Liquirizia Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Hi all I have a problem and 'maybe' (not really sure) is related to SexLab. I have many mods installed, patched and then merged and i can run Skyrim without any lag or stutter with decent fps. I can even play hours without CTD But... is when i try to load a saved game that i have a problem: CTD after loading screen. For every save file. I have tried many solutions: - Load a clean save in an interior cell and then the problematic save. -> CTD on load (To create a clean save i had to remove SexLab mods) - Quicksave inside an interior cell and then Quickload. -> CTD on load - Change settings in memory patch on SKSE. -> CTD on load - Change settings on ENB or disable it. -> CTD on load - Even tried to open the save file with "Save Game Script Cleaner" and guess what? CTD of the tool! Yes This is for any save, even for the first save in Abandoned Prison of "Alternate Start:LAL". Without the SexLab mods everything is working correctly, i can save and load without problem and i can open the save files with the tool without CTD. I'm unable to load the "corrupted" save files with "Save Game Script Cleaner" (http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/) With "TESV ESS Files Editor" (http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/27119/) i can load the save file but it fails to load the Papyrus portion (Global data table 3 -> 2. Papyrus) This is the same for every "corrupted" save. The working saves can be opened with the editors without problems I looked for solutions everywhere without success, so I decided to try to solve the problem myself and i found something. This is my load order, the "DLXm" things are custom merged mods with "Merge Plugins" tool (http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/69905/) Skyrim.esmUpdate.esmDawnguard.esmHearthFires.esmDragonborn.esmSkyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esmFalskaar.esmWyrmstooth.espUnofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esphdtHighHeel.esmRaceCompatibility.esmSkykids.esmdaymoyl.esmNock2Tip.esmCampfire.esmClimatesOfTamriel.esmEFFCore.esmSkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esmSchlongs of Skyrim - Core.esmSexLab.esmZaZAnimationPack.esmSexLabAroused.esmDevious Devices - Assets.esmDevious Devices - Integration.esmDevious Devices - Expansion.esmBeeingFemale.esmdcc-soulgem-oven-000.esmCreatureFramework.esmDLXm - 1030-60 - Head.espUIExtensions.espAddItemMenu.espPreventsAccidentPickUp.espFISS.espDLXm - 010 - SKSE.espDLXm - 100 - Patches.espSkyUI.espDLXm - 110 - UI.espDLXm - 120 - Map.espDLXm - 140 - Information.espDLXm - 150 - Sounds.espFNIS.espFNIS_PCEA2.espXPMSE.espDLXm - 160 - Animations.espDisparity.espImperious - Races of Skyrim.espImperious - Disparity Compatibility Patch.espAurora - Standing Stones of Skyrim.espRaceMenu.espRaceMenuPlugin.espRaceMenuMimic.espSOSRaceMenu.espRaceMenuMorphsUUNP.espDLXp - 200 - Character Creation.espAlternate Start - Live Another Life.espAlternate Start -- New Beginnings.espDLXm - 220 - Starter Homes.espPerkusMaximus_Master.espPerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.espPerkusMaximus_Mage.espPerkusMaximus_Thief.espPerkusMaximus_Warrior.espDLXm - 300 - Gameplay Overhauls.espAcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.espDLXm - 310 - Miscellaneous Gameplay.espPermaZONESLegendaryBalanced.espDLXm - 330 - Economy.espDLXm - 340 - Magic.espUltimateCombat.espDLXm - 350 - Combat.espDLXm - 360 - Archery.espHothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espaMidianBorn_ContentAddon.espDLXm - 370 - Weapons and Armors.espFrostfall.espFootprints.espWetandCold.espWetandCold - Ashes.espRealShelter.espDrinking Fountains of Skyrim.espEquipping Overhaul.espDual Sheath Redux.espDLXm - 400 - Realism.espvMYC_MeetYourCharacters.espArtOfTheCatch.espHunterborn.espDLXm - 410 - Roleplaying.espDLXm - 440 - Traps.espmintylightningmod.espTrueStorms.espDLXm - 500 - Weather.espDLXm - 520 - Torches and Lanterns.espDLXm - 600 - Speed.espConvenient Horses.espAeonbarr.espDLXm - 620 - Fast Travel.espHothFollower.espDLXm - 700 - Followers.espDLXm - 710 - Follower Enhancements.espHearthfireMultiKid.espDLXm - 730 - NPC Enhancements.esp3DNPC.espDLXm - 