Envy Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 So, I had a great setup with quite a bit of sexlab stuff working great. I figured I would add soulgem oven and creature framework and well, most of the stuff related to creatures and stuff. Loaded up skyrim, started a new game, and... the game runs super choppy, I tried to one by one disable all the stuff I installed and its still doing it. I tried doing a papyrus log like it says in the sticky thread, the game made a LOG folder but nothing in it, I have no missing conflicting mods according to LOOT. Super frustrated, with my limited knowledge of fixing stuff, I feel tempted to just clear out the whole game and start over but that would take FOREVER, hopefully someone can give me some insight' Sorry if I'm a dummy and missing something obvious I edited to add my load order just in case it is helpful. 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp 3 3 Dawnguard.esm 4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp 5 5 HearthFires.esm 6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp 7 7 Dragonborn.esm 8 8 EFFCore.esm 9 9 hdtHighHeel.esm 10 a Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 11 b SexLab.esm 12 c SexLabAroused.esm 13 d ZaZAnimationPack.esm 14 e Devious Devices - Assets.esm 15 f Devious Devices - Integration.esm 16 10 daymoyl.esm 17 11 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 18 12 PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm 19 13 PubicMeshColorRE.esm 20 14 HighResTexturePack01.esp 21 15 HighResTexturePack02.esp 22 16 HighResTexturePack03.esp 23 17 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp 24 18 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp 25 19 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp 26 1a SkyUI.esp 27 1b PassiveWeaponEnchantmentRecharging.esp 28 1c RaceMenu.esp 29 1d RaceMenuPlugin.esp 30 1e UIExtensions.esp 31 1f vAutosaveManager.esp 32 20 AoD - Dianqing Armor.esp 33 21 ChaPi Clothing.esp 34 22 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 35 23 EdhildilsWitchDoctor.esp 36 24 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 37 25 SeraphineHuntedArmor.esp 38 26 WhiteSharkRobes.esp 39 27 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp 40 28 Captured Dreams.esp 41 29 Path of Shadows.esp 42 2a Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp 43 2b Mercy.esp 44 2c SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp 45 2d SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 46 2e SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 47 2f ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp 48 30 Immersive Weapons.esp 49 31 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 50 32 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 51 33 BFT Ships and Carriages.esp 52 34 NPCsUseAmmoAllBows.esp 53 35 Better Vampires.esp 54 36 VL No AoE Drain.esp 55 37 Shaydows VampireLord Replacer OVERHAUL.esp 56 38 Enchanting Freedom.esp 57 39 LFox Pickpocketing Chance Caps at 100.esp 58 3a 100XCarryWeight.esp 59 3b balanceddestructionv4.esp 60 3c AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp 61 3d SGEyebrows.esp 62 3e The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp 63 3f EFFDialogue.esp 64 40 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp 65 41 Spells Cast Light.esp 66 42 Run For Your Lives.esp 67 43 Vile Art of Necromancy.esp 68 44 XPMSE.esp 69 45 SkinTight.esp 70 46 SOS - ERF Equipable Horse Penis.esp 71 47 SOS - ERF Horse Penis Addon.esp 72 48 HDT Female Hairstyles.esp 73 49 HHairstyles.esp 74 4a Skyrim Realistic Archery.esp 75 4b VeryPerkyArchery.esp 76 4c Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp 77 4d SL Deadly Drain.esp 78 4e NonSexLabAnimationPack.esp 79 4f PSQ ERF Horse Penis.esp 80 50 PSQ ERF Animated Wings.esp 81 51 SkyrimBound.esp 82 52 SLA Monitor Widget.esp 83 53 DD - Interactions.esp 84 54 SexLabDangerousNights2.esp 85 55 SlaveTats.esp 86 56 JContainers-optional_installation_validator.esp 87 57 FreckleMania.esp 88 58 Blade & Soul.esp 89 59 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp 90 5a Deviously Cursed Loot.esp 91 5b Osare Culort Outfit.esp 92 5c CollegeDaysWinterhold.esp 93 5d SOS - Shop.esp 94 5e SexLabDefeat.esp 95 5f Draconic Bloodline.esp 96 60 Devious Deviants.esp 97 61 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp 98 62 Empress.esp 99 63 R18pn - lingerie Set.esp 100 64 heimu0.esp 101 65 FNISspells.esp 102 66 DeviouslyHelpless.esp 103 67 SexLabDangerousNights.esp 104 68 Abigail The Maid.esp 105 69 Blood Raven - UNP.esp 106 6a RosaFollower.esp 107 6b Soulmaster 10.esp 108 6c TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 109 6d VeronicaFollower.esp 110 6e YuiH StandAlone Follower S2.esp 111 6f Omage EX character - Valhalla pre ver.esp 112 70 DibellanDefender.esp 113 71 Natalya Follower.esp 114 72 ValkyrieArmor.esp 115 73 TBBP_Black Dragon.esp 116 74 Black Jacket.esp 117 75 Zipsuit.esp 118 76 Warhammer Sorceress Robes.esp 119 77 Ebon Shroud - 7B BBP.esp 120 78 Sexlab_Vampire.esp 121 79 Blush When Aroused.esp 122 7a Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp
