saizetsu Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 I was looking at my list and to be honest this is after I had been running 298 mods at a time. Still I'm hoping to cut it down further. Just looking for personal opinions on what is and isn't cared for. I could likely merge several more of these mods to cut it down, warpaints and eye mods. GameMode=Skyrim Skyrim.esm=1 Update.esm=1 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1 Dawnguard.esm=1 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1 HearthFires.esm=1 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1 Dragonborn.esm=1 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1 Ket_ARMONIZER_v2.esm=1 JSwords.esm=1 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm=1 RaceCompatibility.esm=1 SexLab.esm=1 SexLabAroused.esm=1 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1 NewStyleEyes.esm=1 ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1 HighResTexturePack01.esp=1 HighResTexturePack02.esp=1 HighResTexturePack03.esp=1 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp=1 GreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp=1 SkyUI.esp=1 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp=1 Babette.esp=1 Animated Dragon Wings.esp=1 The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp=1 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1 Chesko_WearableLantern_Caravaner.esp=1 Enhanced 3rd Person Camera.esp=1 JiubQuestMarkers.esp=1 better_torches_brighter_torchlight.esp=1 BS-TheHag_WarPaints.esp=1 NB-Scars.esp=1 ElfEars.esp=1 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1 Convenient Horses.esp=1 BHWarPaints.esp=1 Dawnbreaker_PeacefulExplosion.esp=1 AchieveThat.esp=1 BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp=1 Dual Sheath Redux.esp=1 DemonHunter_Scarf.esp=0 DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp=1 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-3.esp=1 Chesko_WearableLantern_Guards.esp=1 EpisodeParallax.esp=1 FixedEyeAdaption.esp=1 RaceMenu.esp=1 Khajiit Ears.esp=1 dawnguard ear khajiit.esp=1 SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp=1 HARODATH_ImmersiveSoulgems.esp=1 PumpingIron.esp=1 iHUD.esp=1 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-4.esp=1 BFSEffects.esp=1 AHZmoreHUD.esp=1 manny_Status.esp=1 BS-TheHag_Overlays.esp=1 Merged Hairs.esp=1 VLCollisionFix.esp=1 RaceMenuPlugin.esp=0 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp=1 JSwords_Load_Screens.esp=1 SexLabNudeCreatures.esp=1 SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp=1 SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp=1 dragonaspect.esp=1 UnlimitedBookshelves.esp=1 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1 hornsareforever.esp=1 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp=1 Dlc dragonborn.esp=1 SkyRe_Main.esp=1 BetterQuestObjectives.esp=1 BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp=1 Daedric Dawnbreaker.esp=1 AOS.esp=1 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp=1 RevampedExteriorFog.esp=1 AOS2_EBT Patch.esp=1 AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp=1 enchanting freedom.esp=1 3DNPC.esp=1 AFT_iNPCFix.esp=1 FS_UltimateAssortment.esp=1 Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1 Clear Skies Fix - CoT version.esp=1 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp=1 Helgen Reborn.esp=1 LC_BecomeJarlofIvarstead.esp=1 Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp=1 DDB_Skyre_Patch.esp=1 SkyRe_Main_Fix.esp=1 AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp=1 HarvestOverhaul.esp=1 BetterQuestObjectives-SkyRePatch.esp=1 Better Vampires.esp=1 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1 TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp=1 SkyRe_HelmlessPerks.esp=1 DawnguardDawnbreaker_HF_ElemFury.esp=1 DawnguardDawnbreaker_HolyFireEd.esp=1 OBIS.esp=1 HarvestOverhaul_SkyRe_Patch.esp=1 norecoverydragonshouts.esp=1 shouts.esp=1 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp=1 SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp=1 SkyRe_SiC_Patch.esp=1 SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp=1 RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp=1 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp=1 WetandCold.esp=1 WetandCold - Ashes.esp=1 WetandCold - Holidays.esp=1 Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp=1 Inigo.esp=1 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1 BetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.esp=1 Immersive Weapons.esp=1 SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp=1 Rebirth Monster.esp=1 Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp=1 WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp=1 Unique Uniques.esp=1 AOS2_SkyRe Patch.esp=1 Unique Unique's_Skyre Patch.esp=1 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1 Cloaks.esp=1 Ket_ARMONIZER_LListsNPC.esp=1 OBISDB.esp=1 