CTD on startup with no mods installed

Elswyr · June 20, 2016

Hey guys

(disclaimer: i'm not english so please bare with me)

A few month back i decided to play vanilla skyrim you know i was feeling a little bit nostagilc and i wanted to see if it was still fun!

so i decided to create a new profile with mod organizer (at a time i had 3 profiles, one default, one normal which had a few mods, and one called "tropical" that was fully modded 50 gb worth of mods) and i named it "vanilla skyrim" i switched over from my other profile and i played on it roughly for a week.

after that i decided to swtich back to my modded profile called "tropical" and guess what it didn't wortk , it just kept crashing over and over.

I tried:

installing skse again (didn't wortk)

Installing Mod Organizer again in a different folder so it wouldn't interfere with my previous installataion, and switch the mod folder out and the profile folders ( didn't work )

Deleteting the enb (didn't wortk)

I used LOOT to check if there were any missing masters,IMT or deleted references that could cause the ctd i found some and i fixed them (didn't work)

I tried disabling every mod see if it works (didn't work)

And the only message i get from the logs is this one :

[06/20/2016 - 05:20:02PM] Papyrus log opened (PC)

[06/20/2016 - 05:20:02PM] Function GetEffectMagnitudes in the empty state on type Ingredient does not exist. Function will not be flagged as callable from tasklets.

[06/20/2016 - 05:20:02PM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms)

[06/20/2016 - 05:20:02PM] Memory page: 128 (min) 512 (max) 76800 (max total)

