lkl Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 I installed ACE and then Ordinator. I went out of my way to uninstall ACE because of a "Dirty Save" regarding the Dual Flurry Perk that was replaced and hopefully reinstall it later. The problem however was that I followed the instructions given by the ACE page and from that point on, my Skyrim saves has gotten complicated. It just CTDs with any mod that is either Ordinator or ACE. So it's like having two twins. One of them must go for the other to be fine or keep them both and something might go wrong. Though I hadn't run into much issue yet, by having them together. However that "Dirty Save" after affect kept bothering me. So is it safer to keep them both or is it better to get rid of one? Unless there's another solution that doesn't involve removing both. Also nothing shows up on LOOT. Edit: Okay, this goes beyond Ordinator and ACE. My mods aren't activating after starting a new game and I am not sure what's the cause of it. Although I would like to know what mods that were affected by this conundrum. Current Load Order Active Mod Files: • 00 Skyrim.esm • 01 Update.esm • • • Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.1.3b] • 02 Dawnguard.esm • • • Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.1.3b] • 03 HearthFires.esm • • • Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.1.3b] • 04 Dragonborn.esm • 05 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp [Version 3.0.0] • • • Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.1.3b] • 06 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm • 07 Falskaar.esm • 08 Wyrmstooth.esp [Version 1.16] • 09 hdtHighHeel.esm • 0A SGHairPackBase.esm • 0B Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm • 0C fox_shop.esm • 0D RaceCompatibility.esm • 0E MFVM.esm • 0F SexLab.esm [Version 1.61] • 10 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm • 11 ZaZAnimationPack.esm • 12 Devious Devices - Assets.esm [Version 2.8.3] • 13 SexLabAroused.esm [Version 2.6] • 14 Devious Devices - Integration.esm • 15 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm • 16 JackGaPub.esm • 17 ApachiiHair.esm • 18 brawlbug-plugin.esp • 19 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp • 1A Player Size Adjuster.esp • 1B HitStop.esp • 1C SkyUI.esp • 1D Customizable Camera.esp • 1E SGHairPackAIO.esp • 1F AMatterOfTime.esp [Version 2.00] • 20 UIExtensions.esp • 21 Animations.esp • 22 FNIS.esp • 23 AddItemMenu.esp • 24 When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 2.0.6] • 25 performance tree.esp • 26 RelightingSkyrim-Merged Patch.esp • 27 RelightingSkyrim-NoScripts.esp • 28 performance rocks.esp • 29 Point The Way.esp [Version 1.0.7] • 2A RealisticWaterTwo.esp • 2B WetandCold.esp • 2C AOS.esp [Version 2.5.1DGDB] • 2D 3DNPC.esp [Version 3.16] • 2E Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp • 2F WhiterunHoldForest.esp • 30 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp [Version v6.5.2a] • 31 Rebirth Monster.esp • 32 Ank_Castle_Main.esp • 33 Mystical Illumination - Glowing Signs with Point the Way.esp • 34 Skyrim Performance Merged Patch.esp • 35 Populated Skyrim Merged Patch.esp • 36 OBIS.esp • 37 Path of Shadows.esp • 38 trulyundead.esp • 39 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp • 3A Bishop.esp • 3B BetterQuestObjectives.esp [Version 1.5.6.1] • 3C Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp • 3D Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp [Version v6.5.2a] • 3E JiGuardDiversity.esp • 3F SkyrimURWL.esp • 40 SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp • 41 Populated Dungeons Caves Ruins for USKP.esp • 42 Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 2.0.6] • 43 LeafRest OnePiece.esp • 44 Shout-tastic_no CD.esp • 45 High Level Enemies - SIC.esp [Version 1.6a] • 46 Dolls.esp • 47 PCEA - 0 - DG and DB DLC - All Races.esp • 48 [MPX] NPC Gender Race Heights +Dawnguard.esp • 49 posesivecorpses.esp • 4A Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp [Version 3.4] • 4B FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp • 4C RND_USKP-Patch.esp • 4D TKDodge.esp • 4E Athletic Jump.esp • 4F RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp • 50 SkyrimSpeeds.esp • 51 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp • 52 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp • 53 Sound Music Merged Patch.esp • 54 VioLens.esp [Version 2.11] • 55 CombatDramaOverhaul.esp • 56 ImportantInformationOverhaul.esp • 57 MovementandStaminaOverhaul.esp • 58 Invisibility Eyes Fix.esp • 59 MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp • 5A MoreBrains.esp • 5B RaceMenuPlugin.esp • 5C RaceMenu.esp • 5D draugrEnglish.esp • 5E bowX30daggerX45.esp • 5F yurica_kimono.esp • 60 Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp • 61 NewMikanEyes.esp • 62 MikanEyes All in one.esp • 63 Headtracking.esp • 64 nightshade_armor.esp • 65 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - 2x Brighter.esp • 66 HDT Capes.esp • 67 BTRH_Tomoe.esp • 68 CharacterMakingExtender.esp • 69 Exhaustion.esp • 6A Pureweather.esp • 6B GreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp • 6C Purewaters.esp • 6D RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp • 6E Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT_RND.esp • 6F Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp • 70 FS_UltimateAssortment.esp • 71 Merta Assassin Armor.esp • 72 dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp • 73 third era - dwemer.esp [Version 1.1a] • 74 glimmer.esp • 75 wyrmstoothtravelcrashhotfix.esp • 76 rrhair.esp • 77 Facelight.esp • 78 AncientBladeWeapons.esp • 79 Blindfolds_of_Skyrim.esp • 7A KS Hairdo's.esp • 7B KS Hairdos - HDT.esp • 7C SGEyebrows.esp • ++ Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets.esp • 7D ACE Merged Patch.esp • 7E Cloaks.esp • 7F PaleMarshLite.esp • 80 Woodcutter's Wife.esp • 81 Immersive Patrols II.esp • 82 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp • 83 MJP_Schwarzenegger.esp • 84 two_handed_rebalance.esp • 85 bowspeedmod.esp • 86 _YoungHuman.esp • 87 [KijikoHair_MalePack].esp • 88 Size Does Matter HF.esp • 89 Wa Ribbon.esp • 8A WezFollower.esp • 8B Brows.esp • 8C Northgirl.esp • 8D ADS.esp • ++ Proper Aiming.esp • 8E MPAB.esp • 8F Beautiful Whiterun.esp • 90 Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp • 91 RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp • 92 ArachnaphobiaExpansion.esp • 93 kankaraya.esp • 94 SamuraiBlades.esp • 95 TimingIsEverything.esp • 96 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp • 97 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp • 98 FasterHorses_Sprint_x1_5.esp • 99 AZS03SexLabHdtHighHeels.esp • 9A ShreddedTrissMash.esp • 9B zzEstrus.esp • 9C Extreme amount of enchantments.esp • 9D zxRhoAias.esp • ++ EnchantPowerX15.esp • 9E AncientTonguesGreatSword.esp • 9F Elucidator.esp • A0 zxWhirlWind.esp • A1 ImmersiveLoversComfort.esp • A2 AncientTonguesSword.esp • A3 ScopedBows.esp • A4 ZaZHDTWorkshop.esp • A5 KWDR.esp • A6 UltrapowerFusRoDah.esp • A7 Masyamune.esp • A8 MainMenu.esp • A9 hmkLockOn.esp [Version 0.3.0] • AA betterwinterhold.esp • AB Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp [Version v1] • AC OBISDB.esp • AD brat_richer_merchants_sp0.esp • AE better-ench-fx.esp • AF sworddance.esp • B0 zxSword Powers Merged Patch.esp • B1 Dead Body Collision.esp • B2 BrighterTorchesBiggerMagelight.esp • B3 vwr Wet Eyes.esp • B4 MontyXAddPerkPoints.esp • B5 FF10Yunalesca.esp • B6 SerialStrip.esp • B7 SerialStripper.esp • B8 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp • B9 Illustrious HDT Cloaks of Skyrim.esp • BA Tiwa44_Minidress Merged Patch.esp • BB dD - NoSpin RealisticRag LargeSplat.esp • BC wristbinder.esp • BD yurica_musketeer [HDT].esp • BE EIDEN_MoodMod.esp [Version 1.2.9] • BF StormcloakArmorRevival_GuardFix.esp [Version 1.1] • C0 Skill Config.esp • C1 jackgamonsteraddon.esp • C2 Extended Encounters.esp • C3 KeaghanArmorLagrie.esp • C4 Sneak Tools.esp • C5 Solar's Portable Crafting.esp • C6 Devious Deviants.esp • C7 FoxMerged.esp • C8 Qasmoke.esp • C9 Survive The Night.esp [Version 1.03] • CA Equipping Overhaul.esp • CB ribeable-broom.esp • CC ISD_Longclaw.esp • CD SamuraiBladesWeapons.esp • CE Osare Culort Outfit.esp • CF raven witch armor.esp • D0 frostyfrost.esp • D1 Poet.esp • D2 MennoHairFlowers.esp • D3 wyrmstoothmapmarkerhotfix.esp • D4 TorchesForSkyrim_x3.esp • D5 WhiterunHoldForest_RNDpatch.esp • D6 Duel - Combat Realism.esp • D7 UltimateCombat.esp • D8 Slow Time.esp • D9 Immersive Sounds - Comped Merged Patch.esp • DA AOS2 Merged Patch.esp • DB zxDarkFallingGrave.esp • DC flashstep.esp • DD Heeled Collection.esp • DE Peaches heeled.esp • DF SwordplayFinishers.esp • E0 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp • E1 MIDFollowMeEvenCloser.esp • E2 BetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.esp • E3 geralt_ravenarmor_v02b.esp • E4 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp • E5 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 3.1.0] • E6 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp • E7 Bashed Patch, Skyrim.esp • E8 ASIS-Dependency.esp • E9 ASIS.esp Solved my Problem. Papyrus.0.zip
lkl Posted January 22, 2016 Author Posted January 22, 2016 Bump: Added Mod Load Order, Additional Problems and Papyrus Logs.
mrsmexythebeast Posted January 22, 2016 Posted January 22, 2016 Some of the modules from ACE make changes to the vanilla perk trees, and since Ordinator completely overhauls them, the only way to make the two compatible is to install only the modules from ACE that don't affect perk trees. I'm guessing this should help some of your problems; if more persist then I recommend pinpointing what is happening and what mods might affect said situation, and going to their pages and thoroughly reading any compatibility/bug/installation issues/notes they might have. Having two mods that do the same thing is a common cause of bugs and crashes, so I would also make sure I don't have any more mods like ACE and Ordinator that affect the same thing. If they do, check in Wrye Bash if they're compatible and if it's possible to make a bashed patch for them; if not, you'd probably have to pick one over the other. ~Smexy
lkl Posted January 23, 2016 Author Posted January 23, 2016 Actually, I've written out on the edit that the ACE or Ordinator problem is a issue (though I guess I should change the title), the problem now is that having neither ACE or Ordinator won't affect what's going on since for some reason, the Skyrim Mods aren't installing as they were intended to do. So this somewhat goes beyond ACE or Ordinator atm.
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