SkyRe_EnemyScaling_Fix.esp=1 1nivWICCloaks.esp=1 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp=1 Point The Way.esp=1 SMIM-Merged-All.esp=1 HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp=1 LCJarofIvarsteadExpansionGirlsPack.esp=1 SexLab Romance.esp=1 JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp=1 Merged Weapons.esp=1 Colorful_Magic.esp=1 GDZZJJDH.esp=1 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1 WeaponsArmorFixes_ambSkyforge_Patch.esp=1 BetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.esp=1 AOS2_GDO Patch.esp=1 Merged Armor.esp=1 SkyRe_StandingStones.esp=1 LostLongSwords.esp=1 SkyRe_LostLongSwords.esp=1 Chesko_Frostfall.esp=1 BatTravel.esp=1 SkyRe_Races.esp=1 Krisan's Eyes.esp=1 Predator Vision.esp=1 TTYM - Frostfall Module.esp=1 Vampirelordroyal.esp=1 UnblockActivateNoWereNoMap.esp=1 LoversComfort.esp=1 SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp=1 purewaters.esp=1 CampingKitNorthernRanger.esp=1 SexLabDangerousNights.esp=1 DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp=1 AOS2_DCOd Patch.esp=1 The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp=1 SexLabDefeat.esp=1 HoldBorderBanners.esp=1 Lanterns Of Skyrim - AIO - Dawnguard.esp=1 Run For Your Lives.esp=1 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp=1 WerewolfAftermathEquipper.esp=1 BetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightPatch.esp=1 SkyRe_Races_Fix.esp=1 iNeed.esp=1 FNISspells.esp=1 SkyRe_Combat.esp=1 vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp=1 ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp=1 ForgottenMagic_Redone_SkyRePatch.esp=1 Knight Of Thorns Armor.esp=0 SkyRe_StandingStones_Fix.esp=1 dovahkiinrelax.esp=1 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1 NormalVampireFaces.esp=1 SkyRe_Survivalism.esp=1 BVandRB_Formlist.esp=1 When Vampires Attack.esp=1 WyldMenuPlugFemale.esp=1 WyldMenuPlugMale.esp=1 Pre ReProccer WAFR IA7 IW UU Patch.esp=1 The Staff Machine.esp=1 Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp=1 ReProccer.esp=1 Post ReProccer Fixes IA7 IW UU Patch.esp=1 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp=1 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp=1 warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp=1
Taskmaster Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 Does your game even run well? That looks out of control. How many of those mods do you actually use?
germanicus Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 if you will merge then using Tes5edit, you will save some space.
Rayblue Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 150-175 mods is acceptable, but seems that if you go over 254 mods active, instability problems will come out.
germanicus Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 Quote from Billy Mailman: The absolute upper-limit is 253 total mods (some experts says -255). This only counts certain types of mods, though; specifically, ones that add a .esm or .esp file so they can change actual data in-game (i.e. not mods that simply change models or textures). This also does include the expansions, and any such mods downloaded through Steamworks rather than Nexus. The reason for the limit is that Skyrim (and other Bethsoft games) uses an internal code (the Form IDs) for everything added by a mod. The first two hex digits indicate where this thing came from, with 00 being the base game, 01 being official patches to the base game, and FF being reserved for items created by player interaction (custom potions, items dropped in-world, summoned NPC refIDs, etc). This leaves only 253 prefixes for other mods, before the game simply cannot load up items from the mod. Note, of course, that any given collection of 253 mods is likely to be impossible to run together anyway for reasons of mod conflicts or of your computer simply being unable to handle them all. 253 is just the absolute theoretical upper limit.
saizetsu Posted September 17, 2014 Author Posted September 17, 2014 Actually I run at 198 mods currently, I started merging the hairs, weapons and armors. though the reproc and DSR hate me when I merge some like lost longswords into my merged weapons it claims to be missing masters. been wondering if i need the dsr and reproc stuff tbh. And yes surprisingly my game runs stable. I would like to merge more but the merge topic I've looked at doesn't cover some of the mods i have so I get iffy and don't want to take a chance with breaking things and having to restore. Skyre makes it hard to merge some mods because they don't have proper stats without some of the patches... but i can merge the things like lostlongswords skyre patch into the same merged file as lost longswords yeah? It is difficult to merge things together that have MCMs' since I have to seperate their scripts. but is it possible to say merge all the fixes/patches together? save for those unofficial patches by arthmoor.