Here is my Load order

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
daymoyl.esm
Evil Lair of Hydra.esm
fox_shop.esm
FoxHome_X.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
Heels Sound.esm
NPCs of Dibella - Resources.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
SexLab - Sexual Fame [sLSF].esm
SexLab.esm
SGHairPackBase.esm
SummerWear.esm
TERAArmors.esm
UndergroundBathhouse.esm
Vampire Slavers Den v2.0.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
0SACT.esp
7B_DragonbornArmors.esp
AddItemMenu.esp
Alternate Start - Live A Deviant Life.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
AlynShirArmor.esp
AncientDraugr.esp
AncientTonguesGreatSword.esp
AncientTonguesSword.esp
Aradia Cross Armor.esp
Aradia Devious Expansion.esp
AradiaRogueArmor.esp
ASX_Spells.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp
Backstab Enchantment new.esp
BandedIronBikini.esp
BarbarianExplorer.esp
BBP_ArmorPack.esp
BBP_ArmorPack2.esp
BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp
BiHai.esp
Bikini-MTM.esp
Biscuits Pack.esp
BladeNSoul GZRY.esp
BladesBikini.esp
Blaqk_Horizon's_Claymore_Gear.esp
Brows.esp
Cazy Hairs-by zzjay.esp
Chaconne.esp
Chakaru 1001 Nights.esp
CharmingHighHeels.esp
ChongJiaoTuanJG.esp
Ciri's DLC Outfit.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp
Crimson Assassin.esp
Dadag Sexy Summer.esp
DaedricChainsuit.esp
DanarielStormbow.esp
DCSorceress.esp
dD - Easy Lift Bodies and Objects.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
DF_T19.esp
DF_T33.esp
Diguojun.esp
Dongjiliange.esp
DonMichHeels.esp
DonMichHeelsstock.esp
DragonBoneBikini.esp
Drow Ranger.esp
DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp
Earrings Set1.esp
Ebon Shroud - 7B BBP.esp
Edhildils Necrowitch.esp
Elewin Jewelry.esp
Elewin Pumps 2.esp
Elewin Sunglasses.esp
ELFX - Weathers.esp
Emfy Cleric Robes.esp
EnhancedBlood-ImprovedCombatSounds.esp
Eyes of Aber.esp
EyviFollower.esp
Facelight.esp
FalmerBikini.esp
FemaleUlfric.esp
FengHuaZhengMao.esp
Fire Butterfly.esp
FNIS.esp
Follower Onean.esp
Forbidden Ebony Armor.esp
fox39 Armor.esp
fox7 Armor.esp
FoxMerged.esp
FreckleMania.esp
FreecameramovementThrones - DLC - Alt.esp
FS_UltimateAssortment.esp
GangMen Nurse.esp
GhostArmor.esp
Gothic Mistress Armor.esp
Halo's Poser.esp
HDT Piercingsets.esp
HDTHair_Luckystars.esp
HeiJun.esp
HeiTianZhao.esp
HelmetToggle2.02b.esp
hetai china dress.esp
HuaWuHen.esp
Huayangnianhua.esp
I Love Cleavage 7B.esp
iLuvLoading.esp
ImmerSlave.esp
ImmerslaveRequiemBountyFix.esp
Infernal Armor.esp
InstantMining.esp
JinGang.esp
K2 HDT Boots - AMB Variants.esp
K2 HDT Boots.esp
K2JiggleHarness.esp
Katarina.esp
kaz doa_nyo_suit_1.esp
KCEScytheOfDeath.esp
Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp
Killable Children.esp
KillBill.esp
KJ Tattoos 4K.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
KS Jewelry.esp
La Mer.esp
Lady Raven.esp
Lamae.esp
LoksEyes.esp
LunariWarriors.esp
Lydie Follower.esp
Mango.esp
Merta Assassin Armor.esp
Merta Black Rose Armor.esp
MidnightBreed.esp
MikanEyes All in one.esp
Moniko.esp
Nakrulz's Latex Corset.esp
nem-e5i5's RaceMenuPlugin.esp
NewmillerSuccubusBikini.esp
NewmillerSuccubusBoots.esp
NightshadeSuit.esp
NIOVHH.esp
Nisit.esp
Nocturnal.esp
NonSexLabAnimationPack.esp
Northgirl.esp
NPCs of Dibella - Females.esp
Olive.esp
Oriental Weapon&Armor.esp
Osare HeadPhone 2nd.esp
PeroPeroArmorPack2.esp
Poser Sweet Lolita.esp
Predator Vision.esp
Priestess of Dibella.esp
Prison.esp
qayl.esp
Qianhunyi.esp
QingLang.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuOverlayCompilation - UNP.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
Rachel Nurse Outfit.esp
Ranger's Kyrill Armor.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RedBird.esp
RegnPiercings.esp
RenHair.esp
RippedBodySuit.esp
RosaFollower.esp
S&D black temptation.esp
S&D summer.esp
S-Outfit.esp
S_L_U_T_S.esp
sanguinesDebauchery.esp
SassyTeen.esp
Satan_maid.esp
Scarlett Johansson Head.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp
SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp
SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp
SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp
SeaPointSettlement.esp
Seductress Serana.esp
SeraphineHuntedArmor.esp
Serenity.esp
SexLab_Dialogues.esp
SexLabDefeat.esp
Sexy Armor Replacer Patch.esp
SexyVest.esp
SFO - Dragonborn.esp
SGHairPackAIO.esp
Shiny Catsuits.esp
Simple Armor.esp
SimpleSlavery.esp
sjel blad castle.esp
SkinTight.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets.esp
SkyUI.esp
slaverun.esp
Slaverun_Reloaded.esp
Slaverun_Reloaded_Comments.esp
SlaverunEnforcer.esp
SlaveTats.esp
SLbikini.esp
SLbikini_BigCats.esp
Slutty Christmas Mashup.esp
SMDR Cat Lingerie.esp
SofiaFollower.esp
Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp
Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp
SPB Heart Girl.esp
SPB Ribbon 15.esp
SPB_B Hunter.esp
SteelBikini.esp
SteelPlateBikini.esp
Strap.esp
Succubui Enemies +.esp
SuccubusRaceLite.esp
SummerWearSA.esp
SwampApprentice.esp
ta4_ris.esp
tailed_dildo_FV20.esp
TERA Weapons.esp
Tera_Monokini.esp
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
The Mistress.esp
The Ningheim.esp
The Scout Normal Version.esp
The Scout OP Version.esp
TheCoenaculiUNP.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
TisseFollower.esp
Tiwa44_Minidresses.esp
Tiwa44_Minidresses_Dragonborn.esp
TMSG.esp
TMSGface.esp
TreestumpConversions.esp
ub_cell_cavern.esp
ub_cell_darkarea.esp
ub_cell_teleportroom.esp
ub_invite_any_npc.esp
ub_tapestry.esp
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
UIExtensions.esp
Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
WildHuntressSnow.esp
Wolfbikini.esp
xazPrisonOverhaul - Patch.esp
xazPrisonOverhaul.esp
XiNafay - Kitty Corset.esp
XPMSE.esp
yangyang_BlackWidow.esp
Yongyi.esp
YouLan.esp
yurica_summerdress [HDT].esp
ZhenHunGe.esp
Zhuliya.esp
Zipsuit.esp
ZoyaFollower.esp
Zwabber_Kaylin.esp
StylishOutfit.esp
Highschool Hunny Mashup.esp
OBIS.esp
1RTVaultDwellerMashup.esp
WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esp
Tropicalpack.esp

