xarathos Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 I'm getting semi-regular CTDs that I'm trying to iron out, but the one consistent one right now is happening when Death Alternative tries to teleport me. Weirdly, other teleport methods don't cause a crash (I teleported to the same temple using an amulet from another mod, and that worked fine) - and it doesn't seem to matter WHERE it teleports me at the moment, if it's outside the current cell. Getting the same crash outside bleak falls barrow... the only time I avoided the crash was using FreeMem to manually clear my memory before being killed, but I checked my memory blocks log and my first block usage never went above 400 megs. :/ I'm just so confused right now. Load order in case it's helpful. Some of these are mergers of other mods, sorry about that: # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.Skyrim.esmUpdate.esmUnofficial Skyrim Patch.espDawnguard.esmUnofficial Dawnguard Patch.espHearthFires.esmUnofficial Hearthfire Patch.espDragonborn.esmUnofficial Dragonborn Patch.espSkyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esmFalskaar.esmWyrmstooth.espSexLab.esmDevious Devices - Assets.esmLanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esmSexLabAroused.esmWinterholdDestruction.esmZaZAnimationPack.esmDevious Devices - Integration.esmGray Fox Cowl.esmCampfire.esmDevious Devices - Expansion.esmEFFCore.esmETaC - RESOURCES.esmhdtHighHeel.esmKS Hairdo's.espKS Hairdo's Restored.espRSkyrimChildren.esmTrueEyes.espdaymoyl.esmGuard Dialogue Overhaul.espWeapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.espimp_helm_legend.espClothing & Clutter Fixes.espCutting Room Floor.espSTEP - bugfixes - high priority.espHothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espKaisPremiumArmaments_Vol1.espImmersive Weapons.espComplete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.espImmersive Jewelry.espPerkusMaximus_Master.espPerMaDefluffedPerkDescriptions.espPerMa Fixes.espPerMa Expansion 1 - 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ETaC Complete - RS kids.espPerMa-Content Addon Patch.espPerMa_USKP master patch.espPermaZONESLegendaryBalanced.espPredator Vision.espPreventsAccidentPickUp.espPW-RS-Patch.espRaceMenu.espRaceMenuPlugin.espRaceMenuPluginXPMSE.espReduced Distance NPC Greetings.espRSChildren_CompleteUSKP.espSAM - Dawnguard Patch.espSAM - Dragonborn Patch.espSAM - Shape Atlas for Men.espSexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.espSlaveTats.espTCIY-BCS Patch.espThe Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.espTheEyesOfBeauty.espThieves Guild Requirements.espNPC Knockout Overhaul.espThievesGuildReq_LocalizedGuildJobs_Patch.espThunderchild - PerMa Compatibility Patch.espThunderchild - Wyrmstooth Compatibility Patch.espTradeBarter.espUIExtensions.espUsefulDogs.espVioLens.espWetandCold.espWetandCold - Ashes.espWhen Vampires Attack.espWyrmstooth - PerMa Patch.espXara-WarpaintsAndTattoosMerged.espAlternate Start - Live Another Life.espBetterQuestObjectives-Patches.espComplete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.espRSPatch.espDynDOLOD.espPre PaMa - Merged Patch.espSmashedPatch.espBashed Patch, 0.espPatchusMaximus.espDual Sheath Redux Patch.esp I will admit that I also wasn't crashing as much before installing Perkus Maximus (I may need to reinstall it or something) but then I also wasn't triggering death alternative, and right now DA is the only repeatable crash. I've reduced the other, intermittent crashes by shutting off certain parts of the Jaxonz auto loot + renamer scripts, but idek.
