again: Would the mod be invalidated or worse off if nudity were removed/condemned?

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

Lets face it, all that banning a type of nudity will do is cause folks to upload nude patches elsewhere.

 

Not everyone has to like it, if you don't want it don't download it, that simple.

Besides if you ask, for any mods that it applies to, Im sure a modder would be happy to mod out nudity, etc, in question as well for those that want the mod w/o the nudity.

 

However we also have to consider context, lets say it's a skyrim/oblivion mod, and were designed to fit into a generic medevil era, well back then it was VERY common for a girl to be married off at 13 back then, so having a child model representing someones wife for example (or something more unsavory) would be fit in with the setting.

 

Once again, some may not approve of it, however if someone attempted to add semi historical realism from a medevil period, it would be quite propper and fitting.

[thesapien]

I completely agree with Trykz on the matter of Fantasy vs. Reality' date=' and that Pedophiles will act on their impulses regardless of mods. I suppose that my perspective is simply: 'regardless of age of the ashen/fairy/god/vampire/child, the visual component is still the same. It's a nude child body portrayed in these mods. Babette may be a vampire child, hundreds of years old, but the fact remains that she still has the BODY of a child and thus taps into base arousal of a pre-pubescant girl'.

 

Call the 'children of the sky' whatever you want, but the fact remains... these are humanoid creatures with pre-pubescant bodies. Allowing nudity in these kinds of mods, is advocating sexual arousal of child-like attributes. The dictionary defines 'Pedophile' as an person with a sexual desire for children. It's as simple as that.

 

I ask again: Would the mod be invalidated or worse off if nudity were removed/condemned?

[/quote']

 

I'm not sure you know what prepubescent means.

 

I'm also quite certain there are lots of women who appreciate that some of us guys really like their petite forms, even the ones in the itty-bitty-titty-committees, who will hopefully not feel the need to conform using breasts implants or wearing high heels all of the time, both of which I personally hate.

 

And, to answer your question directly, yes, I think this mod wouldn't be as good if it somehow prevented nudity or blocked sexy armor. Like I said, Ashen can be sexy, hot, and desirable creatures!

[GrimReaper]

I completely agree with Trykz on the matter of Fantasy vs. Reality' date=' and that Pedophiles will act on their impulses regardless of mods. I suppose that my perspective is simply: 'regardless of age of the ashen/fairy/god/vampire/child, the visual component is still the same. It's a nude child body portrayed in these mods. Babette may be a vampire child, hundreds of years old, but the fact remains that she still has the BODY of a child and thus taps into base arousal of a pre-pubescant girl'.

 

Call the 'children of the sky' whatever you want, but the fact remains... these are humanoid creatures with pre-pubescant bodies. Allowing nudity in these kinds of mods, is advocating sexual arousal of child-like attributes. The dictionary defines 'Pedophile' as an person with a sexual desire for children. It's as simple as that.

 

I ask again: Would the mod be invalidated or worse off if nudity were removed/condemned?

[/quote']

 

And I ask again: How would you justify rape? Please, explain. I am listening.

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

the reaper man has an exellent point.

 

sapien, as for the "itty-bitty-titty-committees" you refer to, an off topic point of hilarity.

I read in the news earlier this year that apparently in Australia now, it's illegal to make a-cup porno because it's 'too close to child porn'

[thesapien]

In the readme for Children of the Sky, it says something about deleting the older version which was called OrientalRace. So it really does seem like the name was intended, like I said, as a play on the Nord's being children of the sky in the lore of the game, as well being a replacement of the children in Skyrim, and just being another race dropped in by the gods.

 

Sidenote: Today, while on a walk to the store in real life, I walked passed my usual Korean store clerk on her way out and really noticed how short and petite she was, only up to my shoulders (and I'm short already) and quite flat chested too. She's pretty hot, too, though married.