HitsujiNoKon Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 Hello folks I installed some mods today and everything seems to work fine until I use the wait option or if I try to exit my home. If I do, I crash during the waiting "animation" or the end of the load screen while exiting my house... UPDATE : Skyrim also crashes if I sleep, but not if I coc to Whiterun (still crashes if I wait after having coc'ed to Whiterun tho) UPDATE 2 : Skyrim crahses if I save as well. And I tried deactivating every mod I installed before the crashes occured and it did not fix it. UPDATE 3 : CrashFixes CrashLog if someone can make sense of it : CrashFix log says "Game has crashed with exception address 0xC4D18A!" Crash info:2017_02_26_22-15-43 - C4D18A: V(1); EAX(0); EBX(76A13F01); ECX(1); EDX(0); ESI(E053E9DC); EDI(E05433D4); EBP(19EEAC); ESP(19EE38); STACK(401739 8D379A 8D5006 8D5034 77652E 6872E0 67C387 77652E 67D2C2 679539 776516 10076BC 6816B7); UPDATE 4 : Made a clean install and reinstalled my mods using Mod Organizer this time, problem still occurs, but I disabled the autosaving features so it only happends when I try to save... (save is in my home - Elysium Estate) If someone could help me it would be very nice! I did run LOOT and cleaned my save from orphaned scripts with the SaveTool. Load order : 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 ApachiiHair.esm 7 7 GeneralStores.esm 8 8 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm 9 9 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 10 a TERAArmors.esm 11 b hdtHighHeel.esm 12 c SexLab.esm 13 d Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 14 e EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 15 f ELFX - Exteriors.esp 16 10 immersive roads.esp 17 11 3DNPC.esp 18 12 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 19 13 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 20 14 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp 21 15 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp 22 16 Book Covers Skyrim.esp 23 17 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 24 18 ELFXEnhancer.esp 25 19 Beasts of Tamriel.esp 26 1a ElysiumEstate.esp 27 1b ElysiumEstate-HF.esp 28 1c HearthfireMultiKid.esp 29 1d MultiMarriage_JAMCE.esp 30 1e OBIS.esp 31 1f Birdsofskyrim.esp 32 20 SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Light.esp 33 21 Guard Torch Remover.esp 34 22 Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp 35 23 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 36 24 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 37 25 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 38 26 Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp 39 27 Artifact Disenchanting.esp 40 28 LocalizedGuildJobs.esp 41 29 zMirai.esp 42 2a PetKing.esp 43 2b CinematicFireFX.esp 44 2c Inigo.esp 45 2d Cloaks.esp 46 2e SMIM-Merged-All.esp 47 2f RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp 48 30 Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp 49 31 SofiaFollower.esp 50 32 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 51 33 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp 52 34 Immersive Weapons.esp 53 35 PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp 54 36 SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp 55 37 DawnguardArsenal.esp 56 38 Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp 57 39 Whistling Mine.esp 58 3a Soljund's Sinkhole.esp 59 3b 3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp 60 3c FNIS.esp 61 3d FNISSexyMove.esp 62 3e AFT_NoDances.esp 63 3f calyps-animal-ears.esp 64 40 SkyUI.esp 65 41 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp 66 42 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp 67 43 Facelight.esp 68 44 crimsonquestmarkers.esp 69 45 RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp 70 46 Dragonbone Weapons.esp 71 47 More Craftables.esp 72 48 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 73 49 SOS - Shop.esp 74 4a Kynesguard.esp 75 4b armored-horses.esp 76 4c Shortcuts.esp 77 4d Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp 78 4e Midas Magic Expanded.esp 79 4f AronsMechaDragons.esp 80 50 OBISDB.esp 81 51 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp 82 52 FishingInSkyrim.esp 83 53 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp 84 54 RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp 85 55 KhajiitChildren.esp 86 56 SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp 87 57 CandlelightToggle10.esp 88 58 My Home Is Your Home.esp 89 59 DollsG.esp Babette.esp 90 5a The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp 91 5b TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 92 5c ReverseCrafting.esp 