Gameplayer Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 I'm getting semi-regular CTDs that I'm trying to iron out, but the one consistent one right now is happening when Death Alternative tries to teleport me. Weirdly, other teleport methods don't cause a crash (I teleported to the same temple using an amulet from another mod, and that worked fine) - and it doesn't seem to matter WHERE it teleports me at the moment, if it's outside the current cell. Getting the same crash outside bleak falls barrow... the only time I avoided the crash was using FreeMem to manually clear my memory before being killed, but I checked my memory blocks log and my first block usage never went above 400 megs. :/ I'm just so confused right now. Load order in case it's helpful. Some of these are mergers of other mods, sorry about that: # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Dawnguard.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp HearthFires.esm Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm Falskaar.esm Wyrmstooth.esp SexLab.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm SexLabAroused.esm WinterholdDestruction.esm ZaZAnimationPack.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm Gray Fox Cowl.esm Campfire.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm EFFCore.esm ETaC - RESOURCES.esm hdtHighHeel.esm KS Hairdo's.esp KS Hairdo's Restored.esp RSkyrimChildren.esm TrueEyes.esp daymoyl.esm Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp imp_helm_legend.esp Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp Cutting Room Floor.esp STEP - bugfixes - high priority.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp KaisPremiumArmaments_Vol1.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp Immersive Jewelry.esp PerkusMaximus_Master.esp PerMaDefluffedPerkDescriptions.esp PerMa Fixes.esp PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp PerMa-Hunterborn.esp PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp Apocalypse - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp Apocalypse - More Apocalypse - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp UnlimitedBookshelves.esp AHZmoreHUD.esp FISS.esp AMatterOfTime.esp BetterQuestObjectives.esp ETaC - Complete.esp RealisticRoomRental.esp Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp Auto Unequip Ammo.esp Beards.esp Better Dynamic Snow.esp BFSEffects.esp Bijin Wives.esp Brows.esp Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp Chesko_WearableLantern.esp CitrusHead - Standalone.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp ELE_Legendary_Fs_Wt_Lite.esp ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp Purity.esp Bathing in Skyrim - Merged.esp RelightingSkyrim.esp Book Covers Skyrim.esp JKs Skyrim Major Cities.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp winterhold_improvements.esp CWIWCIPatch.esp RealShelter.esp RealShelter_ETAC13.esp ETaC - Complete EWDR Patch.esp HarvestOverhaul.esp SexLab_Dialogues.esp sanguinesDebauchery.esp OBIS.esp Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp Immersive Whiterun.esp Immersive Solstheim.esp Captured Dreams.esp hydra_slavegirls.esp BFT Ships and Carriages.esp BosmericDrunkenHuntsmanReborn.esp LocalizedGuildJobs.esp HeljarchenFarm.esp WindstadMine.esp ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp ETaC - Whiterun Ext CRF Patch.esp FollowerLivePackage.esp ArtOfTheCatch.esp Bijin Warmaidens.esp ChaosDragons.esp ColdharbourDaedra.esp Atlas Legendary.esp Devious Devices - For the Masses II.esp ETaC - Patches.esp WAF_CCF_SIC Patch.esp Arkham Cosplay.esp NerniesCityandVillageExpansion.esp TheChoiceIsYours.esp Run For Your Lives.esp Point The Way.esp home.esp SMIM-Legendary.esp Immersive Patrols II.esp SFO - Dragonborn.esp Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Better City Entrances - No Whiterun.esp RealShelterJKLargeCities.esp BooksOfSkyrim.esp HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp Master of Disguise - Legendary.esp DeviouslyHelpless.esp skyradio.esp SkyUI.esp Hunterborn.esp OMageReplacerPack.esp The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp iNeed.esp Gildergreen Regrown.esp BCS - ISB - PERMA Patch.esp BCS - CCOR Patch.esp BCS - PERMA Patch EN.esp BCSLL-SKYREorPERMA Patch.esp Better Vampires.esp BetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightPatch.esp