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Stiffon

Stiffon

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Hi,

So after a while of not playing Skyrim (to catch up some of my games backlog), I decided to totally update everything and start a new game.  Run around 250 mods and always for the most part very stable.  I did the stupid thing and updated everything at once!  Yes, yes I know :/

 

OK, so I can start a new game (mostly - sometimes CTD), create my PC, leave the cell for my new life.  However, when I save the game, I cannot reload whatsoever!  Save cleaner shows nothing except some havoc to reset.  I tried adding Crash Fixes and Safety Load (neither of them needed previously), but still the same.

 

I'm adding my load order and last papyrus - I have absolutely no idea how to read the papyrus nor how to make it look like some of the ones I've seen here!  Opened with Wordpad.

Any thoughts, directions or assistance other than the start again I'm facing would be greatly appreciated.  So much talent here I thought I'd make a desperate appeal to save me several days of reconfiguring if it turned out to be 1 mod type of thing.

 

Thanks for reading and/or helping.  Have a great day.

 

 

 

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Papyrus.0.log

azoth1267

azoth1267

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263 mods. (255 is the "limit" but less is better)

No merge patch.

Lots of heavy mods.

Many followers and secondary patches that can/should be merged.

 

Fix over modding, then we can figure out what else is wrong.

unused.warhead

unused.warhead

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It's very common for mods to break Helgen. With 250 mods, it's likely it will happen. It would be recommended to only turn any mods on after helgen. Turn your mods off, start a new game, make a save after you get out of Helgen then turn your mods on.

 

That said, if you are using Crash Fixes (which is great) you should edit the save game with ReSaver from FallrimTools because the savegame format is different. Also, chances are that you are running SKSE too because most likely some of your 250 mods probably need it. Make sure you have a SKSE.INI properly configured. Here is mine:

 

 

 

[General]

ClearInvalidRegistrations=1
EnableDiagnostics=1
 
[Display]
iTintTextureResolution=2048
 
[Memory]
DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768
ScrapHeapSizeMB=256
 
[Debug]
WriteMinidumps=1
 
[interface]
EnableContainerCategorization=1

 
As for the papyrus logs, it's a common mistake to think it's kind of an error log. Papyrus is the script language, this file only logs stuff from scripts that are running and are intended for modders to debug their scripts. Most of it are just debug message, not errors per se. And If it logs any errors it will be script errors, it won't log anything related to the graphic engine, missing models and textures, bad animations or anything else. So unless you are sure the problem is script related, it won't help. In fact, because writing to disk is slow, having this logging options turned on can actually slow down your game, in your case, it wrote 500KB of data in less than 30sec. I recommend running the game with it turned off, specially on a new game with 250 mods all trying to start their scripts for the first time.
 
Regards.
 
 
Stiffon

Stiffon

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263 mods. (255 is the "limit" but less is better)

No merge patch.

Lots of heavy mods.

Many followers and secondary patches that can/should be merged.

 

Fix over modding, then we can figure out what else is wrong.

 

Actually only 250 active mods thru MO.  Bashed patch via Wrye Bash.  I know there are a lot of heavy mods, but as I mentioned was all running and playing nicely before I updated all of them.  I don't feel the need to mess around merging followers while I am under the 255 limit, but I have thought about it - not sure it is within my modding ability tho.

 

FNIS/LOOT/XPMSE2 all the rest are also done.

 

Thanks anyway.

 

 

It's very common for mods to break Helgen. With 250 mods, it's likely it will happen. It would be recommended to only turn any mods on after helgen. Turn your mods off, start a new game, make a save after you get out of Helgen then turn your mods on.

 

That said, if you are using Crash Fixes (which is great) you should edit the save game with ReSaver from FallrimTools because the savegame format is different. Also, chances are that you are running SKSE too because most likely some of your 250 mods probably need it. Make sure you have a SKSE.INI properly configured. Here is mine:

 

 

 

[General]

ClearInvalidRegistrations=1
EnableDiagnostics=1
 
[Display]
iTintTextureResolution=2048
 
[Memory]
DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768
ScrapHeapSizeMB=256
 
[Debug]
WriteMinidumps=1
 
[interface]
EnableContainerCategorization=1

 
As for the papyrus logs, it's a common mistake to think it's kind of an error log. Papyrus is the script language, this file only logs stuff from scripts that are running and are intended for modders to debug their scripts. Most of it are just debug message, not errors per se. And If it logs any errors it will be script errors, it won't log anything related to the graphic engine, missing models and textures, bad animations or anything else. So unless you are sure the problem is script related, it won't help. In fact, because writing to disk is slow, having this logging options turned on can actually slow down your game, in your case, it wrote 500KB of data in less than 30sec. I recommend running the game with it turned off, specially on a new game with 250 mods all trying to start their scripts for the first time.
 
Regards.

 

 

Yes I have SKSE - haven't touched that during the update so maybe I should look at it.

 

Rarely start at Helgen due to the scripting - use LAL to start elsewhere.

 

Thanks for the heads up on the log - I'll turn it off as it doesn't do anything for me anyway lol

 

This one is also quite useful to add

Load Game CTD Fix (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/85443/?)

 

That shows no longer supported, but I'll have a try - thanks :)

 

Stiffon

Stiffon

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This one is also quite useful to add

Load Game CTD Fix (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/85443/?)

 

That shows no longer supported, but I'll have a try - thanks smile.png

 

While it may no longer be supported, it's still only a few months since the last update.

 

 

Thanks.  Can't be sure of the impact but am assuming it is helping.

Crash Fixes 12 and Load Game CTD Fix at bottom of left pane.  Removed a few of the follower mods that were not using my body type (lowering mod volume/stress more than the body but still a good reason), made a tweak to ini's as per the fixes, removed several mods that had no updates but were not playing well with the newest SL162, and all seems to be well!

Played for over 5 hours with no issues.  Load/save/reload all seems fine again. 

All is quiet in the deep dark wood...

 

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