93 5d Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 94 5e Convertible Azura's Star.esp 95 5f Craftable Artifacts.esp 96 60 RaceMenu.esp 97 61 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 98 62 LostLongSwords.esp Dragonbone Weapons - Faster Arrows.esp dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 99 63 Unique Uniques.esp100 64 KS Jewelry.esp101 65 ScarletDawnArmor.esp102 66 AHZmoreHUD.esp103 67 Dr_Bandolier.esp104 68 KS Hairdo's.esp105 69 DeadlyDragons.esp106 6a Convenient Horses.esp107 6b VioLens.esp108 6c XPMSE.esp Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp109 6d Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp110 6e ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp111 6f Extended UI.esp112 70 AMatterOfTime.esp BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp113 71 Dwemer Spectres Legendary.esp114 72 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp115 73 Insanity's Umbra Sword.esp116 74 Convenient Horse Herding.esp GreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp117 75 KK_Lola_companion_wolfdog.esp118 76 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes_HighSpawn.esp119 77 SleepTight.esp120 78 Civil War Cleanup.esp Warmer Magic Lights v2 - White - Big.esp CLToggleRadius2x - WML version.esp121 79 DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp122 7a Celes Nightingale Armor.esp123 7b Insanity's Ice Blade of the Monarch.esp124 7c lilithssickle.esp125 7d PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp SeptimGold001.esp126 7e female mannequins.esp female mannequins in homes.esp127 7f InigoMCM.esp128 80 Waterwalking Ring.esp129 81 Useful Blade Of Woe.esp130 82 Cute Babette.esp131 83 AR_Helgi_Follower.esp132 84 TGBC.esp133 85 lockpickscrafting.esp134 86 Insanity's Goldbrand.esp135 87 CF Project-FightingDaggers.esp136 88 Artifact Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp137 89 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp138 8a OverflowingEnchant.esp139 8b ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp140 8c Dreyrii.esp141 8d Osare Underwear.esp142 8e For the Brotherhood Daggers.esp143 8f Merta Assassin Armor.esp144 90 dbmisc.esp145 91 Dual Sheath Redux.esp146 92 Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp147 93 Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp RealBarenziahV2Uncensored.esp148 94 Merta Assassin Tattoos.esp149 95 TwoRings.esp150 96 ContinueGameNoCrash.esp151 97 MultiMarriage_JAMCE_HMA_PATCH.esp152 98 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp153 99 Cute Adoptable.esp154 9a NotificationLog.esp155 9b Improved Dragon Shouts.esp Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp156 9c Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp157 9d Tiwa44_Minidresses.esp158 9e Tiwa44_Minidresses_Dragonborn.esp Size Does Matter HF.esp159 9f Cute Serana.esp160 a0 MultiMar_VoiceSerana_HMA_version.esp161 a1 Magnolia Follower.esp162 a2 LycHairstyler.esp163 a3 SeranaDialogEdit.esp164 a4 Children can wear all.esp165 a5 RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp166 a6 Bijin NPCs.esp167 a7 Bijin Warmaidens.esp168 a8 Bijin Wives.esp169 a9 Sapphire.esp170 aa UIExtensions.esp171 ab AddItemMenu.esp172 ac 12FemaleBrows.esp173 ad KS Hairdos - HDT.esp174 ae SexLabMatchMaker.esp175 af SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp176 b0 SOSRaceMenu.esp177 b1 SOS Equipable Schlong.esp178 b2 vAutosaveManager.esp179 b3 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp180 b4 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp181 b5 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp182 b6 RDO - USLEEP Patch.esp183 b7 Bashed Patch, 0.esp184 b8 Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp185 b9 RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp (deactivated plugins are in the bashed patch) Thanks in advance folks!
lurkalot Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 When I get this problem I end up reinstalling Skyrim . Latest version of Skyrim not SE - seems very stable . Try running this little program ( NETIMMERSE OVERRIDE CLEANER ) . Its a very easy to use program , just down load and in stall to your desktop . It cleans SKSE saves has they bloat very fast and reduces the size of your saves removing bloating . Its on labs maybe on nexus not sure .
lurkalot Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 If a door is part open this is mainly caused by an NPC getting stuck , I click the door to shut it -back away - run wait for 24 hours then go through the door . Sometimes if having this problem use consul type tfc or tcl cant remember . Remove collision go through door then back then reenter door then restart collision once cell as loaded .