arbiter Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 I have heard of SOS having some script impact, and it is likely that among the many mods you have there are some (too-heavy) scripts running. Since you indicate no change in graphical settings, I would assume your lag has to do with processing (of these scripts). Many times processing lag in Skyrim can be solved with .ini settings (rather than buying a new proc). The creator of Frostfall (script lag from HELL but great for immersion) indicated this, and has some general advice: In order to increase the amount of CPU time and memory given to the script system, you can try the following. This may increase performance. [Papyrus] fUpdateBudgetMS=800.0 fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=800.0 fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000.0 iMinMemoryPageSize=256 iMaxMemoryPageSize=512 iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=153600 If that does not seem to fix the problem, you can try this as well. This is mostly a default configuration, with extra time given to the Update Budget values. [Papyrus] fUpdateBudgetMS=20.0 fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=20.0 fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0 iMinMemoryPageSize=128 iMaxMemoryPageSize=512 iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=76800 Note that I personally use the latter with great results; the former is way too goddamn overkill in my experience. But then my computer has 8 cores at 4.0. If you're having trouble and think it may not be scripts, you can install frostfall and load a game, wander around in the snow, and see if frostfall doesn't warn you about not being able to keep up with what you're doing because of script lag. Also, if you've UNINSTALLED things you may have unattached scripts lying around running the hell outta your proc. In that case use PDT http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/53045/? or savetool (google it, I don't use it but it's simpler) to analyze your save and see if you have a few hundred running. One last note, if you've changed shadow settings it may have an effect; but it doesn't sound like this is your issue. If you think it might be, see posts 84 (non-enb) and 90 (enb) here: http://forum.step-project.com/topic/3758-shadow-optimization/page-6
WraithSlayer Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 I have heard of SOS having some script impact, and it is likely that among the many mods you have there are some (too-heavy) scripts running. Since you indicate no change in graphical settings, I would assume your lag has to do with processing (of these scripts). Many times processing lag in Skyrim can be solved with .ini settings (rather than buying a new proc). The creator of Frostfall (script lag from HELL but great for immersion) indicated this, and has some general advice: In order to increase the amount of CPU time and memory given to the script system, you can try the following. This may increase performance. [Papyrus] fUpdateBudgetMS=800.0 fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=800.0 fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000.0 iMinMemoryPageSize=256 iMaxMemoryPageSize=512 iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=153600 If that does not seem to fix the problem, you can try this as well. This is mostly a default configuration, with extra time given to the Update Budget values. [Papyrus] fUpdateBudgetMS=20.0 fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=20.0 fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0 iMinMemoryPageSize=128 iMaxMemoryPageSize=512 iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=76800 Note that I personally use the latter with great results; the former is way too goddamn overkill in my experience. But then my computer has 8 cores at 4.0. If you're having trouble and think it may not be scripts, you can install frostfall and load a game, wander around in the snow, and see if frostfall doesn't warn you about not being able to keep up with what you're doing because of script lag. Also, if you've UNINSTALLED things you may have unattached scripts lying around running the hell outta your proc. In that case use PDT http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/53045/? or savetool (google it, I don't use it but it's simpler) to analyze your save and see if you have a few hundred running. One last note, if you've changed shadow settings it may have an effect; but it doesn't sound like this is your issue. If you think it might be, see posts 84 (non-enb) and 90 (enb) here: http://forum.step-project.com/topic/3758-shadow-optimization/page-6 I may have misinterpreted Envy's description of the problem, but the way I understood