Taskmaster Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 The only things I'd consider merging personally are armors. Anything with scripts I wouldn't touch. Interestingly, you have less active plugins than I do. I 100% recommend creating a Bashed Patch with Wyre Bash. There might be some plugins you can uncheck and will merge into that patch and give you more room to work with. Those Bethesda Hi-Res textures, don't need the esp... at least I don't think so, my system can't handle it so I never installed them.
saizetsu Posted September 17, 2014 Author Posted September 17, 2014 Well I can probably take out the Hi-res beth textures at this point since I've got the whole game(I believe) filled with custom textures and meshes for everything. Well I've been iffy on a bashed patch I'e heard its pointless and that it is good so I've stayed undecided and everytime I deactivate mods in place of merged/bashed patches my reproccer and dsr patcher freak out and want me to either reactivate the mods or remove other patches that need the mods activated. I've had some issues with two sets of the same sword mainly from lost long swords popping up where one set is weaker than others. perhaps I shuold merge all the weapon patches/fixes into one patch. But again I'm not sure if such fixes have scripts running.
Taskmaster Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 I don't know who told you Bashed Patches from Wyre Bash are useless... far from it. The bashed patch itself already takes care of a number of quality of life mods built in. You can adjust crime rates, timescale, arrow pick up, arrow speed, follower #s, summoning #s, active NPCs in a cell, just to name a few. And then, the leveled lists is one of the biggest, as some mods that add items and creatures/NPCs into the world need to be merged together so all of them appear like they should. Otherwise, a particular mod could overwrite another's leveled list - where certain weapons/armor or NPCs should be spawning into your world, don't in place of another mod that's loaded after it and changes the same lists. The bash brings them all into the game instead of only the one lower in the load order.
saizetsu Posted September 17, 2014 Author Posted September 17, 2014 also it looks like I can merge all the modules of skyre into a single merged esp as well. they don't have bsa files so the scripts must already be in the scripts folder. im going to head on with merging the weapons remade and well all but immersive weapons/armors into esps as well looks like unique uniques is fine to merge as well. hope nothing borks on me i hate spending the hours to fix issues. and actually while I'm at it, should I pull the mods esp files out of the back ups area in order to make a new merged weapons/armor/etc or can i just merge it with the merged weapon/etc?
Taskmaster Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 Well, you could just make backups of all the esps, merge them and see if your game plays well. If it doesn't, then just fall back on the backups. I've never merged esps with tes5edit or anything, never had to. Almost everytime I get 200+ esps, there's bound to be at least 10-15 I absolutely don't need or have yet to even use on a specific playthrough.
27X Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 skyre not necessarily. All script based action and logic files that directly refer to SkyRe, yes. Anything with externally sourced metadata (weapons, armors, races, especially those with their own scripts like modded Dawnbreaker or custom spells and the like )actually needs to be outside SkyRe and lower in the load order unless you're going to make a bashed patch. *metadata refers to semipermanent data that will change but stay in a consistently referred-to field or record through external or internal means (leveling, smithing, enchanting, quest item that transforms, etc etc etc)
saizetsu Posted September 18, 2014 Author Posted September 18, 2014 well skyre isn't wise to merge all it's parts into one it... freaked out and blew up my game. It didn't CTD so much as lock up the game and keep it locked on screen until i killed the process. alas eyes don't merge well those are selectable and all but don't change the eyes you are stuck with skyrim esm eye files. but since i've been merging plugins my fps has increased beyond what was normal for it in populated areas and I'm no longer getting scripting engine is running to slowly messages from frostfall. but now im stumped I'm down to 180 mods but not sure which ones I can merge together beyond this.
trekeyus Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 im so glad I took the time to migrate away from nmm and migrated to mo as mo lets me handle some of the texture replacers etc without bloating my plugins list. Im currently running with 77ish active plugins in my list.
saizetsu Posted September 18, 2014 Author Posted September 18, 2014 I don't have the time nor soon internet to learn MO. So I'm trying to stabilize my game before I lose my precious internet. Else I am stuck with a broken game to play =[
Taskmaster Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Learning MO will save you time later down the road if you're going to continue modding Skyrim.