HitsujiNoKon Posted February 26, 2017 Author Posted February 26, 2017 When I get this problem I end up reinstalling Skyrim . Latest version of Skyrim not SE - seems very stable . Try running this little program ( NETIMMERSE OVERRIDE CLEANER ) . Its a very easy to use program , just down load and in stall to your desktop . It cleans SKSE saves has they bloat very fast and reduces the size of your saves removing bloating . Its on labs maybe on nexus not sure . Well I downloaded and ran Netimmerse Override Cleaner and it cleaned a ton of bloating but I still get the same crashes Skyrim re-installation would be the last thing I'd try since I have 249 mods installed it would just take a whole day to install everything again... Thanks for trying to help tho! If a door is part open this is mainly caused by an NPC getting stuck , I click the door to shut it -back away - run wait for 24 hours then go through the door . Sometimes if having this problem use consul type tfc or tcl cant remember . Remove collision go through door then back then reenter door then restart collision once cell as loaded . Hmmh you might have replied in the wrong post here friend since this is nowhere close ot my problems ^^'
LazyBoot Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 Have you tried if it crashes if you save as well?
HitsujiNoKon Posted February 26, 2017 Author Posted February 26, 2017 Have you tried if it crashes if you save as well? Yes, I forgot to update the post with this info but it crashes if I save as well. But for the load/wait/sleep crash I don't believe it is related to saving since I used Autosave Manager to disable the autosaves before doing these actions. Or maybe Autosave Manager isn't doing its job well, dunno.
Guest Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 1.) Are you using NMM? If you're then most likely you messed up your Skyrim install the simple answer is reinstall everything and learn to use MO. 2.) Do these problems persist when you start a new game? If the answer is yes then its a problem with another mod answer remove mods until you find out which mod if you're not using MO remove all files from said mod scripts etc or just GET Mod Organizer. 3.) vAutosaveManager.esp Autosaves are bad ok make sure to uninstall this and in your skyrim.ini or prefs make sure autosaves are turned off completely. 4.) Don't remove mods, re-order mods or re-run bashed patch during a playthrough or else you're going to have a bad time I would also recommend not to add mods during a playthrough but it is less likely too affect your game depending on the mod.
HitsujiNoKon Posted February 26, 2017 Author Posted February 26, 2017 1.) Are you using NMM? If you're then most likely you messed up your Skyrim install the simple answer is reinstall everything and learn to use MO. 2.) Do these problems persist when you start a new game? If the answer is yes then its a problem with another mod answer remove mods until you find out which mod if you're not using MO remove all files from said mod scripts etc or just GET Mod Organizer. 3.) vAutosaveManager.esp Autosaves are bad ok make sure to uninstall this and in your skyrim.ini or prefs make sure autosaves are turned off completely. 4.) Don't remove mods, re-order mods or re-run bashed patch during a playthrough or else you're going to have a bad time I would also recommend not to add mods during a playthrough but it is less likely too affect your game depending on the mod. 1) Well yep I'm using NMM, so the problem might be here. 2) Nope iit seems to work fine when I start a new game. 3) Well I should have disabled them in the INI in place of installing this mod since I installed it mainly to disable the saves '^^ 4) Well, I have a hard time NOT installing new mods during my playthrough sadly, I just don't want to start from scratch when I discover a new mod and stuff, but I get it, it's dangerous. Well so I guess I should do a full-wipe then re-install Skyirm and use MO to install my mods then since NMM seems to be the devil. Thanks for your answer, I think I'm gonna try to re-install tomorrow.
Guest Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 2.) if it works on a new game then your mods might be fine more testing is required though as it might happen when the mod has time to run or you just uninstalled mods mid playtrhough etc etc. 3.) That mod I looked through the comments and alot of people seemed to have similiar issues as yourself, its always a good idea to check the last update time of a mod and to see the comments being said about it. 4.) Thats fine im the same way lol but just be careful on what mods you choose to add anything that changes like vanilla quests or anything that add navmeshes etc you don't really want to install. and if you need help or have question with MO installing how to use i can do a rundown of everything.
HitsujiNoKon Posted February 26, 2017 Author Posted February 26, 2017 2.) if it works on a new game then your mods might be fine more testing is required though as it might happen when the mod has time to run or you just uninstalled mods mid playtrhough etc etc. 3.) That mod I looked through the comments and alot of people seemed to have similiar issues as yourself, its always a good idea to check the last update time of a mod and to see the comments being said about it. 4.) Thats fine im the same way lol but just be careful on what mods you choose to add anything that changes like vanilla quests or anything that add navmeshes etc you don't really want to install. and if you need help or have question with MO installing how to use i can do a rundown of everything. Hum yep, but I think I'll just re-install everything, I'm done with testing and tinkering for now xD I installed this mod after these crashes started btw, because I wanted to test if the autosaving was the problem, so it's likely that it's not the source. But yep, I usually always read the comments before installing, even more when the mod is not maintained anymore. As for installing mods mid-playtrough, yeah, I try not to install huge overhauls or stuff that chnages quests too much etc obv It seems like MO have a nice tutorial/wiki from what I've seen so I'll stick to that. If I have questions/issues not addressed by the wiki I would send you a pm Thanks again, will update tomorrow after installing everything.