740 - NPC Encounters.esp83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.espAnimallica.espSkyrim Immersive Creatures.espDLXm - 770 - Creatures.espDLXm - 780 - Dragons.espDLXm - 790 - Quests.espComplete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.espDLXm - 900 - Crafting Overhaul.espEnchantedArsenal.espRealisticWaterTwo.espDLXm - 1000 - Visual Enhancements.espMighty Beasts - Werewolf.espSchlongs of Skyrim.espSOS - Smurf Average Addon.espDLXp - 1020 - Bodies.espHDT Piercingsets.espDynDOLOD.espRSPatch.espAutomatic Variants.espPatchusMaximus.espDual Sheath Redux Patch.espSexLabTools.espNonSexLabAnimationPack.espBlush When Aroused.espBlush When Aroused CE.espDW.espSexLab_Solutions.espSexLab-AmorousAdventures.espDevious Deviants.espCaptured Dreams.espBeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.espdc-untamed-000.espSexLabDefeat.espDeviously Cursed Loot.espmslDeviousCaptures.espSexLabNudeCreatures.espSexLabNudeCreaturesDB.espSexLabNudeCreaturesDG.espMoreNastyCritters.espHentaiCreatures.esp And this is my plugins order when merged, the "DLXp" mods are custom patch i made myself with TES5Edit. Skyrim.esmUpdate.esmDawnguard.esmHearthFires.esmDragonborn.esmSkyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esmFalskaar.esmWyrmstooth.espUnofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esphdtHighHeel.esmHavok Breast Physic.esmRaceCompatibility.esmUnlimitedBookshelves.espSkykids.esmdaymoyl.esmNock2Tip.esmCampfire.esmClimatesOfTamriel.esmCompanionArissa.esmEFFCore.esmSkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esmSchlongs of Skyrim - Core.esmApachiiHair.esmApachiiHairFemales.esmApachiiHairMales.esmSGHairPackBase.esmOblivionHairPackAIO.esmSK TheEyesOfBeauty.esmSexLab.esmZaZAnimationPack.esmSexLabAroused.esmDevious Devices - Assets.esmDevious Devices - Integration.esmDevious Devices - Expansion.esmBeeingFemale.esmdcc-soulgem-oven-000.esmCreatureFramework.esmApachiiHelmetWigs.espKS Hairdo's.espKS Hairdos - HDT.espSGHairPackAIO.espLovelyHairstylesCE.espTheEyesOfBeauty.espFreckleMania.espBeards.espBrows.espSGEyebrows.espNB-Scars.espDLXm - 1030-60 - Head.espUIExtensions.espAddItemMenu.espPreventsAccidentPickUp.espFISS.espJaxonzDiagnostics.espJaxonzEnhGrab.espJaxonzCraftingHelper.espJaxonzDroppableStatics.espJaxonzMCMKicker.espJaxonzProtectFavorites.espJaxonzNameGen.espJaxonzRenamer.espDLXm - 010 - SKSE.espRaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.espWeapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.espWeapons & Armor_DragonPriestMasks.espClothing & Clutter Fixes.espSlightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.espParalyze.espdD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.espsandboxcylinderheight.espDead Body Collision.espGQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.espDLXp - 100 - Patches.espDLXm - 100 - Patches.espSkyUI.espiHUD.espAMatterOfTime.espExtended UI.espAHZmoreHUD.espLessIntrusiveHUD.espAH Hotkeys.espCustomizable Camera.espChesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.espDevious Loading Screens.espDLXm - 110 - UI.espAtlas Legendary.espAtlas Compass Tweaks.espDLXp - 120 - Map.espDLXm - 120 - Map.espHoldBorderBanners.espSoul Gems Differ.espPoint The Way.espDLXm - 140 - Information.espAOS.espAOS2_WAF Patch.espImmersive Sounds - Compendium.espISCompendium AOS Patch.espDragonShoutVoice.espDLXp - 150 - Sounds.espDLXm - 150 - Sounds.espdD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.espAnimations.espFNIS.espFNIS_PCEA2.espXPMSE.espDLXm - 160 - Animations.espDisparity.espImperious - Races of Skyrim.espImperious - Disparity Compatibility Patch.espAurora - Standing Stones of Skyrim.espRaceMenu.espRaceMenuPlugin.espRaceMenuMimic.espSOSRaceMenu.espRaceMenuMorphsUUNP.espDLXp - 200 - Character Creation.espAlternate Start - Live Another Life.espAlternate Start -- New Beginnings.espElysiumEstate.espElysiumEstate-HF.espDLXm - 220 - Starter Homes.espPerkusMaximus_Master.espPerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.espPerkusMaximus_Mage.espPerkusMaximus_Thief.espPerkusMaximus_Warrior.espPerMa_USLEEP master patch.espPerMaDefluffedPerkDescriptions.espWyrmstooth - PerMa Patch.espISC PerMa Compatibility Patch.espDLXp - 300 - Gameplay Overhauls.espDLXm - 300 - Gameplay Overhauls.espAcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.espCivil War Overhaul.espCutting Room Floor.espSkyTweak.espAlwaysPickUpBooks.espDLXp - 310 - Miscellaneous Gameplay.espDLXm - 310 - Miscellaneous Gameplay.espPermaZONESLegendaryBalanced.espTradeBarter.espRealisticRoomRental-Basic.espDLXp - 330 - Economy.espDLXm - 330 - Economy.espApocalypse - The Spell Package.espApocalypse - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp_tck_SpellCrafting.esp_tck_SpellCraftingPerma.espThunderchild - Epic Shout Package.espThunderchild - Dragon Language Words Patch.espThunderchild - PerMa Compatibility Patch.espThunderchild - Wyrmstooth Compatibility Patch.espDLXp - 340 - Magic.espDLXm - 340 - Magic.espUltimateCombat.espTKDodge.espCombat Evolved.espAction Combat.espDual Wield Parrying_SKSE.espVioLens.espDLXp - 350 - Combat.espDLXm - 350 - Combat.espNock2Tip.espDSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.espDLXp - 360 - Archery.espDLXm - 360 - Archery.espHothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espaMidianBorn_ContentAddon.espPerMa-Content Addon Patch.espImmersive Weapons.espLostLongSwords.espimp_helm_legend.espDLXp - 370 - Weapons and Armors.espDLXm - 370 - Weapons and Armors.espFrostfall.espFootprints.espWetandCold.espWetandCold - Ashes.espRealShelter.espDrinking Fountains of Skyrim.espEquipping Overhaul.espDual Sheath Redux.espAOS2_WetandCold Patch.espvwr Wet Eyes.espGoToBed.espSleepTight.espAnonymousPeople.espBring Out Your Dead - Legendary Edition.espDLXp - 400 - Realism.espDLXm - 400 - Realism.espvMYC_MeetYourCharacters.espArtOfTheCatch.espHunterborn.espHunterborn Campfire Patch.espPerMa-Hunterborn.espNorthern Bathhouses.espHonedMetal.espDLXp - 410 - Roleplaying.espDLXm - 410 - Roleplaying.espTraps Are Dangerous.espAOS2_TAD Patch.espWM Trap Fixes.espDLXm - 440 - Traps.espmintylightningmod.espTrueStorms.espClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.espClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.espClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.espClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-3.espClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.espClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.espAOS2_CoT3_1_patch.espMintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.espTrueStorms-ClimatesOfTamriel.espWondersofWeather.espExpandedSnowSystems-CoT.espESS Patch for CoT DG Patch.espMorning Fogs.espDLXp - 500 - Weather.espDLXm - 500 - Weather.espChesko_WearableLantern.espHunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.espDLXp - 520 - Torches and Lanterns.espDLXm - 520 - Torches and Lanterns.espMovementSpeedsFixed.espDLXp - 600 - Speed.espDLXm - 600 - Speed.espConvenient Horses.espAeonbarr.espBFT Ships and Carriages.espDLXp - 620 - Fast Travel.espDLXm - 620 - Fast Travel.espHothFollower.espWolfFollower.espSofiaFollower.espInigo.espRigmor.espEMCompViljaSkyrim.espVampire Follower - Farith Granius V2.espRecorder Follower Base.espVath.espDLXp - 700 - Followers.espDLXm - 700 - Followers.espEFFDialogue.espFCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.espDo Something.espDLXp - 710 - Follower Enhancements.espDLXm - 710 - Follower Enhancements.espHearthfireMultiKid.espGuard Dialogue Overhaul.espGuardAnimationsGDO.espUNO - NPC Overhaul.espUNO - Dawnguard FIXED.espUNO - Dragonborn.espThe Ordinary Women.espTCoW Improvement.espMales of Skyrim.espBijin NPCs.espBijin Wives.espBijin Warmaidens.espSerana.espValerica.espSkyKids - NPC Replacer Complete.espDLXp - 730 - NPC Enhancements.espDLXm - 730 - NPC Enhancements.esp3DNPC.esp3DNPC Alternative Locations.espInconsequential NPCs.espInconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.espInconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.espDLXp - 740 - NPC Encounters.espDLXm - 740 - NPC Encounters.esp83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.espAnimallica.espSkyrim Immersive Creatures.espSkyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.espPre PaMa SiC Patch.espHigh Level Enemies - SIC.espHigh Level Enemies - SIC Falskaar.espRebirth Monster.espOBIS.espOBISDB.espOBIS DG Faction Patch.espOBIS Loot.espDLXp - 770 - Creatures.espDLXm - 770 - Creatures.espDeadlyDragons.espAOS2_DD