Help Crash

[glassheart18]

Hi, I would like a hand because I have crash problems. Sometimes loading the saves, other simply by playing. Other times nothing happens and everything is fine. I can not read the papyrus log so I can not understand what goes and what's wrong. During the mods installation I read all the requirements and installed them, and in fact mod manager tells me no mods missing. FNIS also tells me not warnings. Sorry for the bad English. And thank you.

 

I enclose my mod order by LOOT and The papyrus log.

 

FNIS 5.5

SKSE 1.7.3

 

If you need my pc specifications:

System Window 7 Ultimate 64-bit

CPU Intel Core i7-4790K

GPU NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti

RAM 16 GB

MotherboardMSI Z97 Gaming 5

Memory 17+ TB HDD + 250 GB SDD

LOOT Order.txt

Papyrus.0.log

[OldGuy879]

there are a couple of problems with your load order among them a ESM that is "74 4a SexLab Attraction.esm" this should as high as it can get but after "Sexlab Framework" and "Sexlab Aroused" and "ZaZ animation" back needs to be below "Sexlab Framework" to find it in the MCM ingame

 

I recommend run loot to sort it or take a look at the load order I use ( it is in my sig ) if you prefer Manual sorting

::EDIT::

Also do reduce wear and tear on you papyrus I recommend only installing one of the Slongs add-ons like 118 76 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp found on some time ago if I had all 3 it could cause some lag spikes on my machine but it is up to you

[glassheart18]

Ok thanks, i will try. The order is made with loot but i can modify myself.

[OldGuy879]

Ok thanks, i will try. The order is made with loot but i can modify myself.

 

One of the reason I do not use loot have crash everytime i use it

How ever sometimes it does give you valuable pointers on what could be the problem

[glassheart18]

Mmmmm... not working It still crash in loading saves or randomly... Do you think i must review all my load order? because loot don't find nothing and tes5 load it correctly

 

if i do manually.... how do i do it? XD

[OldGuy879]

""if i do manually.... how do i do it? XD""

 

point and drag the mod or the esp esm files

 

 

""Mmmmm... not working It still crash in loading saves or randomly... Do you think i must review all my load order? because loot don't find nothing and tes5 load it correctly""

well you have so many install that is quit hard to figure out what might be the main reason.

 

and yes the best you can do is review all you mods and know what could be wrong if it fails

"LOOT" is a tool and as a tool it usefulness depend strongly on the user hench why I always fails using it to me it set mods weird and without reason then there those that is not in its master file yet those it will just leave where they are.

 

know what mod depend on what example "Sexlab.esm" only need the Skyrim ESM. where as "Sexlab Arousal.esm" depend on "Sexlab.esm"

 

the best advice I may be able to give you ( I just install and used MO last week after comming from NMM is ) to disable all mods and start small with only the required ones. Skyrim, Update Dawnguard, HeartFires, Dragonborn.
if this work then take the next step with Sexlab and what it require and use MassMatchmaker to check if it works Remember to run FNIS.

 

the more mods you have running the hard it will be to find the problem

[glassheart18]

""if i do manually.... how do i do it? XD""

 

point and drag the mod or the esp esm files

 

 

""Mmmmm... not working It still crash in loading saves or randomly... Do you think i must review all my load order? because loot don't find nothing and tes5 load it correctly""

well you have so many install that is quit hard to figure out what might be the main reason.

 

and yes the best you can do is review all you mods and know what could be wrong if it fails

"LOOT" is a tool and as a tool it usefulness depend strongly on the user hench why I always fails using it to me it set mods weird and without reason then there those that is not in its master file yet those it will just leave where they are.

 

know what mod depend on what example "Sexlab.esm" only need the Skyrim ESM. where as "Sexlab Arousal.esm" depend on "Sexlab.esm"

 

the best advice I may be able to give you ( I just install and used MO last week after comming from NMM is ) to disable all mods and start small with only the required ones. Skyrim, Update Dawnguard, HeartFires, Dragonborn.

if this work then take the next step with Sexlab and what it require and use MassMatchmaker to check if it works Remember to run FNIS.

 

the more mods you have running the hard it will be to find the problem

 

Yes of course XD

No, I meant if i must use a certain order depending the mod type (examples: texture, enviroment, animations and so on...) or only according the master files that  is anyway necessary.

 

You know i would like to save my save game if i could

 

[glassheart18]

Ok, I' ve modified manually my load order and it seems is working just fine... i'm going to do some other tests but at the moment i will post my new load order so if someone note some mistakes can correct me.

