Beginning creation on something new, need input / suggestions (succubus / incubus)

[Shaydow]

So ok, most of you probably don't know me, but there might be a few of you familiar with my mods. In this case, My Vampire Lord overhaul and my Celestials mod, both here on LL. Anyway for a long time now I had been toying with the idea of creating a Succubus type transformation out of the existing Vampire Lord in game, and I finally got around to starting to build it. Currently it is using my Vampire Lord Overhaul mod as the base framework, as well as an unreleased ( as of yet ) addon for Celestials ( so also Celestials ). It is also using 2 other mods not created by me, but I made them a dependency, so you would have to download them as well to get this one to work. They would not be included in my release. Anyway all of these have so far added up to this :

 

 

A Vampire Lord rename Celestial Succubus. Descriptions adjusted accordingly from Vampire Lords.

 

No changes to anything that calls on Vampire Lords. In Example : Harkon's quest will still work, the bloodstone chalice will still work, the vampire lord rings, etc.

 

The ability to retain your characters appearance, as well as customize your armor looks, when transforming.

 

Since it is using my vampire lord overhaul mod as the framework, you will also no longer run around as a brutish imp when transformed. 

 

The ability to fly. Wings will ONLY appear when flying.

When flying you can still use all your spells! ( but not unarmed currently ). Mana costs greatly increased when flying to retain balance.

 

Unlike Vampire Lords, Celestial Succubus may transform at any time in any place. Non hostile NPC will remain so unless attacked, just as they would in any normal situation. Hostile NPCs attack as normal. Basically, feel free to transform in the middle of Whiterun surrounded by guards. They won't care. Bandits for an example however will still attack you, since, you know, they are bandits.

 

The ability to interact with most objects ( pull chains, open doors / chests, etc ).

 

Using the addon WIP for Celestials, called CelestialsReborn, players will no longer be granted the powers of a Celestial at the start of the game / install of the mod, but will instead have to create all the spells and abilities using gathered ingredients. Some of these spells after having been crafted by the player as their normal race and added to the spellbook will then appear and be usable by the Celestial Succubus. Not all spells will be usable however, for balance / bug reasons. An example would be crafting the Devil Knight Flame Cloak, a toggle ability that surrounds you with flame, causing fire damage to yourself every second, but greatly increasing your mana regen. Once crafted this ability will also then appear on the Celestial Succubus ( Vampire Lord ) abilities list and be usable.

 

Since Vampire Lords can't use the world map, I've added in the ability for them ( or in this case the Succubus ) to have access to a teleport spell when transformed. You will not have to change out of Vampire Lord form to go from say Whiterun to Solitude but will instead cast a spell to take you there.

 

 

Ok now here is what I have added in terms of Succubus type stuff :

 

You do NOT have to be a vampire for your character to transform into a Celestial Succubus. Other ways to gain the ability to transform will be made available for those that do not wish for Harkon / Serana to turn them into a Vampire. THE DAWNGUARD DLC WILL BE REQUIRED HOWEVER FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

 

An Oblivion type chameleon like spell. Not full invisibility but close. If you use my celestials mod think Shaydow Knight Cloak, only with a different effect shader.

 

A usable heal spell.

 

A LARGE speech increase. A character transformed into a Celestial Succubus should almost always succeed in persuasion attempts. Buying and selling prices are better when transformed ( you can buy and sell when transformed ).

 

Small bonus to unarmed damage.

 

If using the Better Vampires mod, you will be able to feed when transformed into a Succubus on anyone you have recently killed, adding to the feed counter. All Better Vampires Mod abilities and effects you have chosen when you installed the mod will be made available to your Celestial Succubus when transformed, regardless if your character is a vampire or not.

 

 

Ok and finally here is a few ideas I been kicking around adding :

 

A Strong Mass AoE Calm spell ( subdue ).

 

Craftable Spells to summon unarmed weapons such as claws that would increase your melee damage.