I appreciate all the help you can give me thanks in advance

Tefajo · June 20, 2016

Ok

Can you tell me if you crash

- before start up menu

- When choosing continue / load / new game

- Random Crashes while playing after a few minutes

BTW, the tittle is a bit misleading since you are trying to play your "tropical" profile wich has mods

Elswyr · June 20, 2016

Ok

Can you tell me if you crash

- before start up menu

- When choosing continue / load / new game

- Random Crashes while playing after a few minutes

BTW, the tittle is a bit misleading since you are trying to play your "tropical" profile wich has mods

I crash after the bethesda logo

Yeah i know the title is a bit misleading but my game crashes no matter what if i try to play on that profile

Eth4rlad · June 20, 2016

I used LOOT to check if there were any missing masters

I haven't used LOOT since forever because it's a trainwreck, but that's how it's sorting it?

Putting Sexual Fame.esm above Sexlab.esm despite the dependency or Alternate Start - Live A Deviant Life.esp in front of Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp ?

I crash after the bethesda logo

Clear sign that dependencies are missing.

Elswyr · June 20, 2016

I used LOOT to check if there were any missing masters

I haven't used LOOT since forever because it's a trainwreck, but that's how it's sorting it?

Putting Sexual Fame.esm above Sexlab.esm despite the dependency or Alternate Start - Live A Deviant Life.esp in front of Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp ?

I crash after the bethesda logo

Clear sign that dependencies are missing.

I guess loot is a trainwreck i always sort my load order with loot

Eth4rlad · June 20, 2016

I guess loot is a trainwreck i always sort my load order with loot

Yeah, this Loadorder is kind of all over the Place.

When you crash at the Beth-logo it's a surefire sign dependencies are missing. Neither LOOT nor MO are giving any errors? Odd.

I'm currently working my way through your loadorder looking for more evident problems but that might take some time.

Elswyr · June 20, 2016

I guess loot is a trainwreck i always sort my load order with loot

Yeah, this Loadorder is kind of all over the Place.

When you crash at the Beth-logo it's a surefire sign dependencies are missing. Neither LOOT nor MO are giving any errors? Odd.

I'm currently working my way through your loadorder looking for more evident problems but that might take some time.

Nope neither Loot nor MO give me any error , hell i even checked with boss and it says that i have no errors aswell

http://prntscr.com/birgj3 you can check for yourself

Eth4rlad · June 20, 2016

273 active Plugins

That and this loadorder and i'm frankly amazed that that profile ever worked

Sorinade · June 20, 2016

Loot is giving you 16 warnings... plus you have 273 plugins - the max is 255 (or 254).

That isn't your load order. It can't be, as it's alphabetical (almost). Which it shouldn't be, in any manner.

Alternate start should be very close to the bottom, if not bottom - that load order shows it near the top.

Worth looking into this - "Merge Plugins Standalone Tool". It allows you to merge a lot of mods into packs to reduce your plugin count.

Armours/clothing mods are great candidates for it.

Elswyr · June 20, 2016

273 active Plugins

That and this loadorder and i'm frankly amazed that that profile ever worked

Honestly my loot order wasn't always like this, but since my game kept crashing i figured "hey let's give it a try" and i pressed the sort button :lol: .

i can restore an old backup if you think that's better

Loot is giving you 16 warnings... plus you have 273 plugins - the max is 255 (or 254).

That isn't your load order. It can't be, as it's alphabetical (almost). Which it shouldn't be, in any manner.

Alternate start should be very close to the bottom, if not bottom - that load order shows it near the top.

Worth looking into this - "Merge Plugins Standalone Tool". It allows you to merge a lot of mods into packs to reduce your plugin count.