BetterQuestObjectives-PerMaPatch.esp Mass Effect Cosplay.esp NPO Module - Crossbows.esp CCOResource.esp Bikini-MTM.esp CWIRLSPatch.esp CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp CWINPCOpulentOutfits.esp dd - enhanced blood Main.esp DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Devious Deviants.esp Disease Descriptions-Merged.esp Dogs Into Huskies.esp Dual Sheath Redux.esp DyeManager.esp DyeManagerDefaults.esp FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp EFFDialogue.esp Extended UI.esp FNISSexyMove.esp FollowerAsCompforFllrMods.esp FollowerLivePackage-EFFCore.esp Footprints.esp FreeMem.esp Halo's Poser.esp Headtracking.esp Hunterborn Campfire Patch.esp Hunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.esp iHUD.esp Immersive detection of NPC.esp Immersive Horses.esp Unique Uniques.esp Faction Crossbows.esp Faction Crossbows NPO CCOR LL Patch.esp Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp Imperious - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp Improved Name Of Savegame.esp JaxonzUtilities.esp LPBards.esp MLPSoulGems.esp Moss Rocks.esp NB-Scars.esp nightshade_armor.esp NirShor-MusicalLore.esp OBISDB.esp ORM-Arvak.esp Patch - ETaC Complete - RS kids.esp PerMa-Content Addon Patch.esp PerMa_USKP master patch.esp PermaZONESLegendaryBalanced.esp Predator Vision.esp PreventsAccidentPickUp.esp PW-RS-Patch.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp RSChildren_CompleteUSKP.esp SAM - Dawnguard Patch.esp SAM - Dragonborn Patch.esp SAM - Shape Atlas for Men.esp SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp SlaveTats.esp TCIY-BCS Patch.esp The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp Thieves Guild Requirements.esp NPC Knockout Overhaul.esp ThievesGuildReq_LocalizedGuildJobs_Patch.esp Thunderchild - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp Thunderchild - Wyrmstooth Compatibility Patch.esp TradeBarter.esp UIExtensions.esp UsefulDogs.esp VioLens.esp WetandCold.esp WetandCold - Ashes.esp When Vampires Attack.esp Wyrmstooth - PerMa Patch.esp Xara-WarpaintsAndTattoosMerged.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp BetterQuestObjectives-Patches.esp Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp RSPatch.esp DynDOLOD.esp Pre PaMa - Merged Patch.esp SmashedPatch.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp PatchusMaximus.esp Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp I will admit that I also wasn't crashing as much before installing Perkus Maximus (I may need to reinstall it or something) but then I also wasn't triggering death alternative, and right now DA is the only repeatable crash. I've reduced the other, intermittent crashes by shutting off certain parts of the Jaxonz auto loot + renamer scripts, but idek. FPS matters. Its a good indicator of the games stability if you cannot maintain higher than 30 50+ fps under stress chances are your going to crash with scripted mods. ------------------- Moving on, Sheson Memory Block fix really only helps so much, its more for how many npc's can be loaded into a cell or the ugrid area. -------------- Its always better to do without scripted mods than it is to attempt adjusting these values. Making changes to your Papyrus can induce instability, severely impact FPS, and cause crashes. There are no available documents that suggest best settings for a system. Most if not all tweaks here that you find on the internet will induce problems for users that have low to mid systems, yet for some reason ppl just say change them without knowing what they are saying. http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50244/? Best Explanation available for Papyrus Log tweaks, DO not just run around telling ppl to do this, these can be harsh on setup's http://www.creationkit.com/ini_settings_(papyrus) ------------------------------------------------- Better Computer Parts. Seriously just better parts. Better RAM, Better Drive, Better Graphics Card, Better CPU. Faster is just better. -------------------------- Anyway I don't think that list of mods is realistic for low to mid machines. I also don't know your Specs or what your FPS is under stress. All I can say is if your not pushing 50+ frames in an exterior space under stress you have no business running most of those mods with your SMIM, JK, HD textures....that's just dreamin.