 

 

AFTER ALL THAT, what I'm looking for in responses is any ideas for spells perks and gameplay adjustments you guys think would fit thematically. Anything you think would fit? Don't go overboard though, I have to actually be able to CREATE the idea or it's no good. Keep in mind as well BALANCE, something I try to keep in all mods ( we don't want to add something stupidly OP ). 

 

I also will not be making this mod for the sex mod stuff, so please don't ask. Once released if someone wanted to make it compatible through a patch or whatever then I wouldn't care, but I won't do it, so please bear this in mind when posting an idea / suggestion.

 

 

Work on finalizing this mod will begin on the 12th, and I hope to be able to create a video then showcasing it as wip until it is done.

 

Thanks for taking the time to read.

[Shaydow]

Well ok, I decided a few things after having the chance to mess around a bit the other day with things.

 

 

The mod will not be using / dependent on my Celestials / Reborn mod. It will be using either existing vanilla Skyrim spells / abilities or ones created specifically for the mod.

 

The only dependency ( other then offical dlc ) will be optional for teleport. Final version will have 2 esp options, one with teleport required to download and one without.

 

I will be rebuilding the framework from the ground up, rather then using my existing VampireLord Overhaul. There are multiple reasons to do this, but it will take longer to finish the mod.

 

 

 

So yeah, that's about what some of my rough tests have shown I need to do. I'm still looking for feedback. 

 

I also would like feedback on the following : How many of you are using Better Vampires by Brehanin? Would you like the idea for your Vampire Lord to have access to the spells and abilities granted by that mod? If so what ones do you think would fit thematically and not be overpowered to the form?

 

 

ALSO : I HAVE DECIDED THAT THIS MOD WILL HAVE A MALE VERSION AS WELL BEFORE RELEASE! YES I WON'T USE IT AND YES IT WILL BE TWICE AS MUCH WORK TO GET DONE, BUT AFTER HAVING LOOKED OVER THE OPTIONS FOR VAMPIRE LORD REPLACERS OUT THERE, AS WELL AS MY OWN VAMPIRE LORD OVERHAUL HERE ON LL, I REALIZE MALE CHARACTERS ARE GETTING THE SHAFT! ( pun intended ). FEAR NOT THOSE OF YOU WHO PLAY MALES, SOON YOUR DREAMS OF CUSTOMIZING YOUR VAMPIRE LORD LIKE ALL THOSE THAT PLAY FEMALE CHARACTERS GET TO DO SHALL COME TRUE!

 

​I was thinking of calling the male version an Incubus. As of yet I have no idea what kind of default options to include in terms of looks, I don't make male armors / skins etc, never have. If anyone has any ideas let me know. If you can come up with something from the vanilla game / DLC's that would be even better.

 

[imgww]

Succubus, but no sex mod stuff? Or do you mean no interaction with SexLab?

 

This is in the non-adult section, so that's kinda like making a Bruce Lee mod without having any kung fu violence. xD I can't make any suggestions since I don't really understand the intent behind this.

[tomparis1999]

I've been hoping for somebody to do something like that for a while. I loved your celestial mods, i'm sure this one will be awesome.

 

I would suggest things around illusion and mental manipulation
Sleep inducement : Target will fall asleep for x sec
Kiss enslavement : target up to level xx will fight for you for x sec
Kiss of death : Target will loose xx HP instantaneously (works on humanoid only)

Resuscitation : You can bring back to life any life form for a high cost in stamina, magika and health

Conjure the specter of Dibella : all eyes will be turned toward this spectral being of immense beauty for X sec

[Visix]

Succubus, but no sex mod stuff? Or do you mean no interaction with SexLab?

 

This is in the non-adult section, so that's kinda like making a Bruce Lee mod without having any kung fu violence. xD I can't make any suggestions since I don't really understand the intent behind this.

 

Agree . If there are no "lewd" then there are no succubus .

 

OP , If you going to replace the vampire lord then it better be something like dragonoid. You know we are dragonborn right ?