LOOT Order.txt

[OldGuy879]

""Yes of course XD

No, I meant if i must use a certain order depending the mod type (examples: texture, enviroment, animations and so on...) or only according the master files that  is anyway necessary.

 

You know i would like to save my save game if i could :wacko:""

Arh okay well personly that is not what I focus on more that they are sorted so what they are depended on is work I found a post once on a forum in the wide web world but have never since ben able to find it took a screen print from it and wrote it down somewhere. i do not use the points in it unless I am loosing hair in frustration credits goes to the aurther and does that help Him / her

 

 

I created this list to go with my CTD guide. I needed a link to post in my CTD guide to bring users to this topic. Please do not reply if possible. Thanks.

Here is my CTD guide as reference as well:


Go through ALL the sections in this guide thoroughly. It is a great guide with info. pulled from multiple sources/mod authors. These are things I would put A LOT of time into:
Load order
You need to build a custom load order and make sure it stays in that order. Whenever you install/update a mod it switches up your load order which is REALLY BAD. Switched up loan orders lead to save game corruptions and more CTD's. Use NMM's plugins section to make sure they always stay in the same order and try to group mods together that do similar things. You can do more research on load order to know how to edit it. This will prevent save files from getting corrupted and reduce CTD's in gameplay.

Here is a good example of a healthy way to categorize your load order:
What I personally do, along with some others, and have been successful with so far (*fingers crossed*) is use a kindergarten approach to load order and try and "group" my mods. Meaning that similar mods are all going together. Essentially you could break my load order down into sections and sub-sections. As an example, here is cross-section of my current mod list:

ESM { 00 Skyrim.esm
ESM { 01 Update.esm
ESM { 02 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
ESM { 03 ETaC RESOURCES.esm
ESM { 04 Omegared99-Compilation.esm

FIXES { 05 HighResTexturePackFix.esp
FIXES { 06 MiscFixRandomCrap.esp
FIXES { 07 Weapons and Armor fixes.esp

GAME STRUCTURE { 09 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
GAME STRUCTURE { 0A SkyUI.esp

CHAR { 0A New Eyes.esp
CHAR { 0E New Hair Styles.esp

LOCATION { 0F ETaC - Villlages Complete.esp
LOCATION { 00 ETaC - Morthal.esp
LOCATION { 00 ETaC Whatever Patches.esp
LOCATION { 10 Rayeks_End.esp

ADDS ITEMS { 11 Weapons and Armor.esp
ADDS ITEMS { 17 Hothtrooper44 Armor Compilation.esp
ADDS ITEMS { 1A Omegared99 Compilation.esp
ADDS ITEMS { 1B More Saddles.esp
ADDS ITEMS { 1C Sabre Fur Bag.esp

ADDS PEOPLE { 00 ETaC Follower.esp

TEXTURES { 1D Better Dynamic Snow.esp
TEXTURES { 1E Enhanced Blood Main.esp
TEXTURES { 1F StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

ENVIRONMENT { 21 ClimatesOfTamriel-Du.esp
ENVIRONMENT { 22 ClimatesOfTamriel-Inter.esp
ENVIRONMENT { 23 MintyLightningMod.esp
ENVIRONMENT { 24 MintyLightningModCOTcompat.esp
ENVIRONMENT { 25 RealRainCoT.esp

GAMEPLAY { 28 UFO Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
GAMEPLAY { 29 Convient Horses.esp
GAMEPLAY { 30 ACE - A Whole Bunch Of.esp(s)

LASTLY { 44 Bashed Patch.esp

Removed Mods
"So, if you're getting CTDs ONLY when you near a certain place the culprit is typically a mod that was removed. Not one that is installed. Sometimes when you have a save that includes some important whatever from a mod and that mod is later removed, the game is still looking for that important whatever in that location... and when it can't find it - crash.To test this try starting a new game - if you have a clean save on stand-by (which you SHOULD. Seirously.) Then trying running this save. It shouldn't reference the missing object. Travel to where you were getting the crashes to see if they persist.If it doesn't crash, then you get to figure out what it was you removed from the game."