it, the issue is low framerate, not slow-reacting scripts. With that in mind, the benefit of increasing fUpdateBudgetMS and fExtraTaskletBudgetMS above the default values (1.2 ms) is to improve script responsiveness at the expense of framerate, so these INI edits would be highly counter-productive in this specific case, and only serve to make the problem worse. Chesko recommends these edits because Frostfall is very script-heavy and increasing the values will allow the mod to react more quickly to state changes, such as the player approaching a campfire and receiving heat from it. However, the principle here is simple: the more CPU time you give to the Papyrus script engine, the less CPU time is left for the rest of the game. (rendering frames, physics calculations, updating actors, etc)
Envy Posted August 23, 2015 Author Posted August 23, 2015 Yes, the problem is low framerate, I know it is not from SoS because that was one of the things working fine previously, also I know its not my save game, as I stated this is an issue that is occuring on even NEW saves. I'm assuming that one of the mods I installed somehow broke a mod that was working fine before, even though I use NMM, and installed/uninstalled the mods through that. Editing to add: In case it is relevant I have 16gb of DDR3 ram, an i5 (quad core) running at 4.3ghz, an nvidia gtx 680 w/ 4gb of video ram. Running windows 10.
WraithSlayer Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Yes, the problem is low framerate, I know it is not from SoS because that was one of the things working fine previously, also I know its not my save game, as I stated this is an issue that is occuring on even NEW saves. I'm assuming that one of the mods I installed somehow broke a mod that was working fine before, even though I use NMM, and installed/uninstalled the mods through that. NMM is good enough for light modding, but if you end up reinstalling Skyrim to fix the issue, I'd recommend giving Mod Organizer a try. It installs mods into a folder separate from Skyrim and has the game load load them at runtime, keeping your Skyrim install clean and immune to unexpected disasters.
Envy Posted August 23, 2015 Author Posted August 23, 2015 Yes, the problem is low framerate, I know it is not from SoS because that was one of the things working fine previously, also I know its not my save game, as I stated this is an issue that is occuring on even NEW saves. I'm assuming that one of the mods I installed somehow broke a mod that was working fine before, even though I use NMM, and installed/uninstalled the mods through that. NMM is good enough for light modding, but if you end up reinstalling Skyrim to fix the issue, I'd recommend giving Mod Organizer a try. It installs mods into a folder separate from Skyrim and has the game load load them at runtime, keeping your Skyrim install clean and immune to unexpected disasters. How exactly does that work? Ive heard people talk about how you can have multiple profiles with MO, but wouldnt that end up taking up a lot more space?
WraithSlayer Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 How exactly does that work? Ive heard people talk about how you can have multiple profiles with MO, but wouldnt that end up taking up a lot more space? Depends. For new files added by mods, the disk space taken is the same as installing the mod directly into the Skyrim folder, but for overwrite mods like mesh/texture replacers, then yes, MO would end up taking up more space as it stores the replacer files in a separate location while Skyrim gets to keep its unmodded files. Though I suppose this only applies if you've unpacked Bethesda BSAs and have meshes/textures as loose files.
arbiter Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 As I understand it, too many scripts can cause low framerate. If the scripts get backed up, that won't help. I could be wrong; it just doesn't sound like a graphics issue (with those mods that were mentioned). If Envy installed textures mods or something then that's another issue, and probably the culprit. MO is hands down better. NMM (in the past) would screw your file system up by overwriting files but not replacing them with other mods' files when removed. Hopefully they fixed this, but MO definitely doesn't do this.
Envy Posted August 23, 2015 Author Posted August 23, 2015 Yes, the issue I'm having IS probably script related, thats why I cant understand how it persisted after removing the mods that caused it, I guess I probably will reinstall, and I probably will use Mod Organizer, but HDD space might be an issue, my installation is already pretty huge, and I only have so much space on my SSD, I suppose if MO installs mods to a virtual folder I could use my storage drive, but windows likes putting that one to sleep if its "idle" causing things to freeze up when it decides it needs something from it.
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