Veladarius Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 I run a large number of mods, usually around 250 esp/esm's with minimal issues though I tend to stay away from mods with a heavy amount of scripts that run constantly. You can merge most armors, weapons, hairs and other beauty mods just test ones with scripts to make sure they still work and don't cause errors. I have merged a number of hair packs as well as individual armor and weapons into sets to leave more space for other mods. Wrye Bash and the bashed patch is most useful for combining leveled lists from mods or merge mods that are just leveled list edits into the bashed patch so they don't overwrite each other.
fangdowns Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 I keep 2 load orders, pre-sexlab and post sexlab install. The former consists of some 210 mods and the other very close to the limit. I can say that my game is pretty stable around 16~20 FPS. And my graphic driver really sucks. Here is my pre-sexlab. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Dawnguard.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp HearthFires.esm Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Falskaar.esm TCRA.esm ClimatesOfTamriel.esm SGHairPackBase.esm ApachiiHairFemales.esm AsharaMerchantNPC.esm Evil Lair of Hydra.esm AOM.esm JSwords.esm ApachiiHair.esm hdtHighHeel.esm RSkyrimChildren.esm SMSkyrim.esp SPIKE.esm TERAArmors.esm WinterholdDestruction.esm SkyMoMod.esm Deus Mons.esm SleepingTreeSanctuary.esm Inn Girls Resources.esm moonpath.esm Wyrmstooth.esm LevelersTower.esm ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp Convenient Horses.esp CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp FollowerCompatibility.esp Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp ImmersiveFP.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp HDT System Tera BOOTS.esp Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp FNISSexyMove.esp Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp CoT-WeatherPatch.esp Ghosu - Weapon Pack 1.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp ELFX - Dragonborn.esp RaceMenu.esp MillerNiaScorpionBlkroseScarletDawnSchwertAlynshirLatexSexyvestMisogi2.esp Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp SkyUI.esp AchieveThat.esp Kate - AnimPack SeveNBase.esp BBP_ArmorPack2.esp ELFX - Exteriors.esp ELFX - Dawnguard.esp SkyRe_Main.esp 3DNPC.esp Immersive Poisons.esp Monster Wars.esp Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp CCOR_SkyRe_Patch.esp Bucklers-Complete.esp Lore Weapon Expansion.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp SGHairPackAIO.esp ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp DarkbroSanctuary.esp Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp FS_UltimateAssortment.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp ELFXEnhancer.esp Helgen Reborn.esp Deus Mons_WithNPCs.esp LC_BecomeJarlofIvarstead.esp Skymomod+beasts.esp SkyHavenTempleEnhanced.esp Skymo-Dawn.esp SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dawnguard.esp SMIM-DragonbornTernFix.esp SMIM-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp UFO - Dragonborn AddOn.esp ultimateodahviing.esp Undeath.esp SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp Civil War Overhaul.esp Immersive Wenches.esp Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp sjel blad castle.esp w2salem.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp Immersive Weapons.esp WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp SkyTEST Integration Patches.esp CCOR_IW_Patch.esp Unique Uniques.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp MoonAndStar_MAS.esp TheEvilMansionDE.esp SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp DA_Skyship.esp AOM.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp CCOR_IA7_Patch.esp Tera Armor Level List.esp EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp Better Vampires.esp Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp BellyachesNewDragonSpecies_TougherFactionlessDragons.esp BTRH_Tomoe.esp RSChildren_CompleteUSKP.esp CCO_SIC_Patch.esp SkyRe_SiC_Patch.esp TheFrontier.esp Inconsequential NPCs.esp Cloaks.esp DragonmournInn.esp UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp TheDomain.esp AdalMatar.esp Enchanting Freedom.esp SkyRe_Dreamcloth.esp moonpath_questdata.esp Immersive Patrols II.esp ELFX - Moonpath.esp JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp SMSkyrim - Inconsequential NPCs Patch.esp Sara.esp Tame Beast.esp CerwidenCompanion.esp DeadlyDragons.esp Marriable Serana.esp UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp Seductress Elizabeth.esp Marriable Serana HF.esp