ErikModi Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Came back to Fallout 4 after some time away, finished up my old game, decided to start a new one. Tried a few new mods, decided I didn't like them and restarted a new game. But I'm having a few issues. One: Mama Murphy, and apparently only Mama Murphy, has the "wing physics" bug, where her boobs and butt are fixed points relative to her body, so deform like wings when she sits. Since she spends most of her time sitting, this is a problem I'd like to fix. Two: Downloaded the EasyGirl outfits, but they have no physics. I went searching for an OCBPC patch, couldn't find one, and the comments thread for the mod says it's not necessary, OCBP/OCBPC makes "magic happen" and it works. Is this correct, or is there a patch I need, and can anyone point me to it? I use Mod Organizer 2, and tried reinstalling the ZeX skeleton, OCBPC and the MTM preset, as well as rebuilding outfits and bodies in BodySlide. Any assistance anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated, thank you for your time.
Erebea Posted January 22 Posted January 22 It is correct that OCBP/OCBPC will work on cbbe/3bbb/fusion girl bodies as well as armour and clothing mods, if installed correctly, without any patch. I use a 3bbb body with discrete female skeleton, and have never had to use a OCBP/OCBPC patch for any armour or clothing mod.
ErikModi Posted January 22 Author Posted January 22 So. . . what's the step I'm missing between installing the outfit mod, building the outfits in BodySlide, and having them in-game with physics? Sorry if I'm missing something blatantly obvious, it's been awhile and I don't remember all the F4 modding tricks.
Erebea Posted January 22 Posted January 22 While naked, does your character's body have physics? Is it just the easy girl mod, or is it all clothes and armour? Could you post an image of Mama Murphy while she is sitting, as I'm not sure what you mean by "wing physics." Also, posting your modlist in a spoiler could be useful too. How I believe using OCBP/OCBPC should work is through F4SE, rather then the meshes like earlier Fallout 4 physics mods. So I don't think you need to build the body, armour or clothing in bodyslide with physics.
ErikModi Posted January 22 Author Posted January 22 1: Yes. 2: Not just EasyGirl, but I think at least one other clothing mod I've installed or reinstalled since coming back. 3: I'll try and nab those at some point, but the physics bug I'm talking about is, if I recall, pretty common if you mess up the physics installation, though I forget the specifics, and as I recall it affects everyone, not just one person. I do remember having to deal with it when I first started playing and modding Fallout 4, and had to go step-by-step through at least one guide to get it resolved. I don't remember which one or where, and I seem to remember following one guide that caused the problem, then another that fixed it, though it required redoing everything from the ground up (something I'd like to avoid, if at all possible). What basically happens is the parts affected by physics act as though they're fixed in space, which just looks a tad strange while walking around, but running, jumping, sitting, or anything else that causes very rapid changes causes those parts to stretch between where they are and where the body is. So, for instance, sitting causes the boobs to be stretched between standing chest height and sitting chest height. 4: Well, building them to fit the body I've also made in BodySlide, but yeah, I seem to recall it "just working" previously.
Erebea Posted January 22 Posted January 22 If your character has physics then we can rule out a skeleton issues. So it isn't all of them? Could just be a problem with those particular mods? What body mod are you using? As you mentioned Mama Murphy, is it her Fallout 4 clothes causing the issues, or has her outfit been replaced with modded clothes? When was previously? What version of Fallout 4 are you using, and are all your mods for that version of Fallout 4?
ErikModi Posted January 23 Author Posted January 23 Body mod is CBBE. I have another mod to resize clothes to fit custom bodies. Previously was. . . last summer, I think? The version is 1.10.163, the last mod-stable one, as I understand it. Using the Downgrader to get it there.
Erebea Posted January 23 Posted January 23 163 is prior to the next-gen update and is the better version for modded Fallout 4 currently. Seeing as you are using cbbe, you are using discrete female skeleton, and have followed the instructions? The ZeX - ZaZ skeleton is for fusion girl and body talk (a male body) and not cbbe.
ErikModi Posted January 23 Author Posted January 23 I'll double check things. Here's the Mama Murphy screenshots you wanted, along with a comparison with Marcy Long.
ErikModi Posted January 23 Author Posted January 23 I do not have Fusion Girl (I seem to remember experimenting with that and not liking it for reasons lost to the mists of old brain). I do have CBBE and CBBE (Reduced), Body Talk, CBBE 3BBB Body, Skeletal Adjustments for CBBE, and Discrete Female Skeleton -- Looks Menu Customization Compendium. I'm not sure of a way to export my modlist in MO2 into an easy copy/paste format, and I'm just not going to type in the whole thing. I do really appreciate your help so far, thank you very much!
Erebea Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) Looking at the screen shots, I have no idea why Mama Murphy's outfit is acting like that, while Marcy's is fine. The only suggestion I have is see if you can find something in bodyslide by the name of beaded blazer, as that is the name of the outfit. Failing that try finding a mesh file (.nif) within the MO2 installed files, and removing it. I have 3bbb and I cannot find anything related to the beaded blazer, so I'm at a loss as to how this is happening to the outfit. I don't think I'm going to need your load order, as you seem to have all the requirements. Try reinstalling the 3bbb versions of the armour and clothing mods that are giving you issues, and see if that changes anything. If not, you might have to consider disabling and removing those mods when you start a new save. You're welcome! Edited January 23 by Erebea
Erebea Posted January 24 Posted January 24 No, OCBPC will work with any version of cbbe, which includes 3bbb. As you said you have 3bbb installed, it is the body you use? So I thought you would want armour and clothing mods to make use to 3bbb and it's improved physics. You can use cbbe armour and clothing with a 3bbb body, the physics will be slightly different on the armour and clothing.
ErikModi Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 Well, I wasn't able to find anything "beaded" in Bodyslide or MO2, but I'm not sure I searched thoroughly, because clearly there is some mod or other affecting this. Downloading a 3BBB EasyGirl addon added physics to those, so thank you.
Erebea Posted January 24 Posted January 24 That is what I had expected, I checked my own bodyslide and wasn't able to find the blazer either. During all the years I've played modded Fallout 4, not once have I had that issue with Mama Murphy's outfit. I don't think regular cbbe or 3bbb include bodyslide for the blazer, because it is unique to Mama Murphy and the only vanilla way to get it, is to give her all the drugs. I've never done that, and maybe most others don't either? You might just have to settle for her outfit being weird if you can't find what is doing it. Awesome, it's great that at least one of your issues have been resolved!
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