Patch.espDragon Combat Overhaul.espDLX - Elysium Estate Key.espDLXp - 780 - Dragons.espDLXm - 780 - Dragons.espBetterQuestObjectives.espBetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.espBetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.espBetterQuestObjectives-PerMaPatch.espBetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.espBetterQuestObjectives-EFFPatch.espTheChoiceIsYours.espTimingIsEverything.espThieves Guild Requirements.espThe Paarthurnax Dilemma.espBetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.espSkyCompleteLegendary.espSkyComplete3DNPC.espSkyCompleteFalskaar.espSkyCompleteWyrmstooth.espDLXp - 790 - Quests.espDLXm - 790 - Quests.espComplete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.espPre PaMa WAFR CCF CCOR Wintermyst Patch.espPre PaMa N2T CCOR Patch.espCCO17ObisPatch.espCCO_SIC_Patch.espInconsequential NPCs - Enhancement - CCOR.espISCompendium CCO Patch.espDLXp - 900 - Crafting Overhaul.espDLXm - 900 - Crafting Overhaul.espEnchantedArsenal.espRealisticWaterTwo.espRealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.espRealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.espRealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.espRealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.espRealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Wyrmstooth.espAOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.espWatercolor_for_ENB_RWT.espJKs Skyrim.espPrometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.espPrometheus_NSUTR Falskaar Dock.espRBB - Snowy New Lands with Travel Merge.espRBB - Row Boats - Hearthfire Hotfix.espSmoking Candles.espFarmhouseChimneys.espFarmhouseChimneysCRF.espFarmhouseChimneysLAL.espFarmhouseChimneysFalskaar.espFarmhouseChimneysWyrmstooth.espSkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.espSCRR Coin Weight.espSkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB + FS + WT.espSMIM-Merged-All.espimmersive roads.espDeadlySpellImpacts.espAOS2_DSI Patch.espPotions.espPotions - Perma Patch.espSkyrim Flora Overhaul.espSFO - Dragonborn.espVerdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.espSkyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.espEnhancedLightsandFX.espELFX - Exteriors.espELFX - Dawnguard.espELFX - Dragonborn.espELFXEnhancer.espdD - Enhanced Blood Main.espdD-Reduced Wound Size.espdD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.espDLXp - 1000 - Visual Enhancements.espDLXm - 1000 - Visual Enhancements.espMighty Beasts - Werewolf.espSchlongs of Skyrim.espSOS - Smurf Average Addon.espDLXp - 1020 - Bodies.espHDT Piercingsets.espDynDOLOD.espRSPatch.espAutomatic Variants.espPatchusMaximus.espDual Sheath Redux Patch.espSexLabTools.espNonSexLabAnimationPack.espBlush When Aroused.espBlush When Aroused CE.espDW.espSexLab_Solutions.espSexLab-AmorousAdventures.espDevious Deviants.espCaptured Dreams.espBeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.espdc-untamed-000.espSexLabDefeat.espDeviously Cursed Loot.espmslDeviousCaptures.espSexLabNudeCreatures.espSexLabNudeCreaturesDB.espSexLabNudeCreaturesDG.espMoreNastyCritters.espHentaiCreatures.esp My ini configs: - SKSE.ini [Debug]WriteMinidumps=0[General]EnableDiagnostics=0ClearInvalidRegistrations=1[Display]iTintTextureResolution=2048[Memory]DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=1024ScrapHeapSizeMB=512 - enblocal.ini [PROXY]EnableProxyLibrary=trueInitProxyFunctions=trueProxyLibrary=d3d9injFX.dll[GLOBAL]UsePatchSpeedhackWithoutGraphics=falseUseDefferedRendering=trueIgnoreCreationKit=trueForceFakeVideocard=false[PERFORMANCE]SpeedHack=trueEnableOcclusionCulling=true[MULTIHEAD]ForceVideoAdapterIndex=falseVideoAdapterIndex=0[MEMORY]ExpandSystemMemoryX64=falseReduceSystemMemoryUsage=trueDisableDriverMemoryManager=falseDisablePreloadToVRAM=falseEnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=falseReservedMemorySizeMb=512VideoMemorySizeMb=8192EnableCompression=falseAutodetectVideoMemorySize=false[WINDOW]ForceBorderless=falseForceBorderlessFullscreen=false[ENGINE]ForceAnisotropicFiltering=trueMaxAnisotropy=16ForceLodBias=falseLodBias=0.0AddDisplaySuperSamplingResolutions=falseEnableVSync=trueVSyncSkipNumFrames=0[LIMITER]WaitBusyRenderer=falseEnableFPSLimit=falseFPSLimit=60.0[iNPUT]//shiftKeyCombination=16//f12KeyUseEffect=123//homeKeyFPSLimit=36//num / 106KeyShowFPS=106//insertKeyScreenshot=45//enterKeyEditor=13//f4KeyFreeVRAM=115KeyBruteForce=0[ADAPTIVEQUALITY]Enable=falseQuality=1DesiredFPS=20.0[ANTIALIASING]EnableEdgeAA=trueEnableTemporalAA=falseEnableSubPixelAA=trueEnableTransparencyAA=false[FIX]FixGameBugs=trueFixParallaxBugs=trueFixAliasedTextures=trueIgnoreInventory=trueFixSsaoHairTransparency=trueFixTintGamma=falseRemoveBlur=falseFixSubSurfaceScattering=trueFixSkyReflection=trueFixCursorVisibility=trueFixParallaxTerrain=trueFixLag=false[LONGEXPOSURE]EnableLongExposureMode=falseTime=1.0BlendMax=0.0 My PC specs are: i7-3930K 16GB RAM Gigabyte G1 GTX 980 Samsung SSD 840 EVO 500GB I tried to activate one SL Mod at time: SL Framework, no CTD SL Matchmaker, no CTD SL Aroused Redux, no CTD ZaZAnimation, no CTD Devious Devices, CTD So the problem is DD? No Deactivated DD and activated any other mods like BeeingFemale or Soulgem Oven, CTD So i tried an extreme action, i created a new profile in Mod Organizer with only these mods installed: SKSE with its plugins SkyUI RaceMenu Alternate Start: LAL XPMSE UUNP with textures and all SexLab mods With this configuration the game is working, i can save and load without problems After that i tried the same plugin load order but with all my mod installed in MO (to sort out any assets problem: Scripts, Meshes et cetera...) and is working. So i decided to reactivate one by one any plugin (from the top to the bottom) and the CTD on load returned with 3DNPC and DLXm - 740... Then the problem are these plugins? No... -_-" I tested skipping them and activating other plugins in the load order, and any number of them and the CTD on load return. What i have learned from these tests? The game (or at least my game with my settings) have a sort of cap for the plugins, past the cap i can play smoothly but the game is unable to create a correct save file in the Papyrus portion. Why? I don't know... Any help? Thank you in advance
Liquirizia Posted January 10, 2016 Author Posted January 10, 2016 A little update, maybe i found the bug: I studied the .ess file format on http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tes5Mod:Save_File_Format and more precisely this http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tes5Mod:Save_File_Format/Papyrus the file format of the Papyrus portion. The document explains that the counting of the strings are stored inside an 'uint16' variable (a maximum of 65535 strings). I definitely passed that limit O_o BUT! (And this is the bug) Opening the save file with a hex editor i discovered that the count can be stored in an 'uint32' variable (Even TESV ESS Files Editor in the source files use 'uint32') but the game save a truncated value. An example: Instead of '23 00 01 00' i found '23 00 00 00'... literally dropped 65k of strings with one bit! Continuing to read the file strings are saved correctly, all of them. So i manually changed the byte, loaded the file on 'TESV ESS File Editor' and i was able to open the Papyrus Portion. BUT! (again :|) The game can't open the save file. I suspect the game really use 'uint16' and can't read or write correctly the value. I wonder ... it is possible with SKSE change the type of variable? Unfortunately i don't have the knowledge to try a debugging of the game to look where the variable is declared (i don't even know if is possible)
Nasseliten Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 I looked at your load order but you are using many things I've never tried before. I have one tip for you (all tough not related to your problem at all) Get rid of alternate start and use skyrim unbound instead. http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71465/? (after I started using it I have no more ctd, yup, thats right! Not a single one.)
T3Dubya Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 Hi there i am having the same issue. In my case, I have narrowed it down to activating sexlab itself causing the CTD when trying to load a game. No clue why it is happening though. Here is my post on it. http://www.loverslab.com/topic/56346-crash-on-loading-any-save-game/
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