Crossbows_Basic_Collection_EN_LL.esp Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dragonborn.esp zMirai.esp BBP_ArmorPack.esp Falskaar Undeath Deadly Dragons SkyRe Patch.esp Aurora - Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp Vampirelordroyal.esp SofiaFollower.esp SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp HallsOfDovahndor.esp MzarkWonders.esp BVandRB_Formlist.esp kasumifollower.esp UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp BAMM.esp AV1Dragon_Lords.esp DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp Magic of the Magna-Ge.esp Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves.esp SMSkyrim - 3DNPC Patch.esp Arachnophobia.esp Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp ESFCompanions.esp SBF All In One + DLC.esp Kate.esp ESFAela.esp BTRH_PrivateSquad.esp MBWSAhly.esp MBWSFollowerAll.esp AsharaRomanticOutfit.esp BTRHF_PS_Able.esp Dwemer Certified.esp Skyre_Dwemer Certified.esp DragonBornCircletsWithCrown.esp Seductress Serana.esp j3x-autocrossbows.esp Davjes_SorceressArmorHHS.esp SkyRe_Combat.esp DanarielStormbow.esp vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp BrynhildrFollower.esp Kamille.esp OCR-Fixes.esp rk_Followers.esp sophitiafollower.esp Rebirth Monster.esp ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp momijifollower.esp Enaision Skre+wyrmtooth Patch +IS Compendium Skyre + SM Prettyface + Forgotten magic SkyRe.esp ultimatedurnehviir.esp XN_Lili.esp Lilium_Companion.esp Chaconne.esp Sabrina.esp MindiFollower.esp c35Silmeriagirl002.esp FollowerEmily.esp zzTmBallGown.esp Resplendent - The Races Package.esp Moonlight_Vilja.esp Brawl Bugs CE.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp SMSkyrim - Alternate Start Patch.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp Pre Automatic Variants ST IC Patch.esp Pre ReProccer UU IW IA Patch.esp Pre ReProccer WAFR IA7 IW UU Patch.esp Automatic Variants.esp ReProccer.esp qotsafans patches.esp Post ReProccer Fixes CCOR IA7 IW UU Patch.esp qotsafans LeveledLists Patch.esp Leveledlist Extension + qotsa Ingestibles + Skyre Destruction Atronach 50.esp I use a lot of TESVEdit merged patches(on armor mods & patches mostly). I also use a loooot of paging files and realvision enb. Oh, and Rebirth monster could come later in the load order I guess. After SkyRe AI package. You'll notice the difference when Dragon Priests are whopping ass like there's no tomorrow.
saizetsu Posted September 19, 2014 Author Posted September 19, 2014 Well as I said, I lose internet... tomorrow actually so I do't have time to learn MO. Living in the backwater country.
Rayblue Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Mod_Organizer Make a copy and save every page of it.
saizetsu Posted September 19, 2014 Author Posted September 19, 2014 Yes a brilliant idea, up until I break it and have no way to ask anyone for help from here or elsewhere D: I likely won't have web again for nearly half a year maybe more.
Alpia Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 I have 331 mods installed and I luv :3 every single one of them I merged most of my armors in one file to get to 253 mods and skyrim works flawless. So there is no to many mods Skyrim is like a trash can if its full you just have to push harder to squeeze more stuff in Linked my loadorder the mods which are disabled are merged I just left the data inside skyrim since it dosen't cause any problems so 253 active plugins 331 Installed diffrence is merged in Merged_Armor_Ultimate.esp and contains mostly armors. I don't like mod organizer also before anyone comes up with it I don't see the point of messing my whole skyrim up just for diffrent lists what mods I want to load this time. I either load the mods or deinstall it I have no mods I would say no this time I don't need this and that and disable it I either use them or not no need for MO I really don't get the hype about that thing. 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Ultimate Edition.esp=0TS_ECatsuit&Ballet.esp=1UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp=1SexLab-Stories.esp=1DeviousRegulations.esp=1BTRH_Waifu.esp=1ShakeIt.esp=1ZazResources.esp=1Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp=0MHBLydia.esp=1Vampire Eyes Fix.esp=1VioLens.esp=1xazBondage.esp=1dd-sd1-compatibility-patch.esp=1xazPrisonOverhaul.esp=1Immersive Patrols II.esp=1DeviousTraps.esp=1SFO - Dragonborn.esp=1SMIM-ShackRoofFixesDragonborn.esp=1Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1Grass_On_Steroids_SFO-SHORT.esp=0SMIM-ShackRoofFixes.esp=1BBLuxurySuiteExt.esp=1SkyRe_StandingStones.esp=1Merged_Armor_Ultimate.esp=1BBLSVisitors.esp=1Bandit Patrols.esp=1ArachnaphobiaExpansion.esp=1fox22 Armor.esp=0EliteRogueArmour.esp=0fox24 Armor.esp=0fox25 