CTD in sewers

[Demonwise]

Ok, I'm going to post this here in hopes that someone may find a means of helping me save all the time it will take to debug this problem one mod at a time. The problem is that currently more often than not when I enter the underground sewers I can play for 30 sec - 1 min before the game CTDs. I believe that this occurs in most situations when I am in the 'sewers' setting. Ok yeah pretty vague. Well this is all I have to go on for right now. Actually I am dealing with pretty much a fresh installation of New Vegas and the save I'm using is pretty new as well so I don't know if it is a script or not that is causing it. I have a few 'quest' and 'new lands' mods installed. I suppose if any of those changed assets for the sewers that the game uses, that could cause the issue. I also have the Monster Mod installed and IWS which is being used to increase the spawn rate. So my other theory is that there are too many instances of ghouls, zombies and other critters being spawned underground and that is causing the problem. But again this is only happening with the sewers and not in, say, cave systems or vaults. Least, not so far that I have noticed. 

 

Well I'll post my load order and start trying to debug this on my own. As I said I'm posting this in the hopes that perhaps someone else has run into this problem before with the mods that I got running and knows the answer and save me some time.  Thanks in advance for any help!

 

Load Order:

 

 

FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

GunRunnersArsenal.esm

ClassicPack.esm

MercenaryPack.esm

TribalPack.esm

CaravanPack.esm

IWS-Core.esm

CFWNV.esm

Momod.esm

More Perks.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

Sexout.esm

SexoutCommonResources.esm

SexoutSlavery.esm

SexoutLegion.esm

Lings.esm

MikotoBeauty.esm

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

NVWillow.esp

NCR CF - Sexout.esp

SexoutPregnancyV3.esm

SexoutOffSpring.esm

CASM.esp

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

A Better Cass.esp

A Better Veronica.esp

Monster Mod Wasteland Edition.esp

Dalls_Birds_Nest.esp

Improved Sound FX.esp

Improved Sound FX - Weapon Sharing Fix.esp

Improved Sound FX - DM.esp

Improved Sound FX - HH.esp

Improved Sound FX - HH Sharing Fix.esp

Improved Sound FX - OWB Sharing Fix.esp

Improved Sound FX - LR Sharing Fix.esp

Improved Sound FX - GRA.esp

More Perks Update.esp

Animated Prostitution.esp

IWS-Core-Patrols.esp

IWS-Core-Guards.esp

IWS-Core-Civilians.esp

IWS-DM.esp

IWS-HH.esp

IWS-OWB.esp

IWS-LR.esp

CFW-DLC.esp

BodyJewelry.esp

bzArmour.esp

bzBodySuits.esp

My Cloth Collection NV.esp

OCD-Cass outfits.esp

Body by Race.esp     (lol this mod ain't working either, I'm trying to figure that out as well)

LingsPrettyThings.esp

SunnyCompanion.esp

UnlimitedCompanions.esp

MoonShadowRace.esp

MojaveDelight.esp

MikotoBeauty.esp

SmallerTalk.esp

SexoutWillow.esp

SexoutRapist.esp

SexoutRapeGame.esp

SexoutBreeder.esp

delilah.esp

SexoutWorkingGirl.esp

SexoutPowderGangers.esp

SexoutFiends.esp

SexoutSoliciting.esp

SexoutNCR.esp

SexoutKings.esp

Kaw'sBodyJewelryExpanded.esp

SexoutSexAssault.esp

My Cloth Collection NV Conversion Expansion.esp

MojaveDelighted.esp

Unique Raider Bodies.esp

SexoutSex.esp

sleep_on_back_sexy.esp

Omegared99 - Enb Transparency Fix.esp

Modified Weapons.esp   (my own mod, altering just some of the basic stats of some weapons, shouldn't conflict)

SexoutKhans.esp

SexoutZAZ.esp

Sexout- CES.esp

SexoutStraponSex.esp

SexoutClothingEval.esp

My Custom Willow.esp    (a custom appearance mod of my own shouldn't conflict with anything)

 

Total active plugins: 92

Total plugins: 97

[nyaalich]

Body by Race has been known to have issues with Sexout.

 

Since you don't have AWOP installed, the only sewer that I can think of is the one in North Vegas.

[nyaalich]

Do you have the New Vegas Anti-Crash NVSE plug-in installed?  That's just good to have in general.

[RitualClarity]

nyaalich is correct. Body by Race has been known to have problems however you also have various other body mods at the same time. This might not be the problem but without a bashed patch it might still give you problems in the future.

 

I don't see any sewer mods or mods that can effect sewers as far as I can tell. However that don't mean that a modder didn't have a dirty edit or changed some feature in the sewer that causes your problem.

 

The main thing I would tell you is to open up FNVedit and see if there are any issues that you can see ( overrides or conflicts) if you can and focus on anything in that area of the sewer etc. This solution vs removing mod after mod requires a fair amount of experience and patience using FNVedit.

 

Now .. I would if I were you .. remove all the body mods. Create a clean save.. then or during the process verify the game cache just in case some corruption occurred with the main game files. Then check again. If it works great you can start to add the bodies back. If it don't you ruled out many possible conflicts in one check. If you don't want to do the FNVedit check ( or can't ) re-read the mods you are using. ( specifically those not SExout or hosted here ) and see if there are any edits or comment or use of Sewers in them.

[Demonwise]

Hey, thanks for the prompt replies. Yeah I know body by race is, uh, buggy with sexout. Actually right now body by race isn't even working and I'm not seeing any problems with sexout so far so I will leave it alone. Actually I think I found the problem. As I said I have momod and IWS increasing the spawn rates. Well low and behold I had the settings at 100 instances maximum and the ghoul rampage settings at 5x. Lol, I can't imagine the engine was liking trying spawn and deal with hundreds of rampaging ghouls in the sewers. Once I loaded a savegame pre-sewer entry and turned off the IWS settings and starting using a cell buffer purge mod I noticed no problems in the sewers. Some lag sure, but no ctds. So note to self, DON'T SUMMON WORLD WAR Z IN THE SEWER, IT CAUSES A TEAR IN THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM. 

 

I'm going to keep testing this and see if this really is the problem solver, when I'm sure I will mark this thread as 'solved'.

[RitualClarity]

Tears in the space time continuum is a bad thing. Take it from me  ( the alien LOL)

 

I am not familiar with the increasing spawn rates however NPCs can and have caused massive problems with Game engine in the past when too many have been placed in the game.

If you played the original first released unpatched FNV version you would have three more Powder gangers in Primm. Two along the side where there are the shacks and one more in the broken building. These were removed because of issues and stability .. This was only three NPCs. With those settings in such a small place you would / could have literal "floods" of NPCs running at you.

 

That combined with what I believe isn't' a very optimized cell could be the issues. Excellent catch. Will file that mod away in my giant green head for future references in tech support.

[A.J.]

Yes spawn mods always increased instability for me too. I solved every problem of CTDs when I stopped installing them. The only one that seems pretty stable in my NV is Monster Wars, I barely crash with it on

[nyaalich]

Hmm.  I don't remember ghouls in Rampage.

 

 

 

I fucking love Rampage!  X D  Yes, yes.  I know.  Arcade game first.

 

 

 

[RitualClarity]

Hmm.  I don't remember ghouls in Rampage.

 

 

 

I fucking love Rampage!  X D  Yes, yes.  I know.  Arcade game first.

 

 

 

 

 

 

They were in the DLC