Armours/clothing mods are great candidates for it.

or i can just disable some mods , but that's not the point :/ my game crashes whether i have that many mods activated or not.

wow1337 · June 20, 2016

Some ideas:

Don't use the sort button, use a new loot installation (not 100% sure if that's better but read it somewhere)
Check the Mod Organizer logs. (delete all in the "log" folder, start Skyrim, wait for the crash). Sometimes the last lines before the crash can point to a faulty mod.
Are there any [!] in the plugin list?
Remember, the order on left side of Mod Organizer is very important too. It defines which file is overwrite.
Check your plugins again, your list seems very alphabetical. For example, alternate stars should be at the very end (according to my loot thingy here)
Brute force a solution. Nah, use the smart way Binary search! deactivate half of you mods, check if it works, deactivate the other half. When you know which half caused the problem, deactivate the half of that etc..
If it crashes without ANY mode, delete everything but the big data files and verify the installation in steam.

Elswyr · June 20, 2016

Some ideas:

Don't use the sort button, use a new loot installation (not 100% sure if that's better but read it somewhere)

Check the Mod Organizer logs. (delete all in the "log" folder, start Skyrim, wait for the crash). Sometimes the last lines before the crash can point to a faulty mod.

Are there any [!] in the plugin list?

Remember, the order on left side of Mod Organizer is very important too. It defines which file is overwrite.

Check your plugins again, your list seems very alphabetical. For example, alternate stars should be at the very end (according to my loot thingy here)

Brute force a solution. Nah, use the smart way Binary search! deactivate half of you mods, check if it works, deactivate the other half. When you know which half caused the problem, deactivate the half of that etc..

If it crashes without ANY mode, delete everything but the big data files and verify the installation in steam.

No there weren't and i managed to fix the problem ( not entirely )

i basically made a new profile and activated the same mods that i had in the "tropical" profile then i copied from the tropical folder the loadorder txt and pasted it in the new profile that i made , the games still a little bit messy but i managed to make it work and it looks almost as good as it looked before

thanks for all the help :shy:

Tefajo · June 20, 2016

- Game cant run with more than 255 plugins , it will crash. You need to select what you are going to use

- Delete all your profiles and just leave the "Default". Go into the folder ... \mod organizer\profiles\Default\ and check you properly have these files:

- skyrim.ini

- skyrimprefs.ini

- archives.txt

- initweaks.ini

- loadorder.txt

- lockedorder.txt

- modlist.txt

- plugins.txt

- Since Loot doesnt work properly you will have to sort it manually.

You need to come out with a "structure" as reference. I can give you an example, but it wont be perfect. I just think that having mods ordered by category might be a better idea than having them installed by alphabetical order.

Do this in both left panel (installation order) and right panel (plugin order)

ESM FILES

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

Hearthfire.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch (if you dont have it download it and install it)

Sexlab.esm

[ Rest of your esm Files ]

ESP FILES OR TEXTURE MODS WITH NO ESP (Make sure all your mods have a category (if they dont, add it manually)

- Individual patches and bugfixes for the main game (that are not a dependant of another mod, for example dont put here a compatibilty patch)

- Visuals (Textures mods, Lighting mods)

- Mods that add weapons, spells, armors, clothing, etc

- Mods that modify enviroment (birds, critters, creatures, sky, sun, weather, etc)

- Mods that modify landscape (Adds Flora, trees, rocks, montains, water, etc)

- Mods that alter cities and add player homes

- Realistic Ragdoll and force

- FNIS

- Body mods (UNP, CBBE, SOS, etc)

- Mods that add player assets (Racemenu, Hairs, Wigs, Skin Textures, etc)

- Mods that alters NPCs (replacers)

- Mods that add NPC (follower)

- Sexlab Mods

- Gameplay and immersion mods (combat mods, Loot and degradation, frostfall, etc)

- XPMSE Skeleton

- Live Another life

- FNIS Output (files generated by FNIS)

- Bashed patch (if you use)

I am sure i missed a catergoy or someone else might come with a correction to this, just take it as a base and we can move fordward from there

Also bear in mind that if you have 2 mods that do the same you have to pick one, else you might have conflicts and / or you will only see the changes provided by the mod lower on the install / load order

Remember: You cant play with more than 255 plugins.