Texture packs
This is HUGE. Skyrim is a 32bit program which means it can only hold 3.5-4.0GB of RAM NO MATTER WHAT. Even if your computer has 100GB of RAM Skyrim can only use 3.5-4.0GB of it. If you exceed this, Skyrim will have infinite loading screens, random CTD's, random freezing, etc... Do you have a lot of high quality textures? Armor packs, UNP/body mods, ground textures, added buildings, added NPC's, water textures, etc... You may be overloading your memory/game. Try uninstalling some and see if this improves (alternative below). Try cutting back on building textures, water textures and rock textures. Also, if you have the free DLC for textures, disable it. It causes more problems than it is worth because of this issue in my opinion.

Reducing the size of textures is CRUCIAL. Mods like Water give an optional file for reduced texture size. These texture are still better than Vanilla Skyrim so I would recommend using those options ANY TIME you see them. Bringing the textures down will reduce CTDs and even boost overall performance with hardly any noticable visuals lost in my opinion. Especially with so many ENB's/lighting mods to make up for the texture being a little smaller.

Script heavy mods/high spawn point mods
Self explanatory. If you have any of these try disabling them and see if your game improves again. Mods like Warzones, ASIS and SkyTEST fall into this category. (while mods like this can be totally fine, such as skyTEST, your system may not be able to handle them.)

Save game file
Your characters save could already be corrupted if you have not paid too close attention to load order/removed mods in the past. If customizing your load order doesn't fix it you may have to start a new game and keep your load order in check going forward. Also, your removed mods have a HUGE effect on your save game file. Try mods on a different save before you decide to keep/remove them so you don't have to add/remove them from your main save file.

"My point is that there is a good chance all that there is a whole bunch of junk still lurking about in your save. Particularly if you've ever run a mod with any new or edited scripts. You can deactive the mod, you can delete the scripts, but if not properly executed, the scripts will keep on keeping on. Waiting to attack, when you least expect it. (There is a way to investigate this also, and I will again direct you to my friend "Google" as the process involves making changes to your .ini file - ALWAYS HAVE A BACKUP). Essentially, YOU might forget about the mod the second it's deleted, but your SAVE remembers."

.ini edits/game integrity
Make sure your .ini edits are all popular ones and not ones known to cause any issues.

Ugridstoload is a common one to cause some problems. I have found a GREAT mod to replace ugridstoload. Go ahead and set your ugrids to load back to 5 and exterior cell buffer back to 36 (make sure you do this as instructed in the "advanced tweaking" section of the guide posted directly below). This mod will do most of what ugrids does without the extra CTD's. May cause some FPS drop but lowering your ugrids back to 5 will raise your FPS. Here is the mod: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/12866(this mod MAY need some cleaning in tes5edit if you know how)

Also, read ALL the pages in this guide here:
http://www.geforce.com/optimize/guides/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-tweak-guide#8
Focus on reducing as many values as possible, not increasing. I use the pictures/charts provided to get the lowest possible setting with the best quality still in mind. Make sure you read all the pages and not just the first one. There are multiple sections. Doing this will have a huge effect on your game.

CTD solving guide
Go here:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/bbenlibrary/topic/4871296/1/#new
For an EXCELLENT CTD solving guide. The only thing I don't agree with in his posts (that I have noticed) is using BOSS. It has never been nearly as good as just making your own load order like described above IN MY OPINION.

AOP's Dangerous File List
These files WILL crash/currupt your game/save game. DO NOT USE at any cost. Get rid of any you have installed immediately and start a new game if CTD's occur consistently after uninstallation.
List here: http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/906023-aops-dangerous-file-list/

Sorry if you know a lot of this already but from my experiences these have helped me a lot.
Thanks to missjennabee, nonoodles, Brandy_123, and others for some quotes in this useful info.

 

 

 

 

 93 5d SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
 94 5e SexLabWerewolves.esp
 95 5f HentaiCreatures.esp

 

move hentai creature up one

 

and move 105 69 SexLab Attraction.esm to the other ESM

 

else there is not anything I can see with my limited knowlegde of the other mods you uses so you should be good to go

[glassheart18]

 93 5d SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
 94 5e SexLabWerewolves.esp
 95 5f HentaiCreatures.esp

 

move hentai creature up one

 

and move 105 69 SexLab Attraction.esm to the other ESM

 

 

ok done!

[OldGuy879]

 93 5d SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp

 94 5e SexLabWerewolves.esp

 95 5f HentaiCreatures.esp

 

move hentai creature up one

 

and move 105 69 SexLab Attraction.esm to the other ESM

 

 

ok done!

 

Good let hope you can get to play as you want know without having anymore problems