Armor.esp=0fox26 Armor.esp=0fox28 Armor.esp=0fox38 Armor.esp=0fox32 Armor.esp=0LightBladesArmor.esp=0HentaiCasualKarliah.esp=0KERESECollection.esp=0PersonalFollower.esp=1Cassandra Armor.esp=1ShellBondage - Bombshell.esp=0royal_daedric.esp=1Samus Suit.esp=0Shocky's Latex Outfit.esp=0WestWindAssault.esp=0SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp=1paradise_halls_fellglow_slave_camp.esp=1SlaversGuild.esp=1BBLuxurySuiteClassierDisplayRoom.esp=1Sweet&Sexy Lingerie.esp=1SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp=1SexLabDefeat.esp=1KFollowers.esp=1Devious Cidhna.esp=1BBLSHousecarlsmovein.esp=1BBLSspouse.esp=1BBLSmusic.esp=1Aradia Living Parasite Armor.esp=1qayl.esp=1Devious Deviants.esp=1HeroineDistress.esp=1bestrape.esp=1BTRH_PrivateSquad.esp=1My Own Prison.esp=1Davjes_SorceressArmorHHS.esp=0Darklilith.esp=0runesword stormbringer.esp=1Beauties of Skyrim.esp=1paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp=1SkyRe_Combat.esp=1Blades Hakama.esp=0My Home Is Your Home.esp=1SummerRobeNM.esp=1Mannequin.esp=1Neo's Selene.esp=0NewDrapedDress1.esp=1SPQ_Gallery - Collectors Home.esp=1daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp=1linglingsclothes.esp=1MF_RadiantProstitution.esp=1Radiant-SchlongsPatch.esp=1NewmCBBELO1.esp=0Zt_followers.esp=1Tamaria.esp=1mslDeviousCaptures.esp=1SlaverunEnforcer.esp=1Kawaii Followers RE.esp=1Lightning follower.esp=1Sabrina.esp=1R18pn - lingerie Set.esp=0More shiny catsuits.esp=1R18pn - Shanoa Armors.esp=0Gwelda Armor Pack.esp=1R18Pn - Inner Wear Set.esp=0Shiny Catsuits.esp=1Bob's Boots CBBE v8.0.esp=1DanarielStormbow.esp=0Bob's Boots CBBE v8.2.esp=1Bob's Boots CBBE v8.3.esp=1DonMichHeels.esp=1FNISspells.esp=1Ursine Armor Pack.esp=0SexLabDangerousNights.esp=1Sinestra.esp=1Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp=1TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1mmbedroll1.esp=1XXfenghuaZMHH.esp=0yurica_slayer [HDT].esp=0zarias_restraints.esp=1Zipsuit.esp=0zzEstrus.esp=1Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1Alternate Start - Live A Deviant Life.esp=1Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1ReProccer.esp=1Post Reproccer ScopedBows Patch.esp=1 Edit: Even I'm sure that I could delete 30% of my mods since I don't use them, but why should I if everything works fine thats how I see it. Guess I'm a hoarder when it comes to mods. Also I'm quite sure its impossible to life without internet learning MO also saves nothing there is absolutly no need for it even if I save 5min. when I have to deinstall something I don't care.
Veladarius Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 Really the things that will limit how many mods you can run depends on the mods you have running and your game settings. Here are the things I looked at when I set my game up: Settings: I turned off things like AA and such, good textures greatly reduce the need for this. Shadows can cause slowdowns as well, if everything is shadowed it will hit performance. Textures: Use texture sized to suit your system, 4k textures are nice but most can't handle them for regular play. I use 1-2k for body and armors, 1k for landscape (possible smaller for some lod textures) ENB: you can shut off Ambient Occlusion and DoF to reduce the graphics load and speed things up. Scripts and Papyrus: First, make sure that you don't have constantly repeating errors in your logs, you may have to get rid of some mods if they are not set up correctly. Second is watch the number of mods that have scripts running and making adjustments to things every few seconds. There is a limit on how much papyrus can handle, if it gets overloaded it will start throwing away script processes that are waiting to be run. Currently I run about 250 esp/esm's (including a number of sexlab mods), my resolution is 1920 x 1200 and I use an ENB and HDT Physics on an older i5 and AMD 7850 and get 40-60 fps indoors and out.
saphiral Posted September 21, 2014 Posted September 21, 2014 Can someone provide a link to a tutorial to merge .esps into a new one (like what ChasmX said s/he did for Merged_Armor_Ultimate.esp)? I run a STEP install with many of the SexLab mods. I would love to see/create a STEP pack for SexLab step of instructions, but that's a wishlist. Right now I just want to combine my custom bodyslide BBP/TBBP armors into a single .esp and cut about 20 individual .esps out of my loadorder.
Alpia Posted September 21, 2014 Posted September 21, 2014 There you go mate http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Merging_Plugins read it carefully you can't merge everything and allways backup your stuff, but thats described in the tutorial anyway.
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