Many of the mods you have listed are outdated and currently exists the "legendary" version of them , wich makes you save 3 or 4 plugins in each case (for example, Climates of Tamriel)

Elswyr · June 21, 2016

- Game cant run with more than 255 plugins , it will crash. You need to select what you are going to use

- Delete all your profiles and just leave the "Default". Go into the folder ... \mod organizer\profiles\Default\ and check you properly have these files:

- skyrim.ini

- skyrimprefs.ini

- archives.txt

- initweaks.ini

- loadorder.txt

- lockedorder.txt

- modlist.txt

- plugins.txt

- Since Loot doesnt work properly you will have to sort it manually.

You need to come out with a "structure" as reference. I can give you an example, but it wont be perfect. I just think that having mods ordered by category might be a better idea than having them installed by alphabetical order.

Do this in both left panel (installation order) and right panel (plugin order)

ESM FILES

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

Hearthfire.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch (if you dont have it download it and install it)

Sexlab.esm

[ Rest of your esm Files ]

ESP FILES OR TEXTURE MODS WITH NO ESP (Make sure all your mods have a category (if they dont, add it manually)

- Individual patches and bugfixes for the main game (that are not a dependant of another mod, for example dont put here a compatibilty patch)

- Visuals (Textures mods, Lighting mods)

- Mods that add weapons, spells, armors, clothing, etc

- Mods that modify enviroment (birds, critters, creatures, sky, sun, weather, etc)

- Mods that modify landscape (Adds Flora, trees, rocks, montains, water, etc)

- Mods that alter cities and add player homes

- Realistic Ragdoll and force

- FNIS

- Body mods (UNP, CBBE, SOS, etc)

- Mods that add player assets (Racemenu, Hairs, Wigs, Skin Textures, etc)

- Mods that alters NPCs (replacers)

- Mods that add NPC (follower)

- Sexlab Mods

- Gameplay and immersion mods (combat mods, Loot and degradation, frostfall, etc)

- XPMSE Skeleton

- Live Another life

- FNIS Output (files generated by FNIS)

- Bashed patch (if you use)

I am sure i missed a catergoy or someone else might come with a correction to this, just take it as a base and we can move fordward from there

Also bear in mind that if you have 2 mods that do the same you have to pick one, else you might have conflicts and / or you will only see the changes provided by the mod lower on the install / load order

Remember: You cant play with more than 255 plugins.

Many of the mods you have listed are outdated and currently exists the "legendary" version of them , wich makes you save 3 or 4 plugins in each case (for example, Climates of Tamriel)

thank you so much this helped me alot

Although now i got a new bug, every time i try to load a save file "outside" my game crashes, if i'm in a closed space the game loads normally as if nothing happened , this is really weird.

Let's say i have a save file inside dragonsreach i have no problem loading. but i kinda get stuck in it neither me or the npcs can leave that place , if i try to leave it the game just crashes and when an npcs tries to leave that place he just gets kicked back into the room which gets him stuck in an endless loop of opening the door leaving the room for a few seconds and getting him kicked back into the room and so on ....

The same thing for this i have no mods activated except for Alternate Start - Live Another Life (it just makes it easier to test how stable my game is without that intro tutorial at helgen)

Tefajo · June 22, 2016

thank you so much this helped me alot

Although now i got a new bug, every time i try to load a save file "outside" my game crashes, if i'm in a closed space the game loads normally as if nothing happened , this is really weird.

Let's say i have a save file inside dragonsreach i have no problem loading. but i kinda get stuck in it neither me or the npcs can leave that place , if i try to leave it the game just crashes and when an npcs tries to leave that place he just gets kicked back into the room which gets him stuck in an endless loop of opening the door leaving the room for a few seconds and getting him kicked back into the room and so on ....

The same thing for this i have no mods activated except for Alternate Start - Live Another Life (it just makes it easier to test how stable my game is without that intro tutorial at helgen)

Ok, lets see

- You might have to realize that if you messed around with mods (removing, adding, etc) your save games are beyond recovery and you'll need to start a fresh new game

- Just for testing purposes, start a new game and see if the bug mentioned before still happens. This way we can disregard if the save game is corrupted and that the culprit might be something else

- Lets asume for a moment that both statements are false: Not being able to go outside and getting a CTD when trying is probably a memory allocation issue

Skyrim sucks a lot at memory usage since it has a lot of limitations.