TheHuntress1970 Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 I don't know. The teleporting of DA annoys me and throws me off and I disable it while I prefer to be "saved" by an NPC. Are you running an ENB? Have you tried HialgoBoost?
xarathos Posted May 25, 2015 Author Posted May 25, 2015 To fill in a few more blanks, then: FPS are averaging 40-50 exterior, rarely dips under that except when loading. I do get occasional lag during fights, and haven't identified the source of that yet. Interiors run better as per usual (60+). Running on a GTX 960 with 8 gigs of ram. CPU is a 3.0 ghz AMD quad core. Oddly, the crash I'd EXPECT, and used to get regularly, does not occur, IE I'm running just fine in Whiterun despite JKs etc, whereas before my last upgrade I'd crash there even if the space was vanilla. Papyrus INI settings are currently default except for enabling logging and I haven't touched uGrids. Most of my textures are optimized down to 1024x using DDSOpt "just in case." I don't know. The teleporting of DA annoys me and throws me off and I disable it while I prefer to be "saved" by an NPC. Are you running an ENB? Have you tried HialgoBoost? I'm running an ENB, yeah, fairly minimal one I've been editing myself on the go from the base download + a few shader files. I tried HiAlgoBoost on my old card, haven't since upgrading.
Gameplayer Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 Well the list of big offenders that eat up Papyrus time are these. Popular Ones that can interfere quite a bit with smooth stable gameplay, especially when all are present. Dual Sheath Redux Equipment Overhaul Armed To the Teeth Wet n Cold Frost Fall Aroused Original Version More Hotkeys Please ( and similar mods to this one ) All food, water, and sleep mods Mods that are popular that can eat up pap time that are probably less of a hit but still high Vampire Overhauls Werewolf Overhauls Mods that may hit your FPS too hard that have indirect impact on overall stability SMIM Lighting Overhaul Mods HD textures, depends on system but safest bet is anything that is higher than 1024 RES should not be in your game unless pushing 4 GIGs of VRAM ( or a smoking hot quality card at 2 GIG) Also Mods that add way bunches of more stuff to the world space, these get even worse when you use mods that increase the Poly count. If you've done all your tweaks those are basically the things you have to look at and decide what makes your cut and what doesn't. ------------------------------------------------- You might try bumping up your fsupdatebudget by say another 0.2 <--- it shouldn't be a big trade off to get some extra umph with your script load. Thing is like I said you have some mods in there that may be easier to just do without. Like Dual Sheath Redux wants to fire off a script at 0.5 interavals attached to a cloak its always running its there to force NPC's you meet to use its sheathed weapon style. I know its crazy its such a small thing but even after all NPC's are accounted for guess what its still checking.
xarathos Posted May 26, 2015 Author Posted May 26, 2015 Well. For the moment, the problem seems to have been resolved. Cut Burn/Freeze/Shock Effects, sorted masters, rebuilt my patches, reloaded the save annnnd... so far it hasn't crashed again. DAYMOL stuck at one point but I was able to unstick it with the debugs in the menu and a save/reload. And combats have been less laggy since as well, so, guessing that must've been polling SOMETHING pretty hard.
Gameplayer Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 Well. For the moment, the problem seems to have been resolved. Cut Burn/Freeze/Shock Effects, sorted masters, rebuilt my patches, reloaded the save annnnd... so far it hasn't crashed again. DAYMOL stuck at one point but I was able to unstick it with the debugs in the menu and a save/reload. And combats have been less laggy since as well, so, guessing that must've been polling SOMETHING pretty hard. Sounds about right good to hear your back up and runnin. I'm also being faced with needing to pull out some mods. Got some that are tossin up a heck of lot of errors in TesVedit in my face going to try a cleaning first and prob toss out skse Dual Parry mod cause well I don't know its not really helpin me either having stuff in taking Pap time.
xarathos Posted May 26, 2015 Author Posted May 26, 2015 Had one last crash in the midst of a fight this time, so checked with SaveTool - found a few newly orphaned scripts, presumably left over from Burn/Freeze/Etc. Cleaned those out, game has yet to crash since. Death Alternative still acts profoundly weird once in awhile, but if the game isn't crashing I'm not complaining. I'll just have to try to keep ahead of it, that's all.
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