imanoldiaz12 Posted February 28, 2017 Posted February 28, 2017 1.) Are you using NMM? If you're then most likely you messed up your Skyrim install the simple answer is reinstall everything and learn to use MO. 2.) Do these problems persist when you start a new game? If the answer is yes then its a problem with another mod answer remove mods until you find out which mod if you're not using MO remove all files from said mod scripts etc or just GET Mod Organizer. 3.) vAutosaveManager.esp Autosaves are bad ok make sure to uninstall this and in your skyrim.ini or prefs make sure autosaves are turned off completely. 4.) Don't remove mods, re-order mods or re-run bashed patch during a playthrough or else you're going to have a bad time I would also recommend not to add mods during a playthrough but it is less likely too affect your game depending on the mod. Hey, i have problems too, sorry for quote you to this but no one answer my thread, no one even open the thread i think i have experience, but i can't figure out why my game is unstable, it crashes randomly, near whiterun, near abandoned prison, near anywhere, saves open sometimes, sometimes not. i've installed step by step mods with their requeriments, all up to date, cleaned with TES5Edit and sorted plugins with LOOT. this is my load order, could you help me please? 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 SexLab.esm 7 7 SexLabAroused.esm 8 8 hdtHighHeel.esm 9 9 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 10 a CreatureFramework.esm 11 b PubicMeshColorRE.esm 12 c ZaZAnimationPack.esm 13 d XN_Ciris Sword.esp 14 e dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 15 f Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 16 10 SkyUI.esp 17 11 FNIS.esp 18 12 FNISspells.esp 19 13 VioLens.esp 20 14 FNIS_PCEA2.esp 21 15 Toccata.esp 22 16 Vivace.esp 23 17 BTRH_Serana.esp 24 18 BTRH_Valerica.esp 25 19 Carlotta.esp 26 1a Hulda.esp 27 1b Irileth.esp 28 1c Karliah.esp 29 1d Lisette.esp 30 1e Rikke.esp 31 1f Sapphire.esp 32 20 Tonilia.esp 33 21 BW Beleval.esp 34 22 BW Ingjard.esp 35 23 Frea.esp 36 24 Adelaisa.esp 37 25 Aela.esp 38 26 Annekke.esp 39 27 BW Aranea.esp 40 28 BW Borgakh.esp 41 29 BW Brelyna.esp 42 2a BW Delphine.esp 43 2b BW Eola.esp 44 2c BW Illia.esp 45 2d BW Iona.esp 46 2e BW Jenassa.esp 47 2f BW Lydia.esp 48 30 BW Njada Stonearm.esp 49 31 BW Ria.esp 50 32 Jordis.esp 51 33 Mjoll.esp 52 34 Rayya.esp 53 35 Ugor.esp 54 36 Uthgerd.esp 55 37 Camilla.esp 56 38 Sylgja.esp 57 39 Taarie.esp 58 3a Temba.esp 59 3b Ysolda.esp 60 3c AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 61 3d RaceMenu.esp 62 3e RaceMenuPlugin.esp 63 3f RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp 64 40 SexLabMatchMaker.esp 65 41 KS Hairdo's.esp 66 42 Shoei.esp 67 43 SexLabDefeat.esp 68 44 SexLabTools.esp 69 45 SexLabNudeCreatures.esp 70 46 SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp 71 47 SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp 72 48 HentaiCreatures.esp 73 49 Wolfbikini.esp 74 4a ESO Breton Knight by NewrMind43.esp 75 4b BladesBikini.esp 76 4c TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 77 4d Outfit Switcher.esp 78 4e Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp 79 4f XPMSE.esp 80 50 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 81 51 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 82 52 sr_FillHerUp.esp 83 53 SLAnimLoader.esp 84 54 Ciri's DLC Outfit.esp 85 55 CiriHair.esp 86 56 SLAL_K4Anims.esp 87 57 NibblesAnimObjects.esp 88 58 SLALAnimObj.esp 89 59 MoreNastyCritters.esp 90 5a UIExtensions.esp 91 5b AddItemMenu.esp 92 5c Anal Torch.esp 93 5d Extended Slider Colors.esp 94 5e 12FemaleBrows.esp 95 5f KS Hairdos - HDT.esp 96 60 RailLight.esp 97 61 SexLab_SOS-Stapon.esp 98 62 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp 99 63 SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp 100 64 CiriOutfit.esp and i'm using NMM.