First limitation is that TESV.exe has a heap maximum allocation of 256mb. This is solved by properly installing and setting SKSE.

Now, i want to make something very clear: If you have mods that require SKSE and they are working it doesnt mean that the memory allocation patch is either working or properly set.

With this in mind, i invite you to install this mod http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50471/? and run the test as described in this video

If you do not crash at block 256 it means that SKSE memory patch is working and we can move on to the ...

Second limitation is that the game as a whole can't use more than 3.1gb of system ram (some ppl say its 3.5gb, doesnt matter)

This is solved by using any ENB preset, since ENB client has a memory management system that will reduce bastly how much system ram the game uses

If your computer can't handle a ENB preset (because you get very low FPS) just use ENBoost http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/73618/?

Basically this is a ENB preset with all effects turned off. This way you get the "memory management" benefit without performance loss

Keep in mind that both solutions are not just a "install, drop and forget" ...

Yes, ...i am afraid that you actually will have to read and learn... i am sorry!

Edit: Grammar and spelling

Elswyr · June 22, 2016

thank you so much this helped me alot

Although now i got a new bug, every time i try to load a save file "outside" my game crashes, if i'm in a closed space the game loads normally as if nothing happened , this is really weird.

Let's say i have a save file inside dragonsreach i have no problem loading. but i kinda get stuck in it neither me or the npcs can leave that place , if i try to leave it the game just crashes and when an npcs tries to leave that place he just gets kicked back into the room which gets him stuck in an endless loop of opening the door leaving the room for a few seconds and getting him kicked back into the room and so on ....

The same thing for this i have no mods activated except for Alternate Start - Live Another Life (it just makes it easier to test how stable my game is without that intro tutorial at helgen)

Ok, lets see

- You might have to realize that if you messed around with mods (removing, adding, etc) your save games are beyond recovery and you'll need to start a fresh new game

- Just for testing purposes, start a new game and see if the bug mentioned before still happens. This way we can disregard if the save game is corrupted and that the culprit might be something else

- Lets asume for a moment that both statements are false: Not being able to go outside and getting a CTD when trying is probably a memory allocation issue

Skyrim sucks a lot at memory usage since it has a lot of limitations.

First limitation is that TESV.exe has a heap maximum allocation of 256mb. This is solved by properly installing and setting SKSE.

Now, i want to make something very clear: If you have mods that require SKSE and they are working it doesnt mean that the memory allocation patch is either working or properly set.

With this in mind, i invite you to install this mod http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50471/? and run the test as described in this video

If you do not crash at block 256 it means that SKSE memory patch is working and we can move on to the ...

Second limitation is that the game as a whole can't use more than 3.1gb of system ram (some ppl say its 3.5gb, doesnt matter)

This is solved by using any ENB preset, since ENB client has a memory management system that will reduce bastly how much system ram the game uses

If your computer can't handle a ENB preset (because you get very low FPS) just use ENBoost http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/73618/?

Basically this is a ENB preset with all effects turned off. This way you get the "memory management" benefit without performance loss

Keep in mind that both solutions are not just a "install, drop and forget" ...

Yes, ...i am afraid that you actually will have to read and learn... i am sorry!

Edit: Grammar and spelling

So the game crashes either if i play with an old save file or i make a new game

My game doesn't crash at block 256 (at least i think so) here are the logs

logging of blocks enabled

logging max values only

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then i just tried disabling just the enb, that didn't work either

I'm afraid i'll have to just make a new profile and start all over again....

Elswyr · June 22, 2016

thank you so much this helped me alot

Although now i got a new bug, every time i try to load a save file "outside" my game crashes, if i'm in a closed space the game loads normally as if nothing happened , this is really weird.

Let's say i have a save file inside dragonsreach i have no problem loading. but i kinda get stuck in it neither me or the npcs can leave that place , if i try to leave it the game just crashes and when an npcs tries to leave that place he just gets kicked back into the room which gets him stuck in an endless loop of opening the door leaving the room for a few seconds and getting him kicked back into the room and so on ....

The same thing for this i have no mods activated except for Alternate Start - Live Another Life (it just makes it easier to test how stable my game is without that intro tutorial at helgen)

Ok, lets see

- You might have to realize that if you messed around with mods (removing, adding, etc) your save games are beyond recovery and you'll need to start a fresh new game

- Just for testing purposes, start a new game and see if the bug mentioned before still happens. This way we can disregard if the save game is corrupted and that the culprit might be something else

- Lets asume for a moment that both statements are false: Not being able to go outside and getting a CTD when trying is probably a memory allocation issue

Skyrim sucks a lot at memory usage since it has a lot of limitations.

First limitation is that TESV.exe has a heap maximum allocation of 256mb. This is solved by properly installing and setting SKSE.

Now, i want to make something very clear: If you have mods that require SKSE and they are working it doesnt mean that the memory allocation patch is either working or properly set.

With this in mind, i invite you to install this mod http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50471/? and run the test as described in this video

If you do not crash at block 256 it means that SKSE memory patch is working and we can move on to the ...

Second limitation is that the game as a whole can't use more than 3.1gb of system ram (some ppl say its 3.5gb, doesnt matter)

This is solved by using any ENB preset, since ENB client has a memory management system that will reduce bastly how much system ram the game uses

If your computer can't handle a ENB preset (because you get very low FPS) just use ENBoost http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/73618/?

Basically this is a ENB preset with all effects turned off. This way you get the "memory management" benefit without performance loss

Keep in mind that both solutions are not just a "install, drop and forget" ...

Yes, ...i am afraid that you actually will have to read and learn... i am sorry!

Edit: Grammar and spelling

So the game crashes either if i play with an old save file or i make a new game

My game doesn't crash at block 256 (at least i think so) here are the logs

logging of blocks enabled

logging max values only

Timer disabled

Block1 Block2

256MB 256MB

85 8

85 8

85 9

85 10

85 11

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85 13

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then i just tried disabling just the enb, that didn't work either

I'm afraid i'll have to just make a new profile and start all over again....

Actually i have tried some things out and now my skyrim works outside too

i found that i hate two lightning overhauls that were in conflict "Realistic Lightning Overhaul" and "Enhanced Lights FX"

Now i get a new bug though , whenever i'm outside time passes way to fast , 1 sec it's day the other it's night , and so on , day - night - day - night - day - night

i've tried slowing down the day/night cycle in the console

Set timescale to 1 but it didn't wortk

Do you have something in mind that might fix it ?

Tefajo · June 22, 2016

Actually i have tried some things out and now my skyrim works outside too

i found that i hate two lightning overhauls that were in conflict "Realistic Lightning Overhaul" and "Enhanced Lights FX"

Now i get a new bug though , whenever i'm outside i get a glitch that when i look in the sky it's night time and when i look to the bottom it's day time

Did you divided / re arranged your mods by category? if you did so, why dont you check for more incompatibilies between mods?

If i had to take a guess about the sky thing it would be a weather mod.

You could try deleting your Climates of Tamriel 3.1 and update to CoT 5 and start a new game (and save tons of plugin space in the process)

And on a side note: now that you can actually go outside, if you get random CTDs or infinite load screens try the memory block test again (you crashed before reaching 256mb so there is no way to tell if the patch is working)

Elswyr · June 22, 2016

Actually i have tried some things out and now my skyrim works outside too

i found that i hate two lightning overhauls that were in conflict "Realistic Lightning Overhaul" and "Enhanced Lights FX"

Now i get a new bug though , whenever i'm outside i get a glitch that when i look in the sky it's night time and when i look to the bottom it's day time

Did you divided / re arranged your mods by category? if you did so, why dont you check for more incompatibilies between mods?

If i had to take a guess about the sky thing it would be a weather mod.

You could try deleting your Climates of Tamriel 3.1 and update to CoT 5 and start a new game (and save tons of plugin space in the process)

And on a side note: now that you can actually go outside, if you get random CTDs or infinite load screens try the memory block test again (you crashed before reaching 256mb so there is no way to tell if the patch is working)

So i found out what was causing the crashes

I had a few mods installed that made rain way more immersive like "truestorm" "wet & cold" "CoT"

That in combination with my ENB + The incopatibilities between the lightning mods made outside basically a disco show with rain so my game couldnìt keep with it and just crashed

and about that day/night cycle bug i think it's just a corruped save file in older save files that doesn't happen and it doesn't happen on new games either

The only bug that remains now is that the head is a little darker than usual but i think i can fix that on my own

Thanks for all the help dude ! ;D

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