HitsujiNoKon Posted February 28, 2017 Author Posted February 28, 2017 awesome good luck too you! Well I reinstalled everything but I still cannot save. The wait/sleep/exiting my home now works tho, thanks to me disabling the autosaving features obviously. I gotta find a save file guru since it seems than like all of my recent saves are corrupted. EDIT : Ok I think I found the culprit : OSA. I could load and SAVE a file where I never installed OSA (I removed OSA because I installed SexLab and that seems to be the problem). EDIT2 : Some guy in the OSA comments on Nexus had the same issue, he kinda fixed it so I did the same thing he did : I reinstalled OSA but disabled the ESM and I restored a backup of a save where I did not clean orphaned scripts from OSA. Apparently OSA bundles 3 scripts (_oOmni, a book one and a faction one) that you need to be able to save if you ever installed OSA. So I'm gonna mark this as solved I guess. So, morality : OSA should never be installed in your game. Or it should never be removed if you ever installed it. General morality is do not uninstall script-heavy mods mid-playtrough I guess!
Guest Posted February 28, 2017 Posted February 28, 2017 awesome good luck too you! Well I reinstalled everything but I still cannot save. The wait/sleep/exiting my home now works tho, thanks to me disabling the autosaving features obviously. I gotta find a save file guru since it seems than like all of my recent saves are corrupted. EDIT : Ok I think I found the culprit : OSA. I could load and SAVE a file where I never installed OSA (I removed OSA because I installed SexLab and that seems to be the problem). EDIT2 : Some guy in the OSA comments on Nexus had the same issue, he kinda fixed it so I did the same thing he did : I reinstalled OSA but disabled the ESM and I restored a backup of a save where I did not clean orphaned scripts from OSA. Apparently OSA bundles 3 scripts (_oOmni, a book one and a faction one) that you need to be able to save if you ever installed OSA. So I'm gonna mark this as solved I guess. So, morality : OSA should never be installed in your game. Or it should never be removed if you ever installed it. General morality is do not uninstall script-heavy mods mid-playtrough I guess! No mod should ever be removed once put in your game also trying to fix a broken save just isn't possible once them stack dumps start hitting and missing references etc etc from uninstalled mods its toast. You have to be mad in thinking its salvageable my advice too you is test out your mods first see how they play out before you commit to an actual playthrough. Did you even try MO out?
HitsujiNoKon Posted February 28, 2017 Author Posted February 28, 2017 awesome good luck too you! Well I reinstalled everything but I still cannot save. The wait/sleep/exiting my home now works tho, thanks to me disabling the autosaving features obviously. I gotta find a save file guru since it seems than like all of my recent saves are corrupted. EDIT : Ok I think I found the culprit : OSA. I could load and SAVE a file where I never installed OSA (I removed OSA because I installed SexLab and that seems to be the problem). EDIT2 : Some guy in the OSA comments on Nexus had the same issue, he kinda fixed it so I did the same thing he did : I reinstalled OSA but disabled the ESM and I restored a backup of a save where I did not clean orphaned scripts from OSA. Apparently OSA bundles 3 scripts (_oOmni, a book one and a faction one) that you need to be able to save if you ever installed OSA. So I'm gonna mark this as solved I guess. So, morality : OSA should never be installed in your game. Or it should never be removed if you ever installed it. General morality is do not uninstall script-heavy mods mid-playtrough I guess! No mod should ever be removed once put in your game also trying to fix a broken save just isn't possible once them stack dumps start hitting and missing references etc etc from uninstalled mods its toast. You have to be mad in thinking its salvageable my advice too you is test out your mods first see how they play out before you commit to an actual playthrough. Did you even try MO out? Well obviously no mod should be removed mid-playthrough but I'm just a dumb modder who just want to change his mods while playing sadly. I know lot of shit happens obv. Yup my mods are now all installed using MO after doing a clean wipe of Skyrim. Well, I found the "